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20 February 2018

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49 Comments

  1. Corky

     /  February 20, 2018

    Tried a Samsung tablet last night. Took one look at the virtual keypad and chucked it away.
    No generational change for me. Old school is best…and readable.

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  February 20, 2018

      I hope that you didn’t literally throw it away,

  2. sorethumb

     /  February 20, 2018

    Golriz “in the context of prosecuting war criminals ” there were too many white older men [5:00]

    • sorethumb

       /  February 20, 2018

      16:00. Be honest Christchurch too white for Mai Chen.

  3. Gezza

     /  February 20, 2018

    REMINDER

    Question Time: The Trevor Show – on today on Parliament TV at 2pm, folks.

    He’ll likely have his hands full & be doing a lot of sighing today. 😬

    • Gezza

       /  February 20, 2018

      Trev managed QT with no hassles or dramas today. Pretty even-handed with both sides. Nothing of note came out of it for me.

      The Opposition got a bit excited over a few things but failed to score any hits of particular interest to Joe Public, imo. They’re stonkered, really, until the Budget comes out. They’ve got nothing of any substance yet to hit them over.

      There’s was no nauseous dribbling on by Government members about the Nat’s leadership contenders. There was none last Thursday either. Looks to me like Trev put his foot down after last Wednesday’s nonsense.

  4. robertguyton

     /  February 20, 2018

    “Mark Mitchell on the AM Show.

    Garner: “Have you killed anyone?”

    Mitchell: “um, look, when I’m asked this question I always say that in a war, um, there’s always casualties on both sides. I’d prefer to leave it at that, um, but I accept that people will be a bit curious about that”

    Garner: “So we can read between the lines is that what you’re saying?”

    Mitchell: “Year, well, you know, I operated and worked in a high risk environment””

    • Corky

       /  February 20, 2018

      What’s your point? Apart from wet drip liberals like you, who cares? What did you expect him to do? Build sandcastles?

      You haven’t been reading Nicky Hager, have you?

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  February 20, 2018

        A friend of my late husband was in the SAS and would certainly have killed people (men, of course) but I wouldn’t be impertinent enough to ask about this.

      • robertguyton

         /  February 20, 2018

        He’s angling to become Prime Minister of New Zealand. As New Zealanderts, have we the right to wonder (and ask), “Ever killed anyone, Prime Minister?” Jacinda would answer, “No!”. Mitchell, should he ever be PM, would answer, “I can’t confirm or deny…”
        Oh dear!

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  February 20, 2018

          Jacinda A wasn’t in the army as he appears to have been, it’s not the same thing at all. He is quite right to refuse to answer something that is confidential.

          • robertguyton

             /  February 20, 2018

            “something that is confidential”.
            What is “confidential”, Kitty?

        • sorethumb

           /  February 20, 2018

          Pacifism on the left didn’t extend to the Urewera terrorist training camps and the reason they got off lightly was because they were yet just a motley band.

          • PartisanZ

             /  February 20, 2018

            Rob Muldoon was asked a similar question in an interview once … I remember him saying “We’d always give a spray from the Tommy Gun when we entered a German bunker” …

            He was dead emotionally, which allowed him to first sanction the Springbok Tour – knowing full well what would happen – and then unleash and sick Ross Meurant’s Red Squad dogs onto his and their fellow citizens …

            Speaking of social policy ‘unrelated’ to economic policy … or was he appeasing the ‘Rugby’ Right while acting about as interventionist Lefty as humanly possible?

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  February 20, 2018

              The Germans did a lot worse. Geneva Convention be damned. We write our own rules.

              Duncan Garner could well be asking Mark Mitchell for confidential or classified information.

            • Corky

               /  February 20, 2018

              ”We’d always give a spray from the Tommy Gun when we entered a German bunker” …

              So would anyone with an ounce of common sense. That’s what soldiers are trained to do. What is it you Lefties don’t get about reality?

              You then extrapolate Robs wartime soldiering with his political decisions.

              ”He was dead emotionally, which allowed him to first sanction the Springbok Tour – knowing full well what would happen.”

              Yeah, so emotionally dead he was a socialist. One of yours. As commentators have mentioned, despite his many faults, Muldoon always cared about ordinary New Zealanders.

            • Blazer

               /  February 20, 2018

              @Corky…I thought the drill was to biff a couple of hand grenades in.

            • Kimbo

               /  February 20, 2018

              Pfft. Fighting against fascism helped cement Muldoon’s consistent and life long belief that in a democratic nation sports people should be free to compete against whomever they wanted. Was a policy he took to the country at the 1975 election, and also saw him insist that government signatories to the Gleneales Agreement only had to discourage, not stop sporting contacts with South Africa. And after the cancelled Hamilton game, he rightly insisted the tour continue to its conclusion as it had morphed from the issue of lawful protest against apartheid to standing firm against anarchy and lawlessness.

            • Blazer

               /  February 20, 2018

              so history proves ..Muldoon..was..wrong.

            • Kimbo

               /  February 20, 2018

              No history proved Muldoon right. And also that, countless victory laps by the likes of John Minto and patronising untruths by ANC politicians in the years since to the contrary, the protests of 1981 had little, if any effect on the evil edifice of apartheid.

            • Blazer

               /  February 20, 2018

              so apartheid still reigns in S.A..according to..you.

            • Kimbo

               /  February 20, 2018

              @ Blazer

              Sorry (no, not really) was that non sequitur and straw man directed at my last post?

            • Kimbo

               /  February 20, 2018

              The key event that led to the dismantling of apartheid was in 1989, the fall of the Berlin Wall. Whether the assumptions of the Nationalist government and white populace concerning the threat of international communism were sound or paranoia, it was not by accident that Nelson Mandela was released some two months later.

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  February 20, 2018

          People have a right to ask and he has a right to tell them it is none of their business. Maybe someone should ask him and Jacinda if they have ever saved someone’s life.

          • Blazer

             /  February 20, 2018

            what is the difference…in that being anyone elses business.?

          • robertguyton

             /  February 20, 2018

            “none of their business”
            Mitchell’s status as a killer of other humans, or not a killer of other humans is…not our business, given that he wants to be Prime Minister of the country someday???
            I’m seriously taken-aback by your ethical disconnect, Alan.
            W
            T
            F
            ?

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  February 20, 2018

              That doesn’t surprise me in the least, Robert. I’ve never noted any ethical awareness in you or your friends and you are continuing that behaviour.

            • Blazer

               /  February 20, 2018

              the tacit admission that he may have killed people,enhances his appeal..to many…most of the mercenaries main focus was on self preservation..highly likely he didn’t kill…anyone.

  5. Kitty Catkin

     /  February 20, 2018

    Doesn’t the official Michelle Obama portrait look like someone’s school art project ? She looks washed out, the dress print and proportions overwhelm her and it does her no favours at all. Barack Obama’s one is vibrant, in spite of the busy, fussy background. It would have been better to have them in the same style. Hers will look dated in a few years.

  6. Kitty Catkin

     /  February 20, 2018

    I was unimpressed that after a 20-25 minute walk in high heat and humidity, a long bus trip and another hot walk to a medical appointment, I was told that the person I was seeing had had to go home-from the sound of it to attend to her child. Great. I then had to do the journeys in reverse. Quite a few hours of my day were wasted and not in a pleasant way in this heat. I have better things to do with my time. .

    Mothers of small children really ought to ask themselves if they can do both things well. I bet that I wasn’t the only person who spent time and money on a fruitless errand.

    • Gezza

       /  February 20, 2018

      If my dentists can manage a text message rescheduling appointments I don’t know why doctors can’t.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  February 20, 2018

        There wouldn’t have been time, I was nearly there from the sound of it. I don’t know what was happening, but felt justified in being annoyed at playing second fiddle. How unprofessional.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  February 20, 2018

          To the PDT; I can’t quite see why you are downticking me for having my time wasted and spending time walking around in 30o+ and high humidity. But who knows how PDTs’ minds work ?

  7. lurcher1948

     /  February 20, 2018

    Did Bill English and [deleted incorrect name] get the same allowance,and what has changed, GREAT spinning from nationals spin king the host of the alt right blog called kiwiblog and its host David Farrar…
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/02/pm_and_deputy_pm_paid_accommodation_allowance_they_are_ineligible_for.html
    Touch of desperation here kiwiblog

    • chrism56

       /  February 20, 2018

      No Lurcher – it was people like you and Robert who criticized Bill for doing it. And you can’t even link to the original post.
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/101617009/jacinda-ardern-and-winston-peters-mistakenly-overpaid-21k-in-accommodation-allowance.
      Note they were advised of the error. They didn’t notice it. Now it is your lot doing it, where is your criticism, or is it different when the left do it?

      • Blazer

         /  February 20, 2018

        Ardern and Peters were blameless and recieved..an apology.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  February 20, 2018

          Bill English was, too, but it’s still been cast up at him as if he had done it on purpose rather than been given wrong information. As soon as he knew this, he paid it back.

          Why do you accept that they didn’t notice this large overpayment but not that the person who gave Bill English misleading information was at fault, and he wasn’t ?

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  February 20, 2018

            It’s a worry that Winston Peters is so unobservant about financial matters.

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  February 20, 2018

            Because B revels in being nasty.

            • Blazer

               /  February 20, 2018

              no one apologised to English,because he only repaid the money when he was…fingured…his excuse..’someone said it was..o.k.

            • robertguyton

               /  February 20, 2018

              But Bill’s a financial wizard, Right? How’d he miss the details of his housing arrangements? Basic stuff, for a wiz!

            • Gerrit

               /  February 20, 2018

              And forgetting that the Greens Turei and Delahunty committed the same “crime” and had to pay their money back as well..

            • chrism56

               /  February 20, 2018

              Gerrit
              You are forgetting the Phillida Bunkle and Marion Hobbs
              http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=173491
              They claimed accommodation allowances when their primary place of residence was Wellington.

            • Gerrit

               /  February 20, 2018

              Forgot about those Labour ladies. Jeez you think Ardern and Peters would know the rules by now.

              Politicians, forgetting the rules at least since 2001. Troughers the lot of them.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  February 21, 2018

              Rubbish. Try doing their hours and then tell me that. Any who went into it with that aim would be quickly disillusioned.