National caucus choose new leader today

The National MPs will choose a new leader today, and also a deputy leader.

This is done by secret caucus ballots – it is predicted that several votes may be required before one person has a clear majority.

That person not only becomes National Party leader, they will also become the Leader of the Opposition – a challenging role for a first term in opposition, especially with the media frenzy that seems to be getting worse over Jacinda Ardern and her personal life.

It will take time for whoever takes over to establish themselves and give the public a good idea of their aims and abilities – choosing a party leader is always a punt.

 

131 Comments

  1. Far too soon to call that.

    • David

       /  February 27, 2018

      Or beat Winston Peters, that political commentator should probably find a job they are more suited too.
      However if she keeps going with her National Lite neo liberal policy settings she should be OK.

    • PDB

       /  February 27, 2018

      National-lite already has a ‘leader’. Nothing worth worrying about unless the new govt actually tries to change anything.

      Their tax plans for the next election could be an issue for them – if economic times are still good people will wonder why their tax is going up and if times are bad taxpayers will feel like they are being punished further.

  2. It’s a possibility, but one of a number. It’s impossible to predict how the leader chosen today will do, but once they have chosen National would be nuts to not support them through to the election in 2020.

    Lesson from Labour – don’t keep choosing and ditching leaders.

    • PDB

       /  February 27, 2018

      And Cunliffe worked wonders for Labour….Cunliffe and Little are good examples of a wider party membership confusing what they like in a leader with what the public likes.

  3. Corky

     /  February 27, 2018

    This vote will be interesting given all candidates must be aware Collins is a firm favourite amongst the larger population. I agree with commentators who say she probably won’t get the job. But, when the polls start to tank, and a second term in opposition comes begging, you bet National will take a second look at Aunt Jude. This process is an example of how venal politics is.

    • “Collins is a firm favourite amongst the larger population”

      That’s highly debatable – I don’t think there has been a credible poll since all five candidates were known.

      And an earlier poll showed that while Collins had support she also had strong unfavourable ratings.

      • Corky

         /  February 27, 2018

        I’ll rephrase. All the polls I’ve seen, most of the commentators and talkback callers I’ve heard, all back Collins. Credible polls, or not.

        ‘And an earlier poll showed that while Collins had support she also had strong unfavourable ratings.”

        National are scared of the baggage Collins is lugging around, hence probably why she is not getting a look in. I think National need to remember, apart from fanatical Leftie bloggers, most folk can’t remember Collin’s transgressions. It’s more her personality that is off-putting to
        voters brought up in modern snowflake times.

        • Gezza

           /  February 27, 2018

          Your last line could be right so if she is elected she is likely to have only a very limited shelf life. Judes would be a polarising character. She always has been. People seem to either love her or hate her. So if National can’t get any media attention in opposition while the media remains besotted with Jacinda, Judith would probably be the best person to get them media attention.

        • “All the polls I’ve seen”

          The poll at Whale Oil? 80% support for Collins there seems a bit light.

          • Corky

             /  February 27, 2018

            That was one of them.

          • Griff

             /  February 27, 2018

            Collins has the support of most committed National voters.
            The election is won by convincing those in the middle to support your party not pandering to those at the extremes.
            Collins turns liberal swing voters off.

            • High Flying Duck

               /  February 27, 2018

              And yet she did relatively well among Labour & Green voters in the Horizon poll being a solid third choice for both (Adams was out front with Labour preferring Mark Mitchell at 2, and the Greens Simon Bridges)

              She certainly is not seen as a pariah on the left.

              https://www.horizonpoll.co.nz/page/495/poll-indica

        • PDB

           /  February 27, 2018

          3 of the 5 contenders have fairly low public profiles hence any leadership poll will more likely be an exercise in name recognition.

      • lurcher1948

         /  February 27, 2018

        Who’s this judith collins? just a pleb isn’t she…

  4. David

     /  February 27, 2018

    I dont think they have any other choice aside from Collins, perhaps Joyce with her as deputy but Bridges is not well liked as he comes across a bit smarmy, Adams talks too much but is super smart, Mitchell isnt well known which precludes him.
    Collins is probably the only one who could take it to Ardern, will best her in any debate but has the skills to do that and unlike a male wont look like a bully. We have had a day of stupid headlines over a male middle aged journalist doing a flattering interview with one awkward question and everyone looses the plot. It needs to be a woman.

    • Gezza

       /  February 27, 2018

      What they have to decide is whether they want to go for attack politics with a conservative old-timer or reasoned criticism with generational change.

  5. And TV1 interviewed Cindy… One might ask why

    • Blazer

       /  February 27, 2018

      its because she’s the P.M. of NZ.George .

      • And connected to the Nationals leader election precisely how ?

        • Blazer

           /  February 27, 2018

          whoever wins will be her direct competition as to leading NZ .Anything else I can help you with,don’t hesitate to ask..George.I know a towering intellect,when I see…one.

  6. PDB

     /  February 27, 2018

    Sounds like Adams or Bridges are well in the lead – of that choice then Adams should get the nod. Bridges is publically unlikable no matter how good a leader he might become.

    • robertguyton

       /  February 27, 2018

      Adam’s is likeable ?

      • robertguyton

         /  February 27, 2018

        Adams is..

        • PDB

           /  February 27, 2018

          Not sure Robert – haven’t seen enough of her to be fair but I’ve seen Bridges plenty and like Cunliffe & Little for Labour he has virtually 0% chance of becoming PM.

  7. Am interesting point.

  8. Blazer

     /  February 27, 2018

    Expect a balance Nth Sth,male/female city/region…so Adams/Bridges or an each way bet…Adams/Joyce.Most unappealing personally is Mitchell,most appealing…Collins.

    • robertguyton

       /  February 27, 2018

      Feathering ones own nest is okay…isn’t it..?

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  February 27, 2018

        You’d know. Are those nests still in your beard ?

        • robertguyton

           /  February 27, 2018

          I reckon everyone knows and no, they’ve finally fallen out. I’ve plans for the next shoot involving grapes and vines…

  9. Alan Wilkinson

     /  February 27, 2018

    I can’t imagine it can be anyone other than Collins or Adams. The rest would be suicide mission candidates IMO.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  February 27, 2018

      Mitchell’s out.

      • Blazer

         /  February 27, 2018

        not according to…him.

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  February 27, 2018

          Read the Herald.

          • robertguyton

             /  February 27, 2018

            Yeah, Blazer! And vote National!

          • Blazer

             /  February 27, 2018

            herald story was vbefore this…’Upon arriving at Parliament this morning, Nats leadership hopeful Mark Mitchell told media it would be the top job or nothing. He has no desire to be deputy. #jointhenatrace

            8:17 AM – Feb 27, 2018

  10. Zedd

     /  February 27, 2018

    “GOOOOOOO…. Judith” 😀

  11. Gezza

     /  February 27, 2018

    Stuff.co
    Feb 27, 2018 10:52 AM
    Laura Walters
    Update on the timing of the announcement: it has been set down for 12.45pm today. We will have live video and blog coverage of the leadership announcement right here.

    • robertguyton

       /  February 27, 2018

      Fizzing with excitement!

      • robertguyton

         /  February 27, 2018

        Beginning to feel though, that Todd’s left his run too late.

      • Gezza

         /  February 27, 2018

        Antacids. Best thing.
        Sir Gerald.

        • robertguyton

           /  February 27, 2018

          Good suggestion, Gezza – Judith’ll be all peptic on it!

          • Gezza

             /  February 27, 2018

            Update – Nats New Leader will now hold their Press Conference at 1pm

    • Gezza

       /  February 27, 2018

      While we’re waiting for National to go through the election process, let’s take a look at how that process will work.

      Basically, it’s a blind, progressive vote. So MPs have the option of keeping their pick a secret, but some – like Nikki Kaye, Chris Bishop, Maggie Barry and Tim Macindoe – have already publicly declared their allegiance to Amy Adams.

      The caucus meeting will begin with the contenders giving a speech to the caucus, stating their aims, and laying out why they’re best suited. Most, if not all, MPs will have already made up their minds, but they will be listening carefully in case their preferred candidate is forced to drop out.

      The winner needs 29 votes to win, with five in the running, that’s unlikely to happen in the first round of voting. So from there, deals will be struck, and contenders will step aside, to make room for the final two or three to go head-to-head.

      It may only take one round of voting. It may all be over in a flash. More likely, there will be two or three rounds before a leader is chosen.

      There will also be a vote for deputy leader. Paula Bennett will again stand for the position but may not get it. And the deputy leader will have to be chosen with the dynamics of the leadership team in mind.

      Once all is decided, the new-look leadership team will face the public, at a press conference in the Legislative Council Chamber (LCC) at 12.45pm.

      UPDATED FEB 27, 2018 12:11 PM
      Feb 27, 2018 11:27 AM
      Laura Walters
      Don’t forget, this isn’t the only game in town today. NZ First is also voting on its deputy leader today.

      Ron Mark is currently the party’s deputy leader but that could change around midday today. Winston Peters has again been re-elected as leader, but the deputy leadership is up for grabs. Mark is keen on the job, but has to be nominated.

      Meanwhile, it sounds like Fletcher Tabuteau has also made a run. Tracey Martin and Shane Jones say not them.

      All will be revealed later today.

  12. robertguyton

     /  February 27, 2018

    TS
    “Looking at the candidates for the opposition, their view of future New Zealand alarms me. Division of Urban and Rural goals, trucks oil and gas, military/ police state, or more of the funding lies.

    How is that supposed to improve our lot?? It won’t. It doesn’t. So, no thanks!!”

    • PDB

       /  February 27, 2018

      Funny then that many of the people going for the leadership were important parts of the last govt that the new govt is now trying to emulate…except of course with the added bonus of pandering to unions and fishing interests.

      • robertguyton

         /  February 27, 2018

        National Party erects screens to hide from public – papering over the cracks?

        • PDB

           /  February 27, 2018

          Don’t worry Robert, Winston is leading National-lite quite well by keeping things pretty much the same.

      • Blazer

         /  February 27, 2018

        yes knighting Sir Peter Talley and kissing the Farmers Union’s arse,were features of the prior..administration.

  13. Gezza

     /  February 27, 2018

    REMINDER

    Question Time: The Trevor Show – 2pm, Parliament TV.
    National leadership special?

  14. robertguyton

     /  February 27, 2018

    Go Cam!

  15. I’ve tried to put myself in the shoes of a back-bencher.
    I suspect my first pick will be dumped in the first vote.
    My second vote goes to which of the four I feel least unfavourable about. I suspect they will be dumped in the second vote.
    Now I’m left with three options for whom I have either little respect, little confidence or I don’t believe has what it takes to hold current or attract new voters. The best of a bad bunch.
    You however are wearing the shoes of a media pundit. Who do I support, who will I eventually vote for, and how much can you trust my previous utterances? It is indeed a tangled web.

  16. Loki

     /  February 27, 2018

    Anybody else waiting like it’s Xmas eve to witness Slaters pathetic tantrum when the vile Collins doesn’t get the big job?

    • Blazer

       /  February 27, 2018

      Collins is the best candidate…she is to the Nats as Corbyn is to Labour in the ..U.K.That may be missed by…some in caucus..though.

  17. PDB

     /  February 27, 2018

    In other news Ron Mark has just been shafted by his old mate Winston – Fletcher Tabuteau new deputy for Winston First.

  18. Loki

     /  February 27, 2018

    Bridges wins.
    Cue hysterical screeching from the Arkles Bay rental house.

  19. Alan Wilkinson

     /  February 27, 2018

    Seems bizarre to me but what do I know?

    • PDB

       /  February 27, 2018

      Probably sums up the lack of a clear choice. I almost feel sorry for Bridges as it can only end in tears for him.

      Rumour has it that if Bridges won he didn’t want Joyce in the finance role so that could be an interesting side story alongside how he works with the more liberal MPs of the National party.

    • Gezza

       /  February 27, 2018

      Maybe they thought they also needed someone with poor diction, to compete against Jacinda’s?

  20. Blazer

     /  February 27, 2018

    Simon ‘oilslick’ Bridges in action…

  21. Blazer

     /  February 27, 2018

    head to head 6 yrs..ago

  22. Corky

     /  February 27, 2018

    Oh, dear. Just goes to show the snowflake mentally isn’t confined to Labour.

    The winner is Bennett. Not what I envisaged for her, but better than the backbenches with a paycut.

    Team Mardee, ready to take only those sickly white Labour liberals.

    • PartisanZ

       /  February 27, 2018

      No indeed Corky, what you call “the snowflake mentality” – actually just common human decency you don’t recognize – is rapidly overtaking your outmoded neoliberal society … as people ‘made’ or wrecked by its working conditions drop-out or retire … and students educated in its schools and universities graduate … and its conservative ‘elders’ pass away … RIP.

    • Corky

       /  February 27, 2018

      Couple of people on National Party electoral committees have resigned,

  23. Gezza

     /  February 27, 2018

    Quite a good press conference, I thought. better than I thought. Handled questions well. Nice looking Mrs, if that was her next to him. I can see him patiently & respectfully explaining things to Jacinda, but cross-examining confused Labour Ministers.

    Certainly sounds like Joyce is out of the Finance Minister job & a substantial spokesperson shakeup is coming in 2 weeks.

    He pronounces “Maori” properly, unlike some prats with a really poor audi-lingual ear. But I can’t see him really collecting any Maori votes at this stage.

    We’ll see how he goes during the Trevor Show today. I’m sure Jacinda will be very nice to him.

    • PDB

       /  February 27, 2018

      With such low expectations he can really only do better than expected.

      • Gezza

         /  February 27, 2018

        At a guess, from how he spoke about Jacinda, my guess is his method of handling her is going to be extremely polite condescension, rather than head-on “go for the jugular”. He identied her Ministers as her weakess.

      • “Nice looking Mrs, if that was her next to him.” I was really surprised when he didn’t even turn to her when he acknowledged her. Disrespectful, un-genuine, or just too focussed (possum-like) on his image in the glare of the TV lights.

        • Gezza

           /  February 27, 2018

          Hmm. True. If he’d hauled her up there, it would’ve been nice to acknowlege her.

  24. Griff

     /  February 27, 2018

    KB and Whales regulars are having a melt down.
    Oh dear.
    How sad.
    Never mind….

  25. Alan Wilkinson

     /  February 27, 2018

    Having elected the first female PM now the Nats are trying to elect the first Maori PM. Ironic to say the least.

    • Blazer

       /  February 27, 2018

      Debateable whether Shipley was the first ‘elected’ P.M…most would say…no.

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  February 27, 2018

        The Nats elected her as they have elected Bridges.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  February 27, 2018

          Good Maori name, that – Bridges. He’s a very pale Maori.

  26. Gezza

     /  February 27, 2018

    Question 1 – Simon has brought out the attack dog in Jacinda!

    • Gezza

       /  February 27, 2018

      Sorry it was question 2 – Simon went straight on the attack & the pair of them had a good dust up! So much for my theory he’d go easy on her.

      He’s gonna be good I reckon 😀

      • Gezza

         /  February 27, 2018

        Ripping in to each other …

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  February 27, 2018

          Next test will be how well he follows that up with the media. I presume those questions were prepared for him. He will need to be on top of the facts for interviews.

          • Blazer

             /  February 27, 2018

            he is a smart guy,models himself on Key,but has been inclined to…over reach..at 41,he has his chance to be himself.

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  February 27, 2018

            Was a Crown Prosecutor. Should be reasonable training for Question Time.

        • Gezza

           /  February 27, 2018

          Audrey Young: New National leader Simon Bridges brings out mongrel in Jacinda Ardern
          http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12002970

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  February 27, 2018

            If today’s performance is anything to go by, he will take the fight to Ardern in a way she is not used to. But if today’s performance is anything to go by, she will handle it ably.

            Depends how long the media are prepared to run defence for her. She didn’t have any real answers to Bridge’s questions including the one she ducked three times.

    • PartisanZ

       /  February 27, 2018

      Maybe that’s the idea Gezza? Someone Jacinda can make mincemeat of and consequently look bad as her pregnancy progresses …?

      Either that or a cunning conspiracy to divert and absorb the population’s attention onto speech impediments and correct ‘diction’ …?

      Either way, all the popcorn I bought on someone’s recommendation here has gone to waste.

      Not quite true Alan that Jenny Shipley was “elected PM”. She rolled Jim Bolger for the job mid-term by being elected leader of the Nats. Helen Clark was NZ’s first elected woman PM.

      I’m sure National are after winning the Maori vote though …

      • Gezza

         /  February 27, 2018

        Their speech impediments are hardly noticeable when they’re shouting.

  27. Blazer

     /  February 27, 2018

    Bennett played her cards well…backed the oilslick ,rallied numbers and kept her…pay packet intact…for now.

  28. Blazer

     /  February 27, 2018

    David Farrar….why bother!…’Simon is the first Māori Leader of a major political party and Simon and Paula are, I think, the only Māori Leader and Deputy team of any political party (except Māori Party obviously). Congrats to them both.’

    Does he think Winston is…Chinese?

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  February 27, 2018

      Well, he is more Pakeha than Maori.

    • Kimbo

       /  February 27, 2018

      The failed Messiah of a soon-to-enter-the-history-books cult of personality? 🙂

  29. Blazer

     /  February 27, 2018

    unkindly referred to as the ‘B Team’….Bridges/Bennett.

  30. Zedd

     /  February 27, 2018

    I reckon Bridges wont last.. he spends too much time, reading from prepared notes; a LEADER needs to be able to ‘think on their feet’… like Jacinda &…… Judith ?

    • Gezza

       /  February 27, 2018

      As was the case with Jacinda, initially, too early to say. Let’s just see how he goes. As Blazer indicates above he can write his own script now instead of just being a bag carrier.

  31. lurcher1948

     /  February 27, 2018

    A new leader for National and crusher is stuffed and lots of whining from the right, but its the best show in town,get popcorn and beer in.Kiwiblog is melting down, its a laugh FARRAR is ripping his HAIR out….just saying
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/02/its_bridges.html

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  February 27, 2018

      You might need new specs, Lurch. Whoever was ripping their hair out there it certainly wasn’t Farrar:
      The 12th Leader of the New Zealand National Party is Simon Bridges. Paula Bennett had been returned as Deputy Leader.

      Simon is the first Māori Leader of a major political party and Simon and Paula are, I think, the only Māori Leader and Deputy team of any political party (except Māori Party obviously and the Winston cult). Congrats to them both.

      • Corky

         /  February 27, 2018

        First reading lessons..then the specs.

      • robertguyton

         /  February 27, 2018

        “Alan Wilkinson / February 27, 2018
        I can’t imagine it can be anyone other than Collins or Adams. The rest would be suicide mission candidates IMO.”
        Go, Simon!

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  February 27, 2018

          After Bridges’ trainwreck radio interview that was my conclusion, Robert. Time will tell. No doubt Collins will be circling if there are any repeats of that fiasco.

      • Gezza

         /  February 27, 2018

        I’m going out to get two crunchie bars to celebrate Simon’s elevation to leader of the National Party.

        • robertguyton

           /  February 27, 2018

          Then what will you do with them?

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  February 27, 2018

            Choke Corky with them. I hope.

          • Gezza

             /  February 27, 2018

            I’m eating one now, & I’ll save the other one for Question Time tomorrow.

            Big Gerry was spoiling for a fight with Trev today. This could get interesting as the week goes on. David Seymour’s already lost his only Question for the week.

            • robertguyton

               /  February 27, 2018

              And is busy searching his navel for it as we type.

  32. Gezza

     /  February 27, 2018

    Will Simon’s elevation to the leader of National be the lead item on 1ewes?
    Stay tuned.

    • Gezza

       /  February 27, 2018

      Yep. Star of the show almost. Simon Dallow, Andrea Vance, Katie Bradford & Wendy Petrie all had a segment about him.

  33. artcroft

     /  February 27, 2018

    NZ First has this govt by the short and curlies. Peters and his ministers get a $61 million dollar slush fund with no govt oversight, managed by a donor crony. Come on lefties this is just bulls**t.

  34. Alan Wilkinson

     /  February 27, 2018

    Intermarriage has consequences:

    Rather I want to acknowledge a remarkable change to the make up of our Parliament that Simon Bridges’ appointment and Paula Bennett’s reappointment signify.

    And that is six out of the nine political party leaders are of Maori descent. David Seymour, the Act leader, is of Ngati Rehia on his mother’s side.

    Because, hidden among the news today, was the appointment of Fletcher Tabuteau, he of Te Arawa waka decent, as deputy leader of New Zealand First.

    Three Maori appointments in one day. And it may soon be seven if Marama Davidson picks up the co-leader for the Greens.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12003025

  35. Blazer

     /  February 27, 2018

    • Blazer

       /  February 27, 2018

      might need more surgery…throw momma off the..train.

  36. Patu

     /  February 27, 2018

    Comment of the day regarding Simple Simon, from one of my fellow constituents… 😀
    “He is an obedient dog – licks arses and shits in someone elses backyard”

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  February 27, 2018

      Not a very nice way to describe the most recently elected Maori leader of a major political party. Would definitely be denounced as racist if applied to any Lefty politician.

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