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27 February 2018

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33 Comments

  1. Corky

     /  February 27, 2018

    Lol, Duncan was interviewing Helen Clark regarding plastic bags. When Duncan asked her why Labour had done nothing during her term the line went fuzzy; then dead. That’s Helen, control freak till the end.

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  February 27, 2018

      You are very easily amused.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  February 27, 2018

        I wonder why the anti-plastic bags brigade are focussing on something that can be reused and recycled.

        Countdown sells disposable cutlery and plates, much of which cannot be recycled and little of which will be, even when it could be. How many people don’t just throw this away ?

        Biros can’t be recycled. Nor can most plastic packaging. Nor can polystyrene and many other kinds of plastic. I threw out two old smoke alarms today, there was nothing that I could do with them.

        The plastic in the sea is unlikely to be plastic bags.

        It seems to me that this campaign is missing the point when it comes to using less plastic by concentrating on something that can be and is reused and recycled and ignoring the many, many other things that can’t be.

  2. Gezza

     /  February 27, 2018

    This Stuff Circuit investigation into what really happened at the Battle of Baghak in 2012 in Afghanistan – where several New Zealand Provincial Reconstruction Team soldiers lost their lives is worth a look. (The link says Iraq, but it’s about Afghanistan.)

    They also cover events around the 2004 SAS firefight where Willie Apiata earned his Victoria Cross.

    It argues the Defence Force has repeatedly misled the public & raises questions about transparency and accountability in the NZDF.

    It includes previously unseen, more extensive soldiers’ video footage of the Baghak ambush, & interviews with the Afghani commander and soldiers who were wounded there. The reporters travelled under armed escort to the actual scene of what was clearly a shambles.

    Interviews with former NZDF soldiers serving around that time as well.

    https://interactives.stuff.co.nz/2018/02/iraq-open-warfare/

  3. lurcher1948

     /  February 27, 2018

    Proof that donald trump POTUS#45 is a complete idiot, the mans a closet coward due to all his past efforts to avoid serving his country…the proof is there…
    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-parkland-school-shooting_us_5a94341ce4b02cb368c44ab3

    • Corky

       /  February 27, 2018

      Serving your country could get you shot, Lurchy. Best let other people have that honour, while you go on to be PRESIDENT.

      How many happy people do you see in a cemetery? Now remind me…who’s an idiot?

      • lurcher1948

         /  February 27, 2018

        It just shows a sniveling COWARD sued and bankrupted many times can become POTUS.It says a lot about the USA,nothing good.

        • Corky

           /  February 27, 2018

          Are you listening to what I say, Lurchy? Trump is a genius..people who criticise him aren’t.

          • lurcher1948

             /  February 27, 2018

            Wow i have 3 upticks i dare you to say that to their faces, lover of a orange faced groper, with the moral standards of a orange rat.

            • Corky

               /  February 27, 2018

              ”Wow i have 3 upticks i dare you to say that to their faces, ”

              No need, Lurchy…no need.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  February 27, 2018

        Corky, you ask who’s an idiot.

        You are.

    • Joe Bloggs

       /  February 27, 2018

      This guy???

    • David

       /  February 27, 2018

      He’s not the first President to dodge combat service….

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  February 27, 2018

        He is on record as saying that he can’t stand the sight of blood, so how he imagined that he’d be able to cope with a massacre is a mystery..

        Good try by the press secretary to explain away that he didn’t really say that he’d have run in there without a weapon.He meant……..

        I wouldn’t have her job for anything.

        It was an easy thing to say when there’s not the slightest chance of having to prove it. Even the eagle looks unimpressed.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  February 27, 2018

          Corky, the fact that someone says that they are a genius doesn’t mean that they are one. I have never heard anyone except Trump make this claim about Trump.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  February 27, 2018

          He had bone spurs, which are easily curable. I bet that he made sure that they weren’t, at least until the danger was over.

  4. PartisanZ

     /  February 27, 2018

    Today’s report from your ‘Globalization Desk’ …

    ‘Popular’ nationalism confronts globalization (or vice-versa?) … Who will win?

    ‘Outrage from retirement giants over proposed government ban on foreign investors’ – NZ Herald

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12002635

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  February 27, 2018

      The flow of unintended consequences begins: Foreign land sales ban hits Kiwi businesses.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  February 27, 2018

        What a surprise – I DON’T think.

      • PartisanZ

         /  February 27, 2018

        Well Alan, perhaps one could say: The flow of unintended consequences begins to intersect and interact with the 30+ year-old flow of both intended and unintended consequences …?

        Ryman and similar retirement sector conglomerates are good examples of the complexities of globalisation though, aren’t they?…. Percentage overseas owned … What percentage of the profits go offshore?

        What percentage of the workers who build the buildings and staff the retirement facilities are recent immigrants or foreigners on short-term work visas? Infill labour …

        What percentage of the staff are on minimum wage compared to the CEO, upper management, board and owner/shareholder remuneration?

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  February 27, 2018

          75% of shares are NZ owned. And I expect labour costs are a significant component of the business so most likely the off-shore payments are a small fraction of the on-shore payments. At a quick glance it looks like $200M goes to staff and suppliers and $300M goes to shareholders so about $75M (15%) goes overseas and $425M goes to New Zealanders.

  5. PartisanZ

     /  February 27, 2018

    Second of today’s ‘Globalization’ Reports –

    ‘Operation Spectrum: Immigration fraud charges for boss of construction company’ – NZHerald

    “Operation Spectrum also uncovered a weakness in border security whereby 15 people previously deported or who fled from New Zealand were able to return under new identities.

    Many of the immigration fraudsters registered companies in New Zealand, then recruited other unlawful workers as plasterers, painters, tilers or carpenters.

    Most were paid just $20 to $40 an hour in cash – paying no tax – so those running the underground crews were able to win contracts by undercutting the prices of legitimate competitors.

    “It was common to hear ‘we got paid every Thursday by a man in a black Audi’,” said Alistair Murray …”

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12002690

  6. Blazer

     /  February 27, 2018

    PR should be revoked immediately and be deported quickly…’Last week, Adam Gan Bin Abdullah, 39, appeared in the Manukau District Court where he narrowly avoided going to prison.

    Abdullah, a builder, was deported from New Zealand in 2012 under his previous name of Meng Kuang Gan.

    He changed his name in Malaysia after marrying a Muslim woman, as is the custom, and returned to New Zealand the following year.

    Abdullah repeatedly failed to declare his previous name or deportation, eventually obtaining permanent residency here until being caught in Operation Spectrum.

    His residency was likely to be revoked and he would be deportation again, his lawyer Michael Kan told the court.’NZH.

  7. Blazer

     /  February 27, 2018

    he’s got the ‘pasta man vibration’…courageous and unfairly targeted..
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12002653

  8. Alan Wilkinson

     /  February 27, 2018

    Hello Labour, hello transport worker strike disruption:
    Auckland commuters are facing hour-long delays as semester one begins amid a massive rail workers’ strike.
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/101751297/depressing-trains-cancelled-motorway-queues-building-as-march-madness-hits

    Here’s a great idea. Let’s make everyone take public transport so we can go on strike and bleed them dry. Labour and the Greens will be good with that.

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  February 27, 2018

      Let’s endanger the passengers by striking for their safety to be improved.

      Let’s strike and then wonder why people don’t want to use public transport.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  February 27, 2018

        I suppose that Labour would have discouraged Christmas holiday strikes when this was so soon after they hijacked Parliament.

        Let’s start a book on which public holiday will be disrupted first by strike action. We’ll be back in the good old days when the ferry workers went on strike when it was likely to cause the most trouble to the public at large. To be fair, it was the same in the UK.

    • Gezza

       /  February 27, 2018

      I don’t think that’s a very good idea. But maybe you could email it to Labour & the Greens & report back on their replies?

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  February 27, 2018

        I think that I can guess what they’d be.

        The TAB might be interested. 10-1 on Easter, 25-1 on Queen’s Birhday…..

  9. Zedd

     /  February 27, 2018

    Just watching the Parliament; Education (Tertiary Education & other matters) bill; committee stage..
    I see that Natl MPs have not changed even in opposition.. they have hardly added anything to the debate & one MP asked (paraphrased) ‘If all parties agree on this bill.. why are we even debating it ?’
    C Hipkins (Minister) answered “Because its our job, to do so.. to debate the clauses & issues !”

    T McIndoe (Natl) has taken a few ‘calls’.. to just call for ‘the question to be put’

    I for one, enjoy listening to the debate & the issues.. BUT it just shows the whole attitude of the Natl PARTY (in Govt. or Opposition).. lets just shut it down, not interested ? 😦

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  February 27, 2018

      So the Nats objected to wasting time but Labour thinks it is their purpose in life.

    • Trevors_elbow

       /  February 28, 2018

      Who introduced the Bill? Has it been to select committee? Is it contentious?

      If its cleared select committee and is non contentious and no one is moving amendments…why debate it?

      Maybe because if it moces through to quickly then the order bill will clear too quickly meaning there will be plenty of time to debate the bills Labour want to ram through under urgency to avoid public scrutiny…

      This tactic is so obvious even sleepy, soggy South Dunners must see through it…. or maybe not…