Controversial column from Barry Soper

There has been a quick reaction to an odd, seemingly hissy fit column by Barry Soper at NZ Herald. Like

The column – Barry Soper: National selecting Simon Bridges counts itself out of next election

While the National Party whips were counting the votes for Simon Bridges after the second ballot in their super secret caucus yesterday they were also counting themselves out of the next election.

They truly sealed that fate when they did the head count for Paula Bennett over Judith Collins for the deputy’s job. The party’s MPs have ignored, likely at their peril, the wishes of their rank and file supporters who were solidly behind Collins. And they can kiss goodbye to Winston Peters with Bennett part of the mix.

Soper sounds pissed off an petulant.

The new leader is even more morally conservative than Bill English, so when he talks about generational change he’s simply talking about his 41 years, not about where his head is.

That’s a fair observation.

National’s rock solid support, which has been hovering around the mid-40s, will soon become sand through the hourglass. The glass will be set at between a year and 18 months when the party will be spooked by the falling opinion polls, and the vultures – and as we’ve seen by this contest there are plenty of them – will start circling.

That sounds like Whale Oil.

Bridges’ generational change then is about as solid as his claims to his Maori heritage and that of his deputy, neither of whom have made much of it in their rise up through the ranks; not altogether surprising considering their new leader is just three sixteenths Maori and Bennett’s grandmother was half-Maori.

They’re now fully fledged tangata whenua it seems and he’s pleading for the Maori vote, which is unlikely to wash.

That was the most controversial bit. I’m not surprised.

Soper sounds like he can’t except the leadership election result and is lashing out.

 

61 Comments

  1. lurcher1948

     /  February 28, 2018

    Mr and Mrs Hoskings arent to happy either,Mrs Hosking hasn’t given the National party any chance of winning the next elections.

  2. Blazer

     /  February 28, 2018

    delicious…’Soper sounds pissed off an petulant.

    The new leader is even more morally conservative than Bill English, so when he talks about generational change he’s simply talking about his 41 years, not about where his head is.’
    ‘Barely Sober’….is now quite …lucid.

  3. sorethumb

     /  February 28, 2018

    Aren’t they sensitive to the ancestry issue – Will yell Auntie Susan?
    The reality is a lot of them are just puppets

  4. duperez

     /  February 28, 2018

    ‘Controversial, hissy fit, pissed off, petulant, and lashing out’ are all in the eyes of the beholder.

    i read it and thought it was just a post match column. A telling point for me was the bit about Bridges’ Maori heritage. Not for the thought of its possible affect on the Maori vote but the affect on those who let us know loud and long when it suits to diminish a situation, that there are “no full Maori left” anyway.

    • unitedtribes2

       /  February 28, 2018

      I suspect Bob Jones would back you on this

    • PartisanZ

       /  February 28, 2018

      duperez! “Say it loud …. SAY it CLEAR!”

      Yesterday widespread headlines proclaimed Bridges the first Maori leader of a major party and B & B the first Maori leader-deputy team of ANY party …

      So, I wonder how the ‘Far-Right, Alt-Right, Don Brash, ACT’ wing of the National Party feel about this?

      Bridges and the media may have given an impression of angling for the Maori vote but I’d hardly call anything I saw “pleading” …

      • Balderdash. He’s not “angled “ for the Māori vote. That was Ardern promoting an incompetent Kelvin and barbecuing and virtue signaling up at Waitangi.

    • You’re telling me he normally pulls Māori blood quota trick to challenge politicians. Fact is he’s never done it. He’s showing some serious, serious bias here. I’m sure people will complain. There’s nothing reasonable about this race baiting.

  5. robertguyton

     /  February 28, 2018

    “Sand through the hourglass”
    Nice.

  6. sorethumb

     /  February 28, 2018

    The left have designed Maori to fit their agenda. Hence good Maori are pro what they are pro – diversity, open borders, inclusiveness (without consequence).

    • Patzcuaro

       /  February 28, 2018

      I’m not entirely sure that Maori are keen on open borders, the horse bolted on this a long time ago though.

      • sorethumb

         /  February 28, 2018

        Nevertheless Government Maori (GM) are apologists.

  7. Pickled Possum

     /  February 28, 2018

    “They’re now fully fledged tangata whenua it seems and he’s pleading for the Maori vote, which is unlikely to wash.”

    Boy Soper is so soppy with his words. Where is this Maori vote going to come from the Barrree … Anglo saxon urban with a drop of Maori blood and even less tikanga.
    Or the boyz tending to the hangi at the back of the marae down the coast.

    So what!? … the new Leader and deputy have a smattering of Maori blood mixed in with all the rest of the dilution. Do they speak Maori in the ring, do they mihi to Trev?, do they do anything tikanga maori … do they even eat wild pork and watercress or hangi?
    I haven’t heard them do any of the above, except maybe hangi.

    Butt no one can deny their whakapapa or the Maori blood that flows thru there very brave veins. And if they want to capitalise on it now, then all the best to them,
    Maori have heard them talk their korero for a few years now and we ain’t dumb.
    We say ‘A Simon To Far’ in Taipa and ‘Privacy’ is not in Paula Bennett’s vocab.

    Cue JKey parachuting into Helensville, saying to his minions and expected voters
    I am a New Zealander that knows best!!! for YOU …kind of guy.

    Barry loves white woman and white men, apparently.
    So is he looking for kehua in the mist.

    • Pickled Possum

       /  February 28, 2018

    • Patzcuaro

       /  February 28, 2018

      Bridges puts on a BBQ I’m not sure how the is on kai though.

    • Corky

       /  February 28, 2018

      Right on, my cuz. The tikanga must always rule.

      • Pickled Possum

         /  February 28, 2018

        Sure Is bro. That’s the difference between Maori and non Maori.
        Tikanga correct procedure, custom, habit, lore, method, manner, rule, way, code, meaning, plan, practice, convention, protocol – the customary system of values and practices that have developed over time and are deeply embedded in the social context .
        aka the correct and true way.

        • Griff

           /  February 28, 2018

          So you are all for eating your enemy’s and a good bout of inter tribal warfare then .
          Trying to retain stone age ideas in 2018 is going to make you fail.

          • Pickled Possum

             /  February 28, 2018

            Well No Griff I wouldn’t like to eat my perceived enemy or go to war
            with Ngati Awa. How stone age for you to think or even write that shite.

            Tikanga is not stone age in my and many others view.
            How do you judge Catholics who still practice the rituals of early days like communion, baptism, first Holy communion, where young girls dress as brides for Christ? How about tithing Griff a centuries old law/lore of many Christian churches.
            Lets face it Griff Maori are at the moment quietly and steadily climbing the ladder of the western world and doing it yaw way.
            Now your attitude imo is very stone age and I might hazard a guess, not entirely kosher … informal …genuine and legitimate.

            • Griff

               /  February 28, 2018

              Believing in an imaginary friend is a delusion.

              Ritual Cannibalism. Apparently a simple chant by their witchdoctors transmogrifys crackers and wine into blood and flesh.
              Catholics claim to eat this flesh and blood of Christ their god who died and come back to life every Sunday.
              I consider zombie munchers to be backward.
              So bleating about Christs whacky followers doesn’t make a valid point.

              Stone age or iron age culture is not fit for purpose in the the Anthropocene.

            • robertguyton

               /  February 28, 2018

              “Stone Age or Iron Age culture…”
              Some of their stuff is good.

  8. sorethumb

     /  February 28, 2018

    It’s racist to associate Maoriness with ancestry, but you must have one ancestor.
    Um………?
    Suppose that person identified as Pakeha?
    The question is how is *racist* applied here?

    • Pickled Possum

       /  February 28, 2018

      Jez sorekonui get your head otta yur arse. the tower of babel changed all that shit.

      • sorethumb

         /  February 28, 2018

        As I understand it you don’t need blood to be of a tribe or ethnic group e.g. Cynthia Anne Parker was 100% Anglo but Comanche through and through.
        The Maori doctrine however is based on blood (therefore racist).
        As for the claims bout (new improved )tikanga . Early observers were not flattering of many Maori practices.

        • Gezza

           /  February 28, 2018

          Later European observers are not very flattering of many European practices.

        • Gezza

           /  February 28, 2018

          There isn’t a Maori doctrine in the sense of a unviersal political ideology. Tikanga governs essentially how Maori should behave when they relate to each other & to manuhiri, & the tradtional forms are most commonly observed in formal cultural settings such as on marae & at hui.

          Those Maori-bashers who think they’re still into smoking heads & cannibal practices need to get their heads out of their arses & catch up with how long ago it was since that last happened.

  9. NOEL

     /  February 28, 2018

    I’m guessing, haven’t bothered to research it, that every new PM or Leader of the Opposition looks a different character after a year or so in the job. Soper might be surprised come election day.

  10. Corky

     /  February 28, 2018

    ”Soper sounds pissed off and petulant.”

    He’s not the one.I expected something like this. Still time for National to roll Simon if needed. The great thing about the situation is it may lull Labour into a false sense of security.

  11. Alan Wilkinson

     /  February 28, 2018

    It’s a dark day for any country that elects leaders based on ancestry or race rather than ability and policy. Shame on Bridges for trying to play that game.

    • Pickled Possum

       /  February 28, 2018

      and yet Al we heard ad nauseam about John Key. Who was a white NZ jew who started life in a single parent home, which was a state house paid for by many hard working Maori.

      MSM were the ones who plastered his piece of ancestry and race ability,
      this was all over the news feeds, sometimes daily till we got the point.
      Or just got bored with how the little pakeha boy make good being a moni dog.

      When a Maori attains to the lofty heights of western society it’s *Ahem.
      When a Maori is institutionalised, it’s another *Ahem.
      No getting round you guys, eh? Al.

      *Ahem … used to represent the noise made when clearing the throat, typically to attract attention or express disapproval or embarrassment.

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  February 28, 2018

        Rubbish, Possum. Key was slagged off as a rich prick and in defence his state house solo mum background was reported. He isn’t a Jew. His mother was but not his father. He is not religious. I don’t disapprove of Bridges, just his attempt to message that Maori should vote for him because he has some Maori ancestry. Key never said anything so silly.

        I don’t care what your ancestry is. If you do well I will say so and if you do bad or silly or both I will say so.

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  February 28, 2018

        Just to be plain about this I have no problem with anyone being proud of their Maori heritage and their success and exhorting other Maori to follow and set similar high goals. I have a big problem with the message that Maori should vote for me because I am Maori. Tribal voting is what gave the world Mugabe and Zuma and Hitler.

        • Blazer

           /  February 28, 2018

          Hitler was born in Austria…what tribal voting are you talking…about?

        • Gezza

           /  February 28, 2018

          It gave the world Mugabe & Zuma but I thinks the allusion to Hitler is wrong. He represented a political ideology not a tribal one.

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  February 28, 2018

          The Nazis were racists.

          • Gezza

             /  February 28, 2018

            Yes, they were. It was part of their political ideology. They were also virulently anti-communist & antiliberal.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  February 28, 2018

        Jew and Pakeha begin with capital letters, as Maori does.Please do them the courtesy of not writing them in lower case.

        Alan, John Key IS Jewish. His mother was, so he is. He can’t not be one. He is not an observant Jew, but he is a Jew (see the Talmud)

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  February 28, 2018

          Jews may have one opinion and others may have a different one, Kitty.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  February 28, 2018

            It’s not an opinion, it’s a fact. The child of a Jewish mother is Jewish. The Rabbi’s Conference of 1983 expanded this criterion, but that’s another story. It’s irrelevant what non-Jews think, that doesn’t change anything. If your mother was Jewish, you are, too.

            • The Jews may claim Key, but he himself lays claim to not having a religion

            • Blazer

               /  February 28, 2018

              @Traveller…Key was smart enough to downplay his status…’not practicing’…

            • Gezza

               /  February 28, 2018

              You’re talking about different things here. Key’s Jewish according to Jewish religious rules, & maybe Israeli citizenship/passport laws, relating to bloodline.

              But his father wasn’t Jewish & I don’t think he identifies as a Jew nor does he practice Judaism. There’s nothing in his marriage or the upbringing of his kids that we know of to suggest otherwise, either.

              What’s tbe context of that photo Blazer? Where & when was it taken & what was he doing there?

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  March 1, 2018

              I know that he doesn’t practice Judaism, but that’s not the point.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  February 28, 2018

              It’s not a fact, it is a rule for those who wish to believe and obey that rule. For others he is merely the son of a Jewish mother.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  March 1, 2018

              It is a fact. Ask a Rabbi, if you don’t believe me.

        • david in aus

           /  February 28, 2018

          Being a Jew is a religious affiliation. If you do not believe, you’re not a Jew; especially, if you change religions. You can convert to Judaism like some Ethiopians.

          Are you still a Christian if you become a Muslim or vice versa?

          Am I wrong?

          • Gezza

             /  February 28, 2018

            Yes, you are wrong. A Jew is someone who is a follower of the Jewish religion (Judaism) OR someone who is ethnically Jewish i.e. who has an ethnic Jewish ancestral connection.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  March 1, 2018

              Ach, finally someone who sees sense. A mensch.

              I am ethnically a Jew because my ancestors were, do you think that I don’t know about this issue ?

              I wouldn’t read too much into John Key wearing the yarmulke, even Goys do in various places where this is the custom, like women covering their heads in RC churches.

  12. San Zani e Paolo

     /  February 28, 2018

    Possum, et al:

    Sorry. As I said before, “My folks” are so weak we can only hold our heads up if everyone else is down on the floor saying o great one how great you are. Racism and all this argument around it are a symptom of this horrible Whitey Man vanity – under which is nothing. Got to salute you Māori for pressing on with your sacred norms. Would be nice if we could learn from you.

    Ex whitey from other side of moana tuauriuri. Ama sua, ama llulla, ama quella.

  13. sorethumb

     /  March 1, 2018

    So we now have a new improved tikanga; the product of biculturalism where resources create those whose job is being an ethnicity and creating an official identity.

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