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1 March 2018

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43 Comments

  1. David

     /  March 1, 2018

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12003652

    Hosking is writing his finest work at the moment but I wish everyone would just keep quiet and not point out that nothing is being done because none of the policies were thought through. Leave National Lite to do the right thing…nothing and our rockstar economy can keep rolling on and our press gallery can write about babies, vogue, Gayford as they complete their metamorphosis into the Womens Weekly.

    • duperez

       /  March 1, 2018

      How tragic is it that when your finest work has you saying, “The leader walks on water, the beauty of the miracle laid out each day by a besotted media who long ago forgot the word objectivity.”

      This is Mike Hosking. This is who would have waited on the boat in the harbour expecting John Key to walk out to him. Is that as good as it gets?

  2. Corky

     /  March 1, 2018

    Good and bad news for gun haters. There are teachers already carrying arms and training in the way I suggested on this blog. They don’t seem to mind being armed, contrary to ignorant posters such as Kitty who believe all teachers abhor guns. I have no doubt most teachers don’t want to be armed, and they shouldn’t be. I can respect that. But you have to deal with reality.

    http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2018/02/florida-university-to-be-case-study-for-armed-teachers-in-us-schools.html.

    The good news for gun haters. This company also has choice under the American constitution. God bless the American way.

    .http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2018/02/us-gun-shop-stops-selling-assault-rifles.html

    • Joe Bloggs

       /  March 1, 2018

      And the inevitable outcome of arming teachers is that teachers themselves become rogue shooters… as evidenced overnight in Georgia.

      http://wgno.com/2018/02/28/armed-teacher-arrested-after-shooting-at-georgia-high-school/

      • Corky

         /  March 1, 2018

        Teachers don’t have to be armed, by policy or law, to become a rogue shooter. Your argument is specious.

        • Gezza

           /  March 1, 2018

          Great isn’t it. Now the kids’ll be too scared to go to school in case they get shot by their teacher.

      • David

         /  March 1, 2018

        They will also become the first one shot.

        • Gezza

           /  March 1, 2018

          He wasn’t shot. He’s in custody. You’re argument is specious. Apparently.

          • Gezza

             /  March 1, 2018

            * Your

          • Joe Bloggs

             /  March 1, 2018

            bwahaha – lovin’ your specious style there Gezza,

          • David

             /  March 1, 2018

            I meant if the teacher is armed they will be the first one shot…because they are armed

            • Gezza

               /  March 1, 2018

              Oh. Shot by who? A mass shooter? Another armed teacher? Trump? The police? It could all get really messy, this. It hasn’t got off to a good start.

            • Joe Bloggs

               /  March 1, 2018

              “if the teacher is armed they will be the first one shot…because they are armed”

              But they’re a teacher, and according to trump they need to be armed…

              See the flaw in your logic? Anyone who’s armed becomes a target for police or other armed teachers: “they will be the first one shot…because they are armed”

            • Patzcuaro

               /  March 1, 2018

              My concern with arming teachers is that they may start shooting uncooperative students. Have you done your homework, no, bang, next.

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  March 1, 2018

      Corky, I have never said that (needless to say) If you are going to invent things that people are supposed to have said or believe, try to make them remotely credible and not obvious inventions. You surely realise that nobody would imagine that I would say that.

      You also seem not to know the difference between a school and a university.

      As usual, straw men abound in your rants.

      You ignore the fact that someone with a gun in their hand, ready to go, will have shot the person who has to pull theirs out, release the safety catch and fire before they have had time to do this. This has been proved.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  March 1, 2018

        I somehow suspect that the guns in schools issue has not been affected by YOUR suggestions.

  3. Corky

     /  March 1, 2018

    The NRA boycott list so far

    Alamo Rent a Car
    Avis
    Allied Van Lines
    Best Western
    Budget
    Chubb Insurance
    Delta Air Lines
    Enterprise Rent-a-Car
    First National Bank of Omaha
    Hertz
    MetLife
    North American Van Lines
    Norton
    Paramount Rx
    SimpliSafe
    Symantec
    TrueCar
    Wyndham Worldwide

    • unitedtribes2

       /  March 1, 2018

      Funny mostly transport firms. Wonder why that would be.

  4. Griff

     /  March 1, 2018

    Jaguar I-Pace 2018 will get its global premiere this week.

    After years of hype and development the all-electric car will finally be unveiled.

    The car manufacturer will live stream the EV launch live at 18:00 GMT on March 1st.

    The NZ site for the car is up and running already.
    https://www.jaguar.co.nz/jaguar-range/i-pace?gclid=Cj0KCQiAw9nUBRCTARIsAG11eieWTutfEa07u0MTgThogi-V6hLfyr1dwkm3Iqj4744zajoPVkRLDfsaArwoEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

    Friends of mine run jaguars.
    I am hoping they trade up to an I pace so I can take theirs for a spin.

  5. Joe Bloggs

     /  March 1, 2018

    and in this morning’s news from the swamp is the resignation of Hope Hicks, just a day after she admitted during her testimony to the House Intelligence Committee that trump sometimes required her to lie on his behalf – what a charming boss he must be.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/feb/28/hope-hicks-resigns-trump-communications-director-white-house

    Another day, another “resignation”…

    ❌HICKS 🚨🚨
    ❌PRICE
    ❌SCARAMUCCI
    ❌BANNON
    ❌GORKA
    ❌GIGICOS
    ❌COMEY
    ❌FLYNN
    ❌PRIEBUS
    ❌SPICER
    ❌SCHILLER
    ❌DUBKE
    ❌SHORT
    ❌WALSH
    ❌YATES
    ❌BHARARA
    ❌WH USHER

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  March 1, 2018

      Even the NYT is more balanced than you, Joe:

      • Joe Bloggs

         /  March 1, 2018

        Unlike you to resort to “fake news” sources Alan.

        And do tell, where is my comment unbalanced?

        – Do you dispute that Hicks has resigned a day after she testified to the House Intelligence Committee

        – Do you dispute she testified that trump sometimes required her to lie on his behalf?

        – Do you dispute that Washington’s a swamp?

        – Do you dispute the list of “resignations”?

        Or are you just trolling again?

    • High Flying Duck

       /  March 1, 2018

      “When specifically asked whether or not she was instructed to lie by the president, or the candidate, with regard to Russia, the investigation or our investigation, the answer to that question was no,” Rooney said. “And that’s our jurisdiction. Not whether or not he asked her to cancel a meeting for him, or something like that.”

      • Joe Bloggs

         /  March 2, 2018

        HFD you’re kidding yourself if you think that Hick’s tenure will be judged only for harmless, situational untruths like whether or not she cancelled a meeting for trump.

        trump’s daily communications are a word salad of falsehoods, defamations, and tall tales, and Hicks was his facilitator, defender, and explainer. She was always prepared to do his bidding, including when there was an ugliness to the bidding.

        Now she’s cut loose, there’s every likelihood that Mueller will pick her bones clean.

  6. PartisanZ

     /  March 1, 2018

    From the ‘Post-Colonial’ desk –

    NZHerald – ‘The time for reconciliation is over’: South Africa votes to confiscate white-owned land’

    …. without compensation

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12003693

    “We must ensure that we restore the dignity of our people without compensating the criminals who stole our land.” – Julius Malema, leader of the radical Marxist opposition party the Economic Freedom Fighters.

    • Gezza

       /  March 1, 2018

      Thandeka Mbabama from the Democatic Alliance party, which opposed the motion, said there was a need to right the wrongs of the past but expropriation “cannot be part of the solution”.

      “By arguing for expropriation without compensation, the ANC has been gifted the perfect scapegoat to explain away its own failure,” she said in a statement.

      “Making this argument lets the ANC off the hook on the real impediments — corruption, bad policy and chronic underfunding. Expropriation without compensation would severely undermine the national economy, only hurting poor black people further”

      Cope leader Mosiuoa Lekota said there was a “danger that those who think equality in our lifetime equates that we must dominate whites”, News24 reported.

      Malema has been leading calls for land confiscation, forcing the ANC to follow suit out of fear of losing the support of poorer black voters. In 2016, he told supporters he was “not calling for the slaughter of white people’ at least for now”.

      Civil rights groups have accused the EFF and ANC of inciting an ongoing spate of attacks on white farmers characterised by extreme brutality, rape and torture — last year, more than 70 people were killed in more than 340 such attacks.

      Ernst Roets, deputy chief executive of civil rights group Afriforum, said the parliamentary motion was a violation of the 1994 agreement in which the ANC promised minority interests would be protected post-apartheid.

      Earlier this month, Louis Meintjes, president of the farmers’ group the Transvaal Agricultural Union, warned the country risked going down the same route as Zimbabwe, which plunged into famine after a government-sanctioned purge of white farmers in the 2000s.

      “Where in the world has expropriation without compensation coupled to the waste of agricultural land, resulted in foreign confidence, economic growth and increased food production?” Meintjes said.
      …………
      It will be interesting to see what transpires in both the immediate aftermath & in the longer term. Mugabe’s doing the same thing was a disaster Zimbabwe still hasn’t recovered from.

      • PartisanZ

         /  March 1, 2018

        I agree and I think “interesting” is a very appropriate word to use Gezza.

        If one can set aside one’s transumptions about White minority and Black majority rule – and it sure is hard to argue things were better for Blacks under apartheid – the progress of Black majority rule becomes an interesting phenomena to simply observe dispassionately …

        It will be different from the ‘Population Registration Act’, racial classification and the Soweto Uprising but it won’t necessarily be worse …

        • Corky

           /  March 1, 2018

          You forgot Sharpsville.

          ”The progress of Black majority rule becomes an interesting phenomena to simply observe dispassionately.”

          The callousness of the Left has always fascinated me. Do you wonder why I gave John Minto a high five?

          ”It will be different from the ‘Population Registration Act’, racial classification and the Soweto Uprising but it won’t necessarily be worse .”

          Yeah, it will Whites don’t have that same tribal affinity. White apartheid was vicious and nasty…black apartheid will be nasty and murderous. Reminds me of NG Rascals.

          • PartisanZ

             /  March 1, 2018

            Apartheid was vicious and nasty AND MURDEROUS Corky …

            I agree its a pity if Black majority rule doesn’t do a whole lot better … viewed dispassionately …

            “The callousness of the Left has always fascinated me.”

            It sounds like you don’t believe in majority rule? Can this possibly be the case?

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  March 1, 2018

      The ANC has weakened so much through Zuma’s corrupt regime that it needs the loony Left to try to retain power. The EFF want to nationalise all land and rent it back to the previous owners where it is being used and appropriate it for Blacks where it isn’t. Because Marxism has been such a success everywhere as have their Governments.

  7. Corky

     /  March 1, 2018

    ”In 2016, he told supporters he was “not calling for the slaughter of white people’ at least for now”.

    I heard this on the radio. That prick no doubt will wait until the bloodlust of his people is high-
    maybe after a ritual slaughter of few ” Whities.” Then he will start a genocidal rampage that no one will be able to stop.

    Meanwhile Labour denied a motion from Seymour to discuss the issue…instead opting to congratulate our bronze medal winners. That’s understandable. You don’t criticise black people if you are liberal. The mind boggles as to what excuse Labour will use when the body count rises.

    I feel sorry for John Minto in all of this.

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  March 1, 2018

      Oh, do stop generalising and putting words in other people’s mouths.

  8. Kitty Catkin

     /  March 1, 2018

    Labour doesn’t want rodeos banned, because this cruelty is supposedly part of small town life.

    So were dogfighting, cockfighting and badger baiting. These are now illegal. Someday people will be astounded that rodeos were still going on the 21st century when other cruel treatment of animals had been made illegal long before.

  9. lurcher1948

     /  March 1, 2018

    One for the gun loving god bothers
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43231638

  10. PartisanZ

     /  March 1, 2018

    And from the ‘Globalisation’ desk – a taste of things to come for lil’ ole NZ if we defy China

    ‘Australia facing ‘diplomatic deep freeze’ from China’ – NZ Herald

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12004526

    ‘Beijing brings the war to universities’

    “According to the Australian Bureau of Statistics, education exports in 2017 were worth A$30.9 billion ($33.1b), and over 30 per cent of this revenue comes from Chinese students.

    Universities account for over two-thirds of Australia’s total export revenue from education.

    The move by China’s embassy could thus have severe economic consequences for Australia.”

    Have they no scruples these people … ?

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  March 1, 2018

      Just read that Auckland Uni has 7000 international students. That equates to maybe $250M fees. About 1/4 of total income. Not sure that the people who send their children overseas for education would take too much notice of Chinese Govt advice.

      • PartisanZ

         /  March 1, 2018

        $250 million university fees …. We won’t be pissing China off in a hurry then …

        The people who send their children overseas for education may not take much notice Alan but our government [of any ilk] probably will … China FTA, RCEP and all that …

        https://itsourfuture.org.nz//