Open Forum – Sunday

4 March 2018

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30 Comments

  1. sorethumb

     /  March 4, 2018

    New Zealand’s optimum population was reached 70 years ago, a professor of economics says.

    Tim Hazledine, professor of economics at the University of Auckland, told Jesse Mulligan New Zealand is over-populated.

    “When I was born it [population] was about 2 million. If we’d stuck at 2 million then houses in Auckland right now would be about the same as they are in Invercargill right now – about three or four hundred thousand.”

    https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/afternoons/audio/2018633743/tim-hazledine-nz-s-optimum-population-2-million

    I bet the Greens would disagree as they are all about moving and changing people (diversity). Full of malevolence.

  2. sorethumb

     /  March 4, 2018

    Peterson’s worldview is complex, although 12 Rules makes a heroic attempt to simplify it into digestible material. It might be encapsulated thus: “Life is tragic. You are tiny and flawed and ignorant and weak and everything else is huge, complex and overwhelming. Once, we had Christianity as a bulwark against that terrifying reality. But God died. Since then the defence has either been ideology – most notably Marxism or fascism – or nihilism. These lead, and have led in the 20th century, to catastrophe.
    https://www.theguardian.com/global/2018/jan/21/jordan-peterson-self-help-author-12-steps-interview

    • sorethumb

       /  March 4, 2018

      In our case the catastrophe is identity politics and compulsory tell rep on RNZ.

      • sorethumb

         /  March 4, 2018

        Te reo

      • Patzcuaro

         /  March 4, 2018

        How can a bit of Te Reo on RNZ be regarded as a catastrophe?

        • sorethumb

           /  March 4, 2018

          A tiny group controlling language. Against the will of the vast majority.

          • duperez

             /  March 4, 2018

            Life is about controlling everything for oneself and one’s mates isn’t it? The will of the rest, whether a majority or not is not really significant but merely a factor in the background.

            Taking cognisance of the views of the rest to the extent that it affects the way you operate might hint at ethereal things like democracy and socialism.

  3. Corky

     /  March 4, 2018

    The Aliens are coming. Damn, those American fly-boys can get mighty excited. Seems nothing has changed since WW2.

    The good news is a secret agency confirmed by the NYT – running the ‘Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program’ – will have our backs..yeah right.

    http://theleftcoastnews.com/index.php/2017/12/19/this-video-shows-an-encounter-between-a-navy-fa-18-super-hornet-and-an-unknown/

    • Gezza

       /  March 4, 2018

      After all these decades & with the extremely hi-res cameras available today, still all we ever get is fuzzy images & videos.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  March 4, 2018

        I wonder why that is.

        • Corky

           /  March 4, 2018

          I could tell you why that is. There are much clearer images if you want to find them. But why don’t you ask the ‘Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Programme.’
          Maybe all this was made up? A conspiracy between the government and the NYT to take our minds off President Trump? Lol.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  March 4, 2018

            I am not interested enough to bother. Yawn out loud.

            • Corky

               /  March 4, 2018

              I’m sure you aren’t interested. Such things aren’t part of your narrow consciousness… except if they can be made fun of. Newton rules.
              I bet that’s what the Pentagon is wishing for too.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  March 4, 2018

              Don’t be such a fool. If you could see the bookcases in my house, you would know that you’re talking nonsense. I have three sets of letters after my name. I have thousands of books floor to ceiling, literature from many centuries and several countries, books of history and politics, biographies and a bookcase of drama and poetry.

              I have two degrees in art, languages, literature and history. How many do you have ?

              I am not interested in conspiracy theories that cannot be proved. There may or may not be UFOs, but I wait for some sort of proof.

              Your interests are so narrow that you didn’t recognise the words of one of the best-known (but usually misquoted by people like you) quotations in literature.

              You still haven’t told us how many countries and languages you know.

            • Corky

               /  March 4, 2018

              You seem to have a high opinion of yourself. Maybe you shouldn’t ?

              ”I am not interested in conspiracy theories that cannot be proved. There may or may not be UFOs, but I wait for some sort of proof.”

              Obviously the import of what I posted escapes you. However, when I posted I knew it was to myself.. So, no offence taken.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  March 4, 2018

              What I said was a simple statement of facts. I passed no opinions either way. Anything like that is in your mind. How odd that you would imagine that this was meant to offend you You flatter yourself.

              You are forever saying that you think that people don’t understand what you have said, and trying to sound clever by doing so.

              Why are you writing posts to yourself ? That is rather odd.

              Do you answer yourself ?

              I wonder if you have, in fact, any knowledge of languages except an imperfect one of English and have ever been to any other country.

            • Corky

               /  March 4, 2018

              ”You are forever saying that you think that people don’t understand what you have said, and trying to sound clever by doing so.”

              No, I said you don’t understand what I said. Obviously you still don’t.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  March 5, 2018

              If you are stupid enough to think that, there would be no point in trying to make you see sense. The only reason that anyone might have for not understanding you is that what you said makes no sense at all. It’s all but gibberish.

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  March 4, 2018

      There are times when one has to be a nimby if one owns a house whose value will plummet if a lot of state houses are built nearby. The problems of these are too well known to need to be repeated. HNZ told our council that some vacant land in my street was to be covered with state houses, and the residents’ reaction was predictable. It proved to be wrong information, thank goodness.

      Perhaps the Ardern/Gaymore family will prove that they really are concerned for the people and go and live in such an area. Or invite needy people to live in their large new house. Yeah, right.

      • Gezza

         /  March 4, 2018

        That’s a bit unreasonable. When one is a Prime Minister one doesn’t live amongst the hoi polloi, the masses, the common people, the rank and file, the lower orders, the commoners, the third estate, the plebeians; the mob, the proletariat, the common herd, the rabble, the riff-raff, the great unwashed, the ragtag and bobtails, the plebs, the proles, or the peasants.

        One visits them, from time to time. Preferably for not too long.

      • robertguyton

         /  March 4, 2018

        As the Key’s did, needless to say.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  March 4, 2018

          John Key did. And it’s Keys, not Keys.

          It looks as if four PDTs wouldn’t mind a state housing estate in their street.

      • sorethumb

         /  March 4, 2018

        The politicians seem badly out of touch because 1. Under MMP they can blame it all on coalition
        2. Journalists control the news, as when Tracy Watkins asks Simon Bridges opinion on “issue that concern you” but excludes immigration.
        3. RNZ is bias to full capacity [reference Smart Talk series]

  4. Kitty Catkin

     /  March 4, 2018

    I can’t believe that 3 news thought that the Police would discuss someone’s reason for being turned down for the Police with a reporter.

    My guess is that it’s because she has an ex and a cousin with convictions, which might lead to conflicts of interest.

  5. sorethumb

     /  March 4, 2018

    On the civil liberties issue there was a sea change with Rodney King and the video recorder.
    You just can’t deal with some people civily – that’s why people have paid gangs to deal with those sort of neighbour’s. In Asian countries the police would just go in. Any one filming would have the camera covered in (their own) faeces.

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  March 4, 2018

      Asia is a huge continent with many different countries. I doubt if the police behave like clones in all of them.

  6. sorethumb

     /  March 4, 2018

    That high density housing is also a step back in quality of life. My friend gets depressed looking for a house as whenever he goes to an open home the Chinese have converged (Christchurch ). Highly skilled of course. Like the ones in the dirty buses currently opposite Crown Plaza in Queenstown.

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  March 4, 2018

      As they are such a small % of the population, this seems odd. Why doesn’t your friend go to the estate agents and avoid open homes ?