Census Tuesday, and that ethnicity question

Census forms – online or old fashioned paper – are due to be completed by tomorrow, Tuesday 8 March 2018.

If you want paper forms then it’s a bit late to request them given how slow post has become these days.

I did mine online last night: https://www.census.govt.nz/

It was quick and simple. I had to check which side of an earnings band division I was in but otherwise most answers were easy to answer.

The only contentious question was on ‘ethnic group’. There was no standard option for me so I had to tick ‘Other’. I then stated ‘New Zealander’.

Going by the 2013 census that puts me in a small minority, just 2.1% of people in Otago were New Zealanders, and 1.6% nationwide.

Stats NZ on Ethnicity:

Statistics about ethnicity give information by the ethnic groups that people identify with or feel they belong to.

Ethnicity is a measure of cultural affiliation. It is not a measure of race, ancestry, nationality, or citizenship. Ethnicity is self perceived and people can belong to more than one ethnic group.

An ethnic group is made up of people who have some or all of the following characteristics:

  • a common proper name
  • one or more elements of common culture, for example religion, customs, or language
  • unique community of interests, feelings, and actions
  • a shared sense of common origins or ancestry, and
  • a common geographic origin.

Apparently we all have a common geographic origin – Africa. But I don’t identify with Africa at all. and I don’t self perceive a European identity or belonging either.

53 Comments

  1. robertguyton

     /  March 5, 2018

    Ent

  2. Patzcuaro

     /  March 5, 2018

    Ethnicity over time will become more complicated as people inter marry, New Zealander may become more common.

  3. sorethumb

     /  March 5, 2018

    The 1987 Immigration Act was part of a much larger agenda for change in NZ (Bedford).
    NZrs views were not conducive to more diversity (Parr 2000) but in any society their are people who know what’s best

  4. sorethumb

     /  March 5, 2018

    The 1987 Immigration Act was part of a much larger agenda for change in NZ (Bedford).
    NZrs views were not conducive to more diversity (Parr 2000) but in any society their are people who know what’s best such as Green Party staffer David Cormack: “you don’t do what the people want. You do what’s right” (The Nation)

    • sorethumb

       /  March 5, 2018

      Treasury paper 14 – 10. Consensus amongst policy makers “other things more important than population imcrease” for economy. = hasn’t made us better off.

  5. Gezza

     /  March 5, 2018

    I did mine online last night: https://www.census.govt.nz/
    Snap! Me too. Ma kept banging on at me that I’d forget so it’s got her off my back!

    On the ethicity question I ticked New Zealand European because my ancestors were Irish & Norwgeian. I noticed none of the other ethnic options had “New Zealand” in front of it, so somebody needs a slap.

    I’m sure they used to argue that ethnicity stats were needed for things like estimating health services. The arguments for the ethnicity question seem to be getting weaker. Must be quite complicated statistical analysis required when people tick mutiple ethnicities.

    It was easier & quicker to complete online than I thought it would be. There seemed to be a lot fewer questions in this census than previous ones. Advertising’s been quite low key. It’ll be interesting to see how the completion rate compares to previous years.

    • Zedd

       /  March 5, 2018

      tautoko Gezza

      I did mine on friday, online..
      I also ticked; NZ Euro, (born in UK) but there was an ‘other’ option, which I heard a guy on talkback say he ticked & typed in ‘Pakeha/NZer’ 🙂

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  March 5, 2018

        I put myself down as European Jewish, which was the nearest. My parents arrived two years before I was born.

        Adding something is pointless, it will be invalid, I suspect. Better to lobby for this to be added.

        I was a Census Collector once. Never again. Most people were good, but a few weren’t. The odd one didn’t want people to read their details, but the collectors just glance through to make sure that all the categories have been ticked, and read so many that they are unlikely to be fascinated by or remember any one of them.

        • Zedd

           /  March 5, 2018

          Im guessing, IF there are more than a few of any particular ‘ethnicity’ then it maybe noted.. else just added to NZ Euro list ?

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  March 5, 2018

            I don’t know. It might just be left out. I think that Pakeha should be included.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  March 5, 2018

              Who on earth objects to that ? It won’t be compulsory. I take it that it’s pure spite because I said it. Nobody downticked Zedd for saying the same thing. Sad, sick people, it’s sad that there are four of you around.

            • phantom snowflake

               /  March 5, 2018

              Here, have an uptick. I doubt that it’s spite; there are people here who are very sensitive about the term ‘Pakeha’ and insist that it’s insulting or racist. Quite puzzling really. (Zedd was reporting someone else’s use of the term whereas you were promoting its use yourself.) You appear to have struck a nerve. Great!

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  March 5, 2018

              I find that many things I say are downticked, no matter what they are. It’s rather childish.

              Most people I know say Pakeha ! I think it’s racist to have it in lower case.

            • phantom snowflake

               /  March 5, 2018

              My opinion, which counts for nought, is that this site would be better off without up and down ticks. The Standard for example is not diminished by their absence. Please keep in mind that those who downtick you are not necessarily commenters here; there are likely many who read this site but never comment.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  March 5, 2018

              I agree. I was thinking the same thing earlier !!!
              Pete ???

              It’s a small thing, but there are times when it’s obviously personal.

              Some sites just have ‘like’, of course.

            • I’ll check but I think that is the only option available.

              I’m happy to put the question to everyone whether the ticking serves a useful purpose or not. I’m ambivalent. I’ll do a post about it tomorrow morning.

            • PartisanZ

               /  March 5, 2018

              I agree Miss Kitty. Pakeha should be included with a capital ‘P’ …

              Being a New Zealander … sorry, Aotearoa New Zealander of European descent … is really the only way anyone can be Pakeha anywhere in the world …

              We should be pleased as punch about that!

              Look, maybe count yourself lucky there are only 4 downtickers …?

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  March 5, 2018

              4 smallminded PDTs.

              Pakeha has become a proper name, it’s not like white or black.

              Oh, it’s so HOT ! still hitting 30o.

            • PartisanZ

               /  March 5, 2018

              Downticking might constitute an outlet for some people who would otherwise viciously comment ad-hom …?

              Personally I think its meaningless … but I love it when i WIN!

            • Gezza

               /  March 5, 2018

              Downticking might constitute an outlet for some people who would otherwise viciously comment ad-hom …?

              Nah. Lazy bastards.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  March 5, 2018

      The entity question is as much an indulgence in fantasy as the religious question. Like many others there is absolutely no need or justification for trolling the entire population to obtain a number that is subject to the whim of the respondents.

      Anybody who thinks the number actually means anything is stupid enough to be an academic or a bureaucrat.

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  March 5, 2018

        Entity -> ethnicity

      • PartisanZ

         /  March 5, 2018

        Again Alan, its a British thing … and an English language thing …

        Words limit things to begin with … and the use of limited words limits them beyond compare.

        I guess its fair to say that someone who does not attend ‘service’ at some form of organised religion has “no religious affiliation” … but does this tell us anything about people’s human compassion and spirituality?

  6. phantom snowflake

     /  March 5, 2018

    No Right Turn provides a paranoid view of the census, which aligns with my concerns.

    https://norightturn.blogspot.co.nz/2018/02/feeding-big-brother.html

    • Gezza

       /  March 5, 2018

      i think the government AND online entities compiling & exchanging masses of data on us all is a concern everybody shares.

      • phantom snowflake

         /  March 5, 2018

        That’s a subject I have often discussed within my wider family, and I have found that those in their teens and early twenties (The Facebook Generation?) just don’t seem to care. While there are a range of measures we can employ in relation to “online entities”, the only options I have regarding the census are: (a) comply and thus submit to an ‘authority’ I regard as illegitimate, (b) give false answers, or (c) do not participate in the census. Now where’s that three-sided coin?

        • Gezza

           /  March 5, 2018

          I have a feeling the non-completion rate is going to be high this time. Possibly because I get so many online or email requests to evaluate services I’ve received & I sometimes feel like my privacy’s been invaded. Maybe I’ll be proved wrong, but I think having to do it online may cause quite a few people to not bother for various reasons.

          • phantom snowflake

             /  March 5, 2018

            I didn’t participate last time, without consequence. I found it interesting to read Stats NZ “Prosecution approach for the 2018 Census.” Prosecution can depend on Stats NZ staff’s assessment of mental wellbeing and attitude.

            11. If the refusal relates to a person whose behaviour gives the Prosecution team reason to question their mental capacity or their wellbeing, no further action will be taken

            15. Priority will be given to prosecutions which include the following factors:
            15.1 a strong negative attitude exhibited (including but not limited to abusive or
            threatening conduct), particularly towards Stats NZ staff or contractors;

            https://www.stats.govt.nz/assets/Uploads/Legislation-page/Prosecution-policy/stats-nz-prosecution-approach-2018-census.pdf

            So, basically, if I don’t complete the census and am contacted by Stats NZ all I need to do is act crazy and be friendly. In other words just be myself!

            • Gezza

               /  March 5, 2018

              You sound pretty subversive sometimes. So they probably already know everything about you anyway? Check the back of your neck just under the hairline for a microchip. That’s where mine was.

            • phantom snowflake

               /  March 5, 2018

              Thanks but I already have a full complement of delusions.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  March 5, 2018

              The census forms are NOT recorded with names on them. Nobody’s remotely interested in that. What they are for is statistics and to give a picture of not only the population as a whole but different areas so that the needs of the population can be calculated.

              The news had a story about how much money communities miss out on because of people not filling out the census – $50,000,000 in one case (Manukau ?)

              I hope that those who don’t fill out a census don’t squawk when the place where they live doesn’t provide for their needs because the government doesn’t know that these are there; things like care for old people. If the oldies don’t exist, according to the census, there’s no need to spend money on them.

            • phantom snowflake

               /  March 5, 2018

              Kitty: As my link at No Right Turn above explains, data can be matched to individuals, and can be done so legally at present if a ‘Production Order’ is made. It’s believable that future, more totalitarian governments may routinely match the data.
              But thanks for your impassioned defence of the status quo anyway.

            • Corky

               /  March 5, 2018

              Kitty. Have you heard of serial numbers, both visible and not.?
              It’s a little like when you apply for a passport. They take fingers prints from your application form. Soon it will be DNA.( that’s a guess)

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  March 5, 2018

              Yes, I have heard of serial numbers, visible and invisible, thank you.

              Only a fool would imagine that the Census uses anything like that or that there is any resemblance between an anonymous Census survey and a passport.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  March 5, 2018

              I would guess that Corks doesn’t have a passport. They can be done online. The image of people at the passport office carefully opening the applications (with gloves on to avoid their own prints) and taking copies of any fingerprints thereon is too bizarre for words. It’s ridiculous. What would be the point ? Any prints would be likely to be blurred and useless. What if there are none ? Where on the passport are the fingerprints ?

              When one goes to a foreign country, they look at the photo on the passport, as Corky woulf know if he had been anywhere.

            • Corky

               /  March 5, 2018

              ”Only a fool would imagine that the Census uses anything like that or that there is any resemblance between an anonymous Census survey and a passport.”

              And you say you were once a Census collector. I reckon you tell so many ‘porkies’ you forget about consistency. Remember, to be a good bs artist, you need to have a good memory.

            • Corky

               /  March 5, 2018

              ”They can be done online. The image of people at the passport office carefully opening the applications (with gloves on to avoid their own prints) and taking copies of any fingerprints thereon is too bizarre for words. It’s ridiculous. What would be the point ? ”

              No very bright are you. All fingerprints are taken off a given form. OBVIOUSLY THERE WOULD BE MORE THAN ONE SET OF PRINTS. All those prints would be associated with that name. Obviously, if you got flattened by a car in France they could run those prints associated with your name..and by a simple process of elimination…well, you are educated. Have a guess.

              What if there are none ? Well, there are none. We are talking about peripheral information that may, or may not, be germane to standard ID.

              Please comment on things you know about.

            • Corky

               /  March 5, 2018

              *Not*

  7. Corky

     /  March 5, 2018

    I agree with Gezza. The completion rate is going to be poor, with a major review to follow.
    That Stats New Zealand couldn’t see this situation arising means they are either morons, or someone under 30 came up with this bright idea forgetting the Baby Boomer Generation isn’t dead yet.

    Probably someone under 30 because apparently census personnel will follow up on people who failed to complete a form. Talk about back to front !

  8. Alan Wilkinson

     /  March 5, 2018

    The census is largely useless information to a ridiculous level of accuracy collated by useless people for useless purposes.

    Almost all of it would be far more effectively and efficiently gathered by random surveying. The rest could be obtained from IRD and welfare datasets.

    • Gezza

       /  March 5, 2018

      Done yours yet?

      • PartisanZ

         /  March 5, 2018

        Told you Alan, didn’t I, below … it’s British, that’s why!

  9. PartisanZ

     /  March 5, 2018

    A very British thing a census …

    New Zealand European …

    • Gezza

       /  March 5, 2018

      In those days a decree went out from Emperor Augustus that all the world should be registered. This was the first registration and was taken while Quirinius was governor of Syria. All went to their own towns to be registered. Joseph also went from the town of Nazareth in Galilee to Judea, to the city of David called Bethlehem, because he was descended from the house and family of David. He went to be registered with Mary, to whom he was engaged and who was expecting a child.

      — Luke 2:1–5

  10. PartisanZ

     /  March 5, 2018

    Excellent prelude to Online Voting and regular Referendum and/or Plenary Surveys in the coming New Constitutional Democracy …

    BRING … IT … ON !!!

    New Constitutional Democracy: Te Ture a te Iwi o Aotearoa New Zealand ….

    That won’t be able to avoid ‘Pakeha’ …

    • Gezza

       /  March 5, 2018

      How come?

      • PartisanZ

         /  March 5, 2018

        Cos it’ll be a uniquely Aotearoa New Zealand thing … not Westminster British

        • Gezza

           /  March 5, 2018

          Yeah, I think that’s quite some way off. They’ll have to define Pakeha somewhere. They might even need to define Maori, by that time?

          • PartisanZ

             /  March 5, 2018

            Just under 22 years now … as of 6 Feb 2018 …

            “They say in the end its the blink of an eye” – Jackson Browne ‘The Pretender’

            I reckon it’ll need to be in place and functioning by then.

            Pakeha = New Zealander of European descent

            • Gezza

               /  March 5, 2018

              They’ll have to define everyone else who’s not a NZer of European (or Maori) descent too then. Yeah, I’m not seeing what you’re advocating happening in 22 years, but who knows what the future holds.

            • PartisanZ

               /  March 5, 2018

              I think there’s enough people already – and an ever growing number – with the foresight to see that our 2040 Bicentennial will be fucked without New Constitutional Democracy: Te Ture a Iwi o Aotearoa New Zealand …

              It will be very interesting to see what happens next year, 2019, being the Sestercentennial of Captain James Cook’s arrival in “New Zealand waters” … I wonder what the uptake will be like? Will commemorations be ethnically divisive?

              I see there’s a part-time job advertised as the Te Tai Tokerau director of this ‘celebration’, with a full-time CEO-and-Managing Director-like brief that includes obtaining funding to pay your own wages …

              Hopefully the event is a Charitocracy dream-come-true …?

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