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  1. PartisanZ

     /  March 6, 2018

    From the ‘Super City’ desk –

    ‘Auckland Council closing local service centres’ – NZHeraldo

    “Rodney councillor Greg Sayers said the spending on flash offices in the heart of Auckland’s most expensive real estate is a waste of money and offensive to ratepayers … Centralising rural services at urban Albany will further alienate rural communities, many of whom would have to travel long distances from as far north as Wellsford, he said …

    “It’s not what we thought we were getting when we signed up for the Super City,” Presland said. Henderson-Massey Local Board chairman Shane Henderson said: “Henderson is a no-brainer. It’s on the train line.”

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12006827

    • PDB

       /  March 6, 2018

      Should have been councils for south, central and north. The supercity was but a money grab by central Auckland to increase its ratepayer base in order to fund their pet projects.

  2. David

     /  March 6, 2018

    Interesting outcome in the Italian election, the centre left has been spanked and chucked out and now we have the wait to see who can form a government under their proportional system. The biggest winner is 5star which has said it wont do coalition deal but they want to deport 500,000 immigrants and are not exactly fans of the EU and until recently wanted out of the Euro. The League came 2nd and they want to dump the Euro and deport 600,000 immigrants and everyones favorite “times up” candidate Burlesconi has done reasonably well.
    Italy has massive debts, very little growth, needs restructuring, has chronic levels of unemployment and has been overwhelmed by middle east and african immigration..its a bit of a mess. Europe is a mess and if the EU carry on the way they have been the whole project will implode, Merkels invitation for mass migration has been a bloody disaster and the reaction is a bit of a slow burn but it appears few people want or know how to cope with mass migrations of totally different religious adherents.

    • Corky

       /  March 6, 2018

      The left are hard learners, Dave. Our lot will, if National get their act together, be spanked at the next election. They’ll be confused and wonder what happened. Sometimes common sense really is rocket science.

      • Blazer

         /  March 6, 2018

        meaningless conjecture,not even worth…posting.

        • Corky

           /  March 6, 2018

          Meaningless conjecture is a speciality of yours, Blazer. So I will take your criticism seriously..

        • David

           /  March 6, 2018

          Well after reading your erudite reply Blazer and all the pertinent points you make I stand corrected and am humbled to be in the presence of your towering intellect.

      • David

         /  March 6, 2018

        In Europe the left have been spanked hard in the last 18 months and are set to lose further ground going forward, its immigration which is their undoing. When Germany has no go zones, Sweden is the rape capital of Europe and the coppers warn about hand grenade attacks, Austria voted in their President, Hungary is fencing off, Macron is pushing for mass deportations, Germany,s AFD won 25% of the vote, that Dutch guy almost won, Brexit and now Italy,s result there is a clear theme emerging.
        Immigration affect poorer areas more and take the jobs of the least able to compete and historically its been the left who are supposed to look after that constituency, the left have become elitists who label anyone who raises concerns as racist and inevitably if you stop people being able to talk about issues then all you are left with is to react to them.

        • Joe Bloggs

           /  March 6, 2018

          A healthy dose of fake news there David… take just one of your misleading claims – that Sweden is supposedly the rape capital of Europe (one of Nigel Farage’s/UKIP’s ultra-rightist lies):

          For one thing, Sweden tallies each incident as a separate case, even if the accusation, perpetrator and victim are the same, a practice that may create confusion on an international level. Crimes are also counted at the point of contact with police, not when convictions are made. This could make the level of crime appear higher than it is when viewing raw data without qualifying information. Brå researcher Johanna Olseryd told us:

          In Sweden we count as many crimes as [the victim] can specify. So we’ve had cases with women who had a diary so they can say, ‘I’ve been raped within this marriage 400 times.’ That will result in 400 reported crimes. That also contributes to the difficulties in our statistics with comparing from month to month, or comparing one area to another, because a single case of that sort will turn the statistics upside down.

          https://www.snopes.com/crime-sweden-rape-capital-europe/

          In Sweden, the legal definition of sexual assault is much broader than it is in the U.S. and even other European countries. While the rate of rape has remained steady in Sweden over the past decade, changes to the legal definition of sexual assault in 2005 and 2013 resulted in increases in reported sexual assault — because more acts now fall within the legal definition and are therefore officially counted. Thus, the standard of accountability has increased.

          What’s more, in Sweden, people are supported when reporting such violations. Women pay lower social costs for going public with a rape allegation — and are very unlikely to be shamed, retaliated against, or put on a parallel trial, as often happens in the U.S.

          These two processes are mutually reinforcing. When a victim of a crime like a rape or police brutality report allegations to the Swedish government, these allegations are collected, tracked, investigated, and ultimately adjudicated in a court of law. Swedish citizens know this. It encourages them to come forward with information. The principle of public access means that nearly every allegation of a crime or of government misconduct is recorded and made publicly available. Citizens in Sweden can use this information to hold their government accountable.

          Paradoxically, Sweden’s openness makes it appear more troubled than it is

          https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/02/24/no-sweden-isnt-hiding-an-immigrant-crime-problem-this-is-the-real-story/?utm_term=.5d9db4e20bae

          • High Flying Duck

             /  March 6, 2018

            Who’s being misleading Joe? Yes it is difficult to compare with other countries, due to reporting differences, but sexual criumes in Sweden are not a diminishing issue – and the Government is not too keen to find out why…
            ______

            “The last time there was an official report breaking down crime statistics by immigrant status and origin was in 2005, for the years 1997 to 2001. These statistics confirmed that immigrants were significantly overrepresented amongst offenders, in particular in committing violent crimes. The foreign born were four times more likely to be suspects in homicide cases than those with Swedish origin, and 4.5 times more likely to be suspects in rape cases.

            Since then, Swedish criminologists and politicians have made sure that no new statistics have been released. Not a single recent research study in Sweden has attempted to estimate the causal effect of immigration on sexual assault or homicide rates. Parliament recently defeated a motion to produce up-to-date crime statistics based on national origin.”

            ______

            “The number of rapes reported to authorities in Sweden increased by 10 percent in 2017, according to new preliminary figures from the country’s National Council on Crime Prevention (Brå).

            The number of sex crimes reported in Sweden increased by eight percent (1,600 reports), with the number of reported rapes in particular increasing by 10 percent – 663 reported rapes more than 2016 and reaching a total of 7,230.

            Reported instances of sexual molestation also grew by three percent (326 reports) to 10,800 and reported instances of sexual coercion and exploitation by seven percent (1,330 reports).

            According to Brå, the number of reported rapes in Sweden increased by 34 percent in the decade between 2008 and 2017. Between 2005 and 2011 a steady increase was in part due to changes in sexual assault laws meaning more crimes previously classified as sexual exploitation were classified as rape. After 2011 the rate varied between a low of 5,830 and a high of 6,700 in 2014 before reaching 7,230 in 2017.

            https://www.thelocal.se/20180118/reported-rapes-in-sweden-up-by-10-percent

      • robertguyton

         /  March 6, 2018

        “They’ll be confused and wonder what happened.”
        Perfect description of National – still stunned and disbelieving, months after their defeat.

        • PDB

           /  March 6, 2018

          Sounds like you’re in denial Robert. With ‘National-lite’ in charge, the Greens sidelined & major election promises broken by this new mob it’s just business as normal until they actually try to change anything.

          • David

             /  March 6, 2018

            Guyton cracks me up PDB with his claims of denial while he sits there willfully ignoring that Ardern is changing nothing and his beloved Greens are now in the position of getting nothing but cant bitch and moan about it or take a stand on anything because Shaw took his position of power and panicked.
            Some say Shaw was personally compromised and had to tow the line which was quite a delicious bit of scuttlebutt

            • robertguyton

               /  March 6, 2018

              I reckon 9 years, David. ( years, then you might get another shot at it. Probably not though.

            • PDB

               /  March 6, 2018

              Don’t be too hard on Robert, he’ll start hitting the herbal tea hard if he actually realises his beloved left had sold out.

            • Corky

               /  March 6, 2018

              Herbal tea? Lefties drink something that has ‘positive vibes?’

            • robertguyton

               /  March 6, 2018

              I’ve “realised”, PDB, that my “beloved Left” are in power, firmly and fully. I’ll down a mug of steaming “Chamomile” tonight, with you and your discomfort, in mind.
              Cheers!

        • robertguyton

           /  March 6, 2018

          So it’s “National-lite” in Government and “National-out” in Opposition.
          I like it that way, PDB. Call ’em what you like, the Left won.

          • PDB

             /  March 6, 2018

            The left ‘won’ by bowing to Winston & his donors and then throwing out or watering down their election promises that were made to people like you – priceless!

            • robertguyton

               /  March 6, 2018

              We won by winning. You lost by a country mile!

            • robertguyton

               /  March 6, 2018

              PDB, your “didn’t really win” nonsense is hilarious! Pretending that National is still in power, in the form of their “Lite” arm, is equally funny – wot a wag you are! Look mate, National tanked, fell flat, failed to perform, burned out, fell by the wayside, deflated, underwhelmed, lost the plot and the election and has assumed the loser’s position and the bottom of the heap in a flaccid pile of blue goop, where they will molder for at least 9 years, probably longer, whining and grizzling about the injustice !!! As, no doubt, will you. Fun and games.

            • robertguyton

               /  March 6, 2018

              Oops! Me failed!

  3. Corky

     /  March 6, 2018

    Mikey giving Labour a good serve over foreign real estate investors. He suggests they listen to all objectors appearing before the select committee, and maybe put their ideology to one side. Not much chance of that, Mikey.

    Of note is the diverse back grounds of submitters… they aren’t all ‘rich pricks’.

    • Blazer

       /  March 6, 2018

      why worry about foreign RE ‘investors’…?Surely we haven’t already forgotten they make up only…3% of…buyers!!

    • David

       /  March 6, 2018

      Labour just signed the TPP which moved the threshold for OIA approval to 200million, double what it used to be, but getting jonny foreigner to go through a huge process to buy a 100k house in Mataura.

      • Blazer

         /  March 6, 2018

        why would he want a $100k house in…Mataura…your puzzle du jour.

        • David

           /  March 6, 2018

          No its puzzling why anyone would be bothered about stopping such a transaction.

    • lurcher1948

       /  March 6, 2018

      MIKEY is a brain dead old shock jock who really need to retire,Corky, and take his wife with him, HELL SHES BORING, i now listen to RADIO LIVE, he stutters and stammers but better than old crosseyes

  4. lurcher1948

     /  March 6, 2018

    What a laugh,Mike Hosking has had the oxygen sucked out of him and the NZME ZB morning show.The PM isn’t bothering to talk to him and he’s ranting. I think she should only talk with Radio Live.Mike Hosking would be out of a job quickly,and a damn good thing that would be….

    • Yet, weirdly then, she’s never too busy to do endless fluff interviews promoting herself and Clarke with foreign journalists or Women’s Magazines…..

      • Corky

         /  March 6, 2018

        Snigger. Understandable, Labours ideology is similar to a Women’s Magazine.. a glossy facade, but empty in the back rooms.

        • lurcher1948

           /  March 6, 2018

          You DONT like female PMs do you Corky but you seem keen on MEN pms,hummmm

          • Corky

             /  March 6, 2018

            You are losing the plot, Lurchy. Why do I have Lefties always pulling the ‘gay
            card’ on me? Have you forgotten, in your idealogy gay is cool.

            But if it makes you happy, fire away. But expect return fire.

      • duperez

         /  March 6, 2018

        “Never too busy to do endless fluff interviews” but not doing one with Hosking? You would seem to have the advantage on us in knowing her timetable and calendar and how and why she uses the opportunities, turns them down or simple isn’t available.

        Maybe Hosking needs to get on a bike and take a ride around the streets of Auckland to get in touch with a different world.

        • Corky

           /  March 6, 2018

          He rides and runs around Remuera. That’s why he’s always upbeat. The roses smell sweet and the cars are all new. And that’s New Zealand the way we want it.

        • Her doing these angelic, virtue-signalling fluff pieces is about her and Gayford’s personal branding and enrichment.

          • Blazer

             /  March 6, 2018

            as opposed to ‘brand Key’…bellend- stroking.

            • Even the most deluded Labourite can see that she’s done more interviews in four months than he ever did in 10 years

            • robertguyton

               /  March 6, 2018

              Jacinda’s very good at being interviewed. Doesn’t keep touching her nose, like Key did. Plus, she doesn’t have to keep putting out pants-fires, like Key had to – must have been distracting for him, till he got the hang of it!

          • High Flying Duck

             /  March 6, 2018

            You’re right Trav. The vilification of Charles Wooley for doing an interview that would have been fully vetted and approved of by Jacinda shows the media fixation.
            She was happy with it, precisely because it was a puff piece and she didn’t need to talk policy or justify anything her Government is doing.
            I think she was quite perplexed that people were offended by it, given it was all about her & Clarke and was quite specific that she’s attractive…what more should people need to know?

    • Corky

       /  March 6, 2018

      Maybe she has morning sickness, Lurchy? That will only wash until the baby is born. Then we’ll move on to PND. Then after that no excuses needed – it will be election defeat.

      • robertguyton

         /  March 6, 2018

        Mikey is morning sickness, by all accounts.

        • Corky

           /  March 6, 2018

          It’s fascinating, Robert. Everyone loves to hate Mikey. They can’t get enough of him. Maybe he’s the nations safety valve now that Campbell is a non-entity.

          • robertguyton

             /  March 6, 2018

            I’ve never watched or listened to him, Corky. That’s “enough” for me.

      • lurcher1948

         /  March 6, 2018

        In your dreams Corky, almost like Trump being respected by the world

        • Corky

           /  March 6, 2018

          Er, yes, Lurchy. Something like that.

    • lurcher1948

       /  March 6, 2018

      OOH NO Mr Hoskings ego is starting to get the better of him,Mikey personly insulting the acting PM Mr Davis isn’t going to help you get anyone to talk to you,…that silence you hear from the govt could be your job disappearing

    • High Flying Duck

       /  March 6, 2018

      The problem was Jacinda wanted to dictate the topics she would talk about and her office requires questions to be sent prior to the interview – something no other Prime Minister has required.
      That is definitely an ego out of control – but it’s not Hosking’s.
      It was telling that he was told Kelvin Davis had not been briefed on any of the major Labour Government policies so he could not come on to talk about them….

      • robertguyton

         /  March 6, 2018

        “The problem was Jacinda wanted to dictate the topics she would talk about and her office requires questions to be sent prior to the interview – something no other Prime Minister has required.”
        No other Prime Minister…
        Ha!
        Forgotten Key’s demands for just that??
        Goodness me…no other Prime Minister…
        Lordy!

        • High Flying Duck

           /  March 7, 2018

          I haven’t forgotten something that never happened Robert.
          Hosking was clear that Key, English, and Helen Clark before them had never censored interviews or required pre-briefing. If you have proof otherwise, put it up.

          • robertguyton

             /  March 7, 2018

            In the House, HFD.

            • High Flying Duck

               /  March 7, 2018

              I don’t think you understand how the house works Robert, if you think Key did that…
              I’m sure he ” addressed the question” on whatever he was asked as well as the current lot are doing.
              And this is about journalism and being held accountable by the 4th Estate.
              It’s a disgrace. Given your views on transparency and open government I’m surprised you’re defending it.

  5. Is Ms Woods merely political posturing and seeking a higher profile by sacking Wevers? Is she justified. Of course it’s important for a minister to have faith but ….it would appear from this article the story Labour are spinning is simply, well…….spin

    Figures provided by EQC show the public narrative about the Canterbury quake claims – that thousands of people have been languishing in limbo for years – is false. As of January 31, EQC had just over 2600 claims related to the 2010 and 2011 quakes – excluding the 400-odd that are involved in court action. Most of those claims were lodged over the last 12 months. Only 226 pre-date 2016.

    Wevers says early last year, EQC had a touch over 10,000 claims on its books. Within 12 months all but 750 had been dealt with. Many of the new claims, he says, relate to damage found after recent property purchases, of houses that have already been repaired or rebuilt.

    “But the public discourse is they’ve been seven years in limbo. Well that’s a complete mischaracterisation of what it is. And the other thing is that not all of these claims will result in claims being accepted.

  6. Gezza

     /  March 6, 2018

    The computer model of a tsunami from a 9 mag megathrust earthquake in the Hikurangi Trench is worth a look.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/nz-earthquake/101989915/megathurst-quake-could-bring-12mhigh-waves-to-nzs-east-coast

    • Er, thanks for that Gezza. Was enjoying my coffee and thinking positive thoughts until that little number.

  7. Never let us forget that Winston Peters is nothing if he is not a liar and that this is a matter of public record and censure. I’m opining here, but it’s my guess there will be more scandal around his party finances and possibly his entanglement with donors.

    Mr Glenn said he now regretted giving $100,000 to New Zealand First.

    That amount of money would have fed 3 million people through his charity foundation in India, he said.

    On Tuesday, Mr Glenn documented a trail of phonecalls and emails in evidence to Parliament’s privileges committee to support his claim that NZ First leader Winston Peters knew about his $100,000 donation.

    Mr Glenn also drew Mr Williams into the row, saying he consulted Mr Williams before agreeing to the donation.

    Mr Williams denies that claim.

    On Tuesday Miss Clark acknowledged the evidence against Mr Peters was “disturbing” – the first sign that she is now prepared to accept Mr Peters has not been telling her the truth and may have to sack him.

    She made it clear that Mr Peters’ future now rests on him rebutting Mr Glenn’s testimony when he appears before the privileges committee Wednesday night.

    However, the evidence supplied by Mr Glenn is damning, including telephone records linking Mr Peters to an email from the New Zealand First leader’s lawyer, Brian Henry, giving account details for the $100,000 deposit.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10531418
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/nelson-mail/news/621638/Angry-Glenn-lays-into-PM-Williams
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/sunday-star-times/features/decision-08/648382/Class-dismissed

  8. robertguyton

     /  March 6, 2018

    Bye, Steven (found hole, fell in).

    • lurcher1948

       /  March 6, 2018

      Is the National party the NEW MAORI PARTY, is that why the old rich white Joyce moving on

      • Corky

         /  March 6, 2018

        It’s called rejuvenation,Lurchy. And for you it’s bad bad news.

        • robertguyton

           /  March 6, 2018

          Yeah, Lurchy, Joyce’s exit is bad, bad news . Your gleeful laughter and shameless gloating is misplaced.
          Or not.

          • Corky

             /  March 6, 2018

            ”Your gleeful laughter and shameless gloating is misplaced.”
            Not misplaced..just thoughtless.

        • lurcher1948

           /  March 6, 2018

          Work hard corky,you are working hard paying my pension, yep agility last weekend and a demonstration(agility) at a country fair in Wainuiomata, showing people what our dogs can do, damn im RETIRED, RICH and FIT thanks labour,

          • Corky

             /  March 6, 2018

            Unfortunately what you say is true. My investments are paying for your unearned pension.

  9. Rejoice (re Joyce).

  10. Corky

     /  March 6, 2018

    Letwing trolls having a field day on the Whalers site re Joyce retiring. They wait ever so patiently for some fun. Makes me wonder what type of life these prats lead. Even more, what goes on in their twisted minds.

    • robertguyton

       /  March 6, 2018

      Gettin’ to ya, Corks, innit!

      • Corky

         /  March 6, 2018

        What gets me is we don’t have enough Righties with vacuous lives, who can hang out for months at a time on a Leftie blog waiting for the right moment to have some fun.
        I guess we should count ourselves lucky.. in some respects.

        • robertguyton

           /  March 6, 2018

          You’re here as often as I am, Corks! Rejoice!

        • robertguyton

           /  March 6, 2018

          And really? There are so many reJoycable moments these days: Key flies, English folds, Joyce bails … too easy….