Some tough love for the Green party

Ex political journalist John Armstrong has some views on Metiria Turei and her political crash and burn,  which is unlikely to go down well in the Green camp. Tough truths.

Metiria Turei could have said a lot during the seven or so months which have passed since her hugely dramatic and equally traumatic exit from politics.

Her ghost stalks the Greens, however. In particular, it is stalking the upcoming election of a new female co-leader to fill the vacancy created by her spectacular demise.

In some quarters of the party, Turei the Welfare Fraudster is both martyr and saint; a veritable Joan of Arc and Mother Theresa all rolled into one.

It was much easier to blame the media for her fate, however, than admit to the real reason why she had to quit.

Her consistent refusal to divulge any detail about the circumstances surrounding her fraud was tarnishing the party’s image.

The party’s stance was untenable. It was blaming the media for doing their job. It was saying it was okay for James Shaw to join the Opposition hunt for the scalps of Bill English and Todd Barclay, National’s errant former Clutha-Southland MP.

The application of similar scrutiny to Turei’s behaviour was somehow deemed out of bounds.

That’s fairly typical of Green supporters, in my experience. They are very critical of people and ideas they disagree with, but get almost apoplectic when their party or MPs are put under scrutiny.

Turei’s downfall was the first time in a very long time that the Greens had felt the heat of the media blowtorch on its highest setting.

Now that they are party to government, such bouts of relentless questioning and grilling by the media will be the norm. The Greens can expect it to occur on anything and everything no matter how big or small or how important or trivial.

They really wanted to finally be a part of a Government. Now they are in power they have to expect they will be put under more scrutiny – they were generally given a very easy time when in opposition, so the scrutiny of power is coming as a bit of a shock to some.

The question is whether the Greens have the necessary political management mechanisms in place to ensure the party is not an accident constantly waiting to happen.

The omens are not good. The party’s handling of the New Zealand First-instigated legislation which will block MPs from party-hopping has been as shambolic as it has been shabby.

Perhaps they (the Green Party and their MPs) will learn how to deal with being in awkward political situations that inevitably occur when in Government, and the scrutiny that goes with the territory, but those learnings are likely to be lagging or lacking in the rank and file.

One senior party figure should be exempted from such accusations of complacency, however.

He suggests that Julie Anne Genter is unusually realistic for a Green and would make a good replacement for Turei as co-leader. More on that in Green leadership – sickly sweet political correctness versus political realism.

29 Comments

  1. Corky

     /  March 9, 2018

    It will be interesting to see how the Greens fare at the next election. As Labour implodes, will the Greens be sucked in, or will their general support stay the same?

    As for Julie Anne Genter. She’s an unusual sheila. I like her. She may not be fluffy enough for the co-leader position.

  2. PDB

     /  March 9, 2018

    Turei was rightly slammed for telling a half-truth and being unwilling to tell the full story of her benefit fraud. Labour’s part in forcing her to resign by feeding information to their mates at radio NZ as to her true circumstances at the time of the fraud (which in turn resulted in the Greens coughing up a huge amount of votes to Labour) may never come out.

  3. Gezza

     /  March 9, 2018

    Personally I think if the government does score any points wid de general public for anything the Greens have been advocating, the credit is likely to go to Labour. Same with NZ First. policies. And they can ‘nicely not really blame’ any Green or NZF policy implementation shortcomings on those two parties.

    The Greens’ Open Diaries policy might get a favourable reaction – will be interesting to see how they fare in the next polls.

    Genter comes across to me as driven, & quite aggressive when challenged. It will also be interesting to see how she is after her baby arrives. But she’s also sharp & articulate, & her accent’s intriguing.

    • PDB

       /  March 9, 2018

      Ardern will veto her appointment – only enough MSM space for one baby.

  4. Zedd

     /  March 9, 2018

    I was picking Eugenie.. :/

    • Corky

       /  March 9, 2018

      A sage punt, Zedd.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  March 9, 2018

        How original – I don’t think.

        • Corky

           /  March 9, 2018

          Quite right. It’s something someone with no imagination would comment on. And you did.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  March 9, 2018

            Oh, change the record, you unutterable bore. The needle’s well and truly stuck on that one..Talk about a lack of imagination, you go on and on harping on something that is absolutely nonsensical and baseless under the illusion that if you say it often enough it will become clever. It won’t, of course. You have the charm and originality of a garden slug.

            I imagine that anyone called Sage learns to live with the witlessness of puerile remarks about their name from those too unimaginative to think of anything original. At least you admit that it’s ‘quite right’ that it was unimaginative to comment on Eugenie Sage’s name.

            You are pathetic in your envy of those better educated and more intelligent than you. Porcus asinus es, asinissimus es. Parvus, tardus et malus es.

            • Corky

               /  March 9, 2018

              Lol. Time for your Sherry..and a lie down. Rest that huge educated brain

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  March 9, 2018

              Pathetic little remark from a pathetic little person. You have a few childish insults and keep rotating them. They are old and boring and tired.

              Sherry is a generic name. so doesn’t need a capital. No prizes for guessing that the Corkheaded one doesn’t know its origin without googling it.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  March 9, 2018

              Fous le camp, M. Erde.

            • Corky

               /  March 9, 2018

              .

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  March 9, 2018

              Oh, get thee to the devil, and say I sent thee thither.

            • Corky

               /  March 9, 2018

              Yea go to hell, Hebrew Goy. Yea of complex tongues spitting lies like a heretic of pagan idolatry. Begone before thy sight. Yea blind me not.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  March 10, 2018

              Hebrew Goy ? A Goy is someone who is not a Jew, so that’s like saying a Pakeha Maori.

              Thy is your, so you are saying ‘begone from your sight.’

              Yea is not ye or you, it’s an archaic form of yes.

              What you wrote was
              ‘Yes go to hell, Hebrew Gentile. Yes of complex tongues ….begone from your sight. Yes blind me not.’

              It is a good idea to make sure that you know the meaning of words that you use. Otherwise there’s the risk that you will write gibberish.

              I don’t think that you really know what a heretic is from the context in which you use it.

            • Corky

               /  March 10, 2018

              I wont waste my time replying to all of your critique.

              But here’s two point explained. Hebrew Goy was my dig at you for all your bs regarding your ethnic identity. I lost track at Irish Jew. You would need to be very thick not to notice that slap. Did you?

              ”Complex tongues ” was a dig at your effort to show how educated you are. You quote stuff that you may, or may not know. To the average person it’s gibberish. I gave you your own medicine back..

              One other thing. I wanted something that sounded cooler than your lame quote. I delivered..using my imagination…something you don’t have.

              Gibberish? Well , that depends.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  March 10, 2018

              Most people don’t regard common languages like French as complex,.

              You are stuck on the idea that you are imaginative and that I, who have done so much writing and read so much, am not. Few would agree with you. Have you had any creative work published ?

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  March 10, 2018

              Irish Jew ? Where did I say that ? Those are your words. Gentile means non-Jew, not Irish. Please tell me that you are not that ignorant.

              You did not deliver anything except gibberish. Hardly my own medicine, Other languages may seem like gibberish to you, but they don’t to those who know them.The average person realises that there are languages other than English, and that these have a meaning. If you had learned them, you would know this, too. I can’t read Swahili or Japanese, but I don’t call them gibberish. . Of course I know the languages that I use myself. Those are my words, for the most part, not quotes.

              It’s not cool to write something like…

              Yes go to hell Hebrew Gentile..

              Yes of complex tongues….

              Begone before your sight,(???)

              Yes blind me not.

              That’s not a quote. It’s meaningless, it’s nonsense. It hardly takes much imagination to write drivel like that. It does take imagination to write something that is meaningful, and it takes imagination to write in other languages. You can barely write English. You think that Roman is a place.

              Quel cul t’es. Tete comme un trou ! Va t’en, fous le camp.

            • Corky

               /  March 10, 2018

              Please accept your lumps with good grace and move on. No one is interested in your convoluted explanations. Only me, and that’s just to have fun at your expense.

              Please remember, education isn’t intelligence. That’s why MENSA has culture fair tests…and why you’d probably fail to pass, while an African bushman once getting the hang of whats expected may pass.

              [This niggliness haas gone on too much for too long already. PG]

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  March 10, 2018

              I passed a Mensa test.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  March 10, 2018

              If you seriously imagine that an unintelligent person can have a university education, even at undergraduate level, I would suggest that you have little idea of what is required. One cannot simply regurgitate facts. Information has to be read, understood and analysed. The analysis and research have to be justified. By MA level, of course, it is much more intense, Think 20,000 word essays, footnoted and annotated with a description at the back of every book used. Independent and original thought must be backed up with reason and logic and a conclusion drawn.

              20,000 words is the length of a short book, by the way.

              Education is much more than rote learning.

            • Corky

               /  March 10, 2018

              I agree, Pete. But please see how this niggling starts. It’s not with me!

  5. robertguyton

     /  March 9, 2018

    “That’s fairly typical of National supporters, in my experience. They are very critical of people and ideas they disagree with, but get almost apoplectic when their party or MPs are put under scrutiny.”
    So true, that wot you almost writ, Pete

  6. robertguyton

     /  March 9, 2018

    “Now they are in power they have to expect they will be put under more scrutiny”
    Of course. Scrutiny is fine, but empty-of-fact, rabid anti-Green rhetoric such as displayed here by PDB et al is just laughable.

    • robertguyton

       /  March 9, 2018

      As seen here, for example:
      “Ardern will veto her appointment – only enough MSM space for one baby.”
      Vacuous. Infantile (pun – I’m trying to give PDB a little help – God knows he needs it.)

    • PDB

       /  March 9, 2018

      Sounding a bit desperate there Robert – when the Greens shit on their supporters and then supporters like yourself roll around in that shit happily then I’m happy for you!