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11 March 2018

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35 Comments

  1. Wow. The Blues came back to defeat the table topping Lions in Jo’burg, and the Warriors won their first NRL game of the season in Perth against the South Sydney Rabbitohs.

    And the Hurricanes beat the Crusaders.

    And France has just beaten England 22-16, so with Ireland beating Scotland they are the Six Nations champions.

  2. sorethumb

     /  March 11, 2018

    George Monbiot criticises Steven Pinker. On this I agree with him. Jordan Peterson also down plays population. Pinker and peterson seem to see environmentalism as a behavioural thing (baseless).
    http://www.monbiot.com/2018/03/09/contrary-to-reason/

  3. Corky

     /  March 11, 2018

    EMFs are once again being implicated in deleterious health stats. I personally know of six people over the last five years who have died from either cancerous or benign brain tumours.

    microwavenews.com/news-center/de-kun-li-miscarriages

    • Gezza

       /  March 11, 2018

      Hasn’t been on Aljaz tv either. Sometimes 1ewes picks up items of astronomical interest like this several days after it’s been shown on Aljaz, & even they will usually pick it up from BBC or a US channel.

  4. sorethumb

     /  March 11, 2018

    The Prime Minister should realise there is an old maxim that says if you want to be taken seriously, start talking seriously about serious things. There’s no doubt she is a genuinely good communicator, relaxed, funny and intelligent.
    http://www.noted.co.nz/currently/politics/why-are-jacindas-media-minders-casting-her-as-snow-white/

    so far she’s nothing more than a show host

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  March 11, 2018

      She should also remember that familiarity breeds contempt and keep a little distance between herself and the groupies. She’s the PM, not one of the girls.

  5. Missy

     /  March 11, 2018

    Over the last couple of days there has been a lot of virtue signalling, politicising, and smugness by some over International Women’s Day. In social media a lot of young women, men, and older women have gone on about modern women that they see as role models, something I find interesting as for me the women that inspired me weren’t leaders, they weren’t CEO’s or entertainers, and they aren’t modern, they were ordinary but they all did amazing things and they made a difference at times when women didn’t have the rights we do today. Anyway, I thought I would share a couple of those women that inspired me in my life and made me realise you don’t have to be like a man in order to be strong and to be inspirational.

    1. My Great Great Great Grandmother who was often left at home on her own to raise the children while her husband went out to find work. She took the plunge and emigrated from Scotland to Queensland, she lived where few white women were, and at one point she protected and shielded a young aboriginal woman from the chief of her tribe, and faced down the aboriginal chief and his warriors in order to protect a young woman. She was strong of character and she was a survivor, she was prepared to travel to the other side of the world on her own at a time when women didn’t travel on their own – she ended up getting married before she left, but her original plan was to go by herself, her husband just didn’t want her to go without him. 🙂

    2. My Grandmother who not only raised 8 kids of her own, one step son, but also dozens of foster children. She was widowed reasonably young and spent almost 40 years as a widow. She was a woman who scared all of her grandchildren, and inspired us all, she encouraged us to do what we wanted, and when we expressed any concern at to trying anything in life she always asked why we couldn’t do whatever it was. My Grandmother was practical and took no BS from anyone, and even the boys were never too old to get a clip around the ear from her, or be shamed into behaving better. She was a strong woman who taught me that you don’t have to be like a man to gain respect and be loved by all who meet you, and she also taught me to be myself regardless, that those who don’t appreciate who I am are not worth the bother.

    3. The last is pretty predictable, but I would not be a Kiwi girl if I did not find inspiration from Kate Sheppard, a woman who managed to successfully lead the campaign for women’s suffrage in NZ. She was a woman who believed in equality, and rights for all, perhaps one of the reasons that when NZ women got the vote it was all women over 21, unlike some other countries where it was limited to older women, and those with property.

    • Pickled Possum

       /  March 11, 2018

      Thanks Missy very good … No Great Post!.
      Kia kaha wahine toa

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  March 11, 2018

      A good post, Missy. So as a man, who has inspired me?

      1. My father, who was a quiet, very conscientious, rational and responsible father and husband. He struggled with a human problem that had no solution. He pursued his profession with supreme dedication and integrity. He died sadly young and his last words to me from his hospital bed were “Go home and look after your family, Alan”. I’ve done that.

      2. As a child, the books of Arthur Ransome who saw childhood as the time to explore, take risks and learn self-reliance, survival and courage while looking after each other.

      3. As a youth, the ideas and courage of Bertrand Russell who was never afraid to be different and to think past the popular and the conventional to find his own truth.

      4. As a young adult, the sardonic humour of Douglas Adams and his “Hitch-hikers Guide to the Galaxy”. It helped me recognise the Vogons all around us.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  March 11, 2018

        ‘Better drowned than duffers, if not duffers won’t drown.’ Arthur Ransome.

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  March 11, 2018

          Yep. The telegram that kicked it all off.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  March 12, 2018

            Blimmin’ funny, isn’t it ? Once read, never forgotten.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  March 12, 2018

              A good lesson for helicopter parents.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  March 12, 2018

              😀

              There were those then, of course. They have been around since parents have.

  6. Pickled Possum

     /  March 11, 2018

    “Meng Liu Foon is the current mayor of Gisborne, New Zealand. He is one of a handful of people of Chinese descent to have become a mayor in New Zealand. He is fluent in English, Cantonese, and Māori and he is determined to restore Poverty Bay to its original Māori name and said many people in the district were ignorant of why Captain James Cook called the area Poverty Bay”.

    https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/350042/overwhelming-response-to-poverty-bay-re-naming-proposal

    Turanga nui a kiwa or Gisborne I think you can use which name you want to but at the moment there s only 1 choice; legally and societaly, that is English.
    I have always referred to Turanga nui a kiwa as the name.
    It’s what I know and have been taught. Is my knowing irrelevant?

    “The Poverty Bay name change debate sparked national attention in 2013 when Kaiti Primary School in Gisborne started a campaign calling for the name to change to Tūranganui-ā-kiwa.”

    It’s the rangatahi-young people that will pull that rope with our culture on the waka back to shore … to Maori Reality.
    It has meaning, a spoken word has power and Poverty Bay just doesn’t cut it for me.
    To all the bald heads that say nah!!! been saying it all my life … well you can say it till your dead, that’s the great thing about name changes.
    Like Bob for Robert … Jack for John ????

    Ta maki Makau rau means Tāmaki with a hundred lovers, or Auckland
    I have heard both used frequently. If you can’t say it, pronounce it, don’t do it.

    Maori have been denied their culture Tikanga for such a long time and all it has caused is confusion, frustration with a hefty dollop of institutionism.
    Howz that all working out for the us?
    .

    • Corky

       /  March 11, 2018

      ”To all the bald heads that say nah!”

      You know that is a derogatory term Maori call Europeans. You should apologise to Europeans on this blog.

      • Pickled Possum

         /  March 11, 2018

        fark off dckster .. bald head has many meaning and obviously mine isn’t derogatory as yours!!! what does yours mean? In my world it means Tauiwi.

        • Corky

           /  March 11, 2018

          Bullshit..You know what it means. Don’t play semantics with Tauiwi. I have never heard a Maori use the word ”baldhead” in a non-derogatory way.

          I was pulled up by Pete for using the phrase ‘Kraut’. And Kitty for using the phrase
          ” Wet Back””

          Let me guess, it’s a free pass because you are Maori?

          • Pickled Possum

             /  March 11, 2018

            Well cor-key you haven’t spoken to every Maori in NZ
            Don’t be absurd with your semantics bro.
            Jailed Maori and non-Maori say bald head in the ugliest way.
            I cannot help it if that’s the only korero you know.

            • Corky

               /  March 11, 2018

              Then the only conclusion I can come to, given your previous ignorance about ‘ Bling Bling’ and other things Maori, is that you aren’t a Maori, but a troll taking racist cheap shots.along with a little piss taking.

            • Pickled Possum

               /  March 11, 2018

              I choose not to say Bling bling when talking about the pokies because bling bling belongs to the shiny jewellery that doesn’t adorn my fingers.
              And FYI bling bling is not Maori!!!!!
              It is you who are the raycist troll! You who isn’t Maori!
              How could some one with so much negativity be Maori!

              Some one who only knows about the stereotypical Maori and gives it life every chance your mean dried up heart desires it to be so.

              How very dare you! say I am not a Maori when you don’t even know me have never meet me and have absolutely no farken idea what a Maori is and what it means to be Maori.

              To tell me your perspective of the word bald head is the right one, is just plain wrong.You are just another bald head trying to put words in my mouth.

            • Gezza

               /  March 11, 2018

              I’ve met her. She’s Maori. Wahine toa. Maori as. No doubt.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  March 11, 2018

              Feisty as too, Sir Gerald.

            • Corky

               /  March 11, 2018

              Calvary to the rescue..as unusual. I would love to reply in length but I know what comes next.

              I will just say, in my opinion, you are as fake as a three dollar note. And too quick to take offence and become abusive as above. That has never been a good sign in my experience.

            • phantom snowflake

               /  March 11, 2018

              FFS “Corky”. We’ve already had to put up with a rerun of the Timoti vs. Kitty vendetta recently; now this too?? You’re losing it and might benefit from some Time Out.

            • Gezza

               /  March 11, 2018

              *Calvary* to the rescue? Good God, man! Check your Bible.

              Sir Alan & I hardly see eye to eye on many things, but, having both met Possum, & in my case spent a week in her company up at Al’s cabins, I’m telling you, & Al’s telling you, the three of us can agree to passionately differ on many things, but there was plenty of kai, & korero, & as a Maori, she’s the genuine article buddy.

              You, the way you troll her & stir it up at every opportunity, I’m not at all certain about.

            • Pickled Possum

               /  March 11, 2018

              Ohhhh Corrrrrkeyyyyy (sing song voice)
              A USA $3 note was printed in the 18th century and is now highly prized if you have one go to the Bank … you could be rich.

              Troll – In Internet slang, a troll (/troʊl, trɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting quarrels or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal, on-topic discussion,[3] often for the troll’s amusement.

              I sometimes take a fence a post and a gate to your korero to me, so it sometimes needs a rebuke. I let you know how terribly wrong you are and then you spit the dummy and get all personal, and when you don’t know some one personally it’s just plain stupid to try and debate the odds …

              It has been amusing butt now there is jelly and juice to make.
              Had grapes overload, Making dina … fresh bean salad made *from scratch *FS kumara and potato cubes with white roux FS… stick carrots and celery steamed, banana bread with fresh cream from the cow down the valley, making some takakau to mop up the juice, while folding washing,
              I make everything FS-from scratch corkey.
              Vegies out of the garden fresh!

              In between time checking out what the hapz is on my fave blog where news is discussed rationally hahahahah ..as well as writing my first novel.
              And NO! your not in it. But Al and Gezza are.

              What You doan Corkey ?.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  March 11, 2018

              Need I say that it’s a lie that I have ever said ‘wet back’ of a person ? It’s a derogatory Americanism that refers to illegal immigrants. I would have no reason to use this expression and no wish to call anyone that.

              Now the rest of you know what being trolled by Corky is like ! Words put in your mouths, absurd allegations made about you. smart alec know-all comments….

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  March 11, 2018

              And, apart from the US $3 notes, now worth $65, several other countries have $3 notes, all genuine currency.

              Can we vote Corky off the island ?

              We could, of course, simply decline to reply to his trolling posts.

  7. Gezza

     /  March 11, 2018

    Watching The Nation on the 3+1 channel. Winston Peters as Foreign Affairs on Jong Un, Trump, Trade Issues. Very good. Great interview. Excellent points. Controlled Lisa Owen. Impressing me. Very surprised.

  8. lurcher1948

     /  March 11, 2018

    What a laugh, nationals dream team have 3 years of HELL ahead of them, they will get bored then nasty then voters will say negative rich prick shits, ALLWAYS NEGATIVE< NASTY and another 9 years labour…bring it on farrar
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/03/bridges_announces_the_new_opposition_lineup.html

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  March 11, 2018

      There’s enough negative nastiness in the world without you adding to it, Lurch. Say something nice today. For example, about my friend Trumpy.

    • Missy

       /  March 12, 2018

      and yet the only one here being negative and nasty is you. Maybe the voters will instead say ‘nasty fascist lefties always negative, always nasty, always trying to tell us how to live our lives’ and it will be 9 more years in the wilderness of opposition for Labour.