More on Labour camp allegations

Following Allegation of sexual misconduct at Young Labour camp – more on this story is likely to emerge today.

The biggest issues seem to be why the police weren’t involved, why alcohol was supplied to under age people, and why didn’t Jacinda Ardern know anything about it until yesterday (her claim) while the Labour Party general secretary had known about it for a month.

RNZ round up from yesterday: PM investigating reports of sexual assault at Labour event

Tim Murphy has just been interviewed by RNZ – and he says that a senior Labour Cabinet Minister knew about it – but apparently not Ardern.

There also seems to have been concerned reactions from some parents, who only found out about the incidents when the news broke yesterday.

Ardern has no problem with Kirton not telling her. She waffles about this, around disclosure in preparation for media questions.

She says that Kirton acknowledges that it took too long to deal with the issue.

She fudges around the Cabinet Minister knowing but not informing her.

She acknowledges the party was at fault for being slow to deal with it. There was a three week lag between the camp and measures being taken to deal with it.

“Let me give you the reason why. The party president did know, we made s…Andrew Kirton made sure that he was aware, the senior vice president and the general secretary, this was a party function so the senior members of the party knew. The advice they had from those who specialise in this area, and we are not experts, was to be mindful of the wider circle who was aware in order to make sure they were protecting victims and acting in the best interest of victims.”

She is saying that senior members of the party knew, at least one senior Cabinet Minister knew, but she knew nothing.

Ardern sounds like she knows more about how this all played out, she rephrased her responses a number of times, and switched from ‘we’ to them.

Ardern is clear that the 20 year old who assaulted four 16 year olds was not a party member, but she says she doesn’t know details about their identity.

Ferguson: let’s just talk a little bit about this particular twenty year old, who is the twenty year old, is he a Labour Party staffer?

Ardern: No. No.

Ferguson: Is he a Labour party member?

Ardern: No. No.

Ferguson: Why was he at the summer camp?

Ardern: Good question. Very good question.

Ferguson: So you don’t know why this person was at the summer camp if he was not a member of the Labour Party?

Ardern: I believe he was associated with someone who was, but again I don’t know much beyond that.

I expect there will be more of this story to come out.

 

 

 

 

136 Comments

  1. Labor camp ???
    I cant believe it

    • Corky

       /  March 13, 2018

      It’s happened George. We need to be strong and deal with it..

      # UsTooAotearoa.

    • Gezza

       /  March 13, 2018

      Ah. Good. The Cat’s arrived. Always fun watching her proceed thru the threads. 👍🏼

  2. Traveller

     /  March 13, 2018

    National very quiet. Keeping their powder dry I believe. More to come.

    • Blazer

       /  March 13, 2018

      gee I can’t stand…the suspense!

      • PDB

         /  March 13, 2018

        Even you struggling for a squirrel this morning?

    • Gezza

       /  March 13, 2018

      😳 How much do you know trav? 😐

    • National doesn’t have to do or say anything at the moment. Labour is doing a fantastic job of trashing its own reputation and integrity, along with that of the Prime Minister.

  3. Ray

     /  March 13, 2018

    A Cabinet member knew about this before the PM, drawing a line between that and the perpetrator “was associated with a Labour Party ” person.
    Really hope that’s not true!

    • Chuck Bird

       /  March 13, 2018

      The Minister was Megan Woods.

      • Gezza

         /  March 13, 2018

        Yup – so say
        Herald
        Stuff
        NewShub
        Newstalk
        so far.

  4. Corky

     /  March 13, 2018

    Mikey was having fun with this issue, this morning. The cumulative effects of incidents like this will see Labour being one term wonders.

    I was thinking Mikey should button it because such issues can happen with any political organisation. But thinking back over the decades about sex scandals regarding Labour
    that never made the news, I have come to the conclusion Labour has become a degenerate scion of their original ‘rough and ready’ stock.

    • Blazer

       /  March 13, 2018

      how did you get to hear about..these scandals,that never madethe …news?

  5. Sunny

     /  March 13, 2018

    And parents not told! And the supervisor claims to have gone to bed at 9 oclock. Yeah right. Where were the remaining supervisors. Why did she go to bed at 9 oclock when she was in charge of their safety. Completely irresponsible. Why wasn’t it made clear to parents or people attending wether it was a drinking event . What other camp for young people has alcohol and no supervisors. Labour deserves to cop the responsibility. It was poorly organised which allowed these events to happen and then they covered them up. And everyone including the supervisor claimed not to know or to have been in bed.

    • Reinvented

       /  March 13, 2018

      “Why did she go to bed at 9 oclock when she was in charge of their safety.”

      When I was a teen and sex was something we teens pretended to know about while knowing our next encounter would be our first there was a saying, “If you’re not in bed by 9 you may as well go home”.

  6. PDB

     /  March 13, 2018

    Not even telling the parents of the victims is where this story about protecting the victims goes to the dogs.

    Sounds more like a cover-up by Labour and/or a complete downplaying of what constitutes sexual assault/ misconduct.

  7. Trevors_Elbow

     /  March 13, 2018

    Will be interesting how hard the media goes after this.

    With Alison Mau launching MetooNZ you would think this will build and build, as the whole thing looks like a cover up that is slowly falling apart.

    • Chuck Bird

       /  March 13, 2018

      I wonder if Mau will say much about this.

      • Gezza

         /  March 13, 2018

        Why should she, Chuck?

        It’s already getting plenty of exposure. She’s more interested in the cases that haven’t.

        • Trevors_Elbow

           /  March 13, 2018

          Because coupled with the RV thing its the perfect high vis target to go after…. particularly the way its been handled in a hush hush way…. would also show her to be impartial…. : )

        • David

           /  March 13, 2018

          Given the way the virtuous Labour party have put these children in harms way, allowed them to get intoxicated presumably without parental consent then hoped a series of sexual assaults on children would go away without any support offered until it hit the media Alison Mau should be all over it.
          A senior female cabinet minister was told and just flicked off an email and we dont know what connection the assailant has to the Labour Party.

          • Gezza

             /  March 13, 2018

            Nup. That doesn’t stack up against what I said for the reason I gave. If any of the victims or the msm contact her maybe she’ll say something, but otherwise she could there are already plenty of vultures loudly picking at all the bones of this case. Why should she let this distract her from her mission?

            • Gezza

               /  March 13, 2018

              * otherwise she could SEE … plenty of vultures …

  8. Blazer

     /  March 13, 2018

    breaking news…one of the supporters had voted National before.

    • Gezza

       /  March 13, 2018

      Which one?

    • Trevors_Elbow

       /  March 13, 2018

      ahhhhh Blazer squirrreeeeeelllllllllllll….

      Took you a long time to pollute the thread with a diversion. You not feeling well?

    • High Flying Duck

       /  March 13, 2018

      Was that before they became a sex pest and switched?

      • Blazer

         /  March 13, 2018

        The calibre of your posts has been on a downward spiral. ..for quite some time now.

        • High Flying Duck

           /  March 13, 2018

          Well you started at the bottom and have managed some exemplary consistency sisnce then – so kudos!
          My post was tailored to the quality of what I was replying to.

  9. Gezza

     /  March 13, 2018

    Newsroom’s shaping up well with some so,id no fear or favour journalism the way it should be done.

    • Gezza

       /  March 13, 2018

      FiP! *solid

    • High Flying Duck

       /  March 13, 2018

      You’re right – hard to think of any major breaking stories not coming out of there right now other than the odd Matt Nippert long winded “investigative journalism” on esoteric topics.

      • Revel

         /  March 14, 2018

        They’re called TL;DR’s and always come to nothing.

    • Gezza

       /  March 13, 2018

      Weka says:

      “… They need to prioritise the wellbeing of the people that were assaulted. It looks like they also need to review their internal processes (the Prime Minister didn’t know about the assaults until a few days ago).”
      https://thestandard.org.nz/talking-about-sexual-assault/

      Wait a minute. Jacinda said she first heard of it when asked about it at her Presser yesterday?

      • Missy

         /  March 13, 2018

        So, which is right? Did she only find out on Monday, or earlier?

        I saw on twitter she found out on Sunday when they knew it was going to be reported.

        Very confusing.

  10. Zedd

     /  March 13, 2018

    Geez.. the MSM (right-wing) are REALLY loving making a ‘Song & Dance’ about this.. “Lets blame it all on Jacinda !!”

    Should get them a few political brownie points from the Right-wing Mob.. with ‘flaming torches’ in hand… FFS

    • Missy

       /  March 13, 2018

      “Geez.. the MSM (right-wing) are REALLY loving making a ‘Song & Dance’ about this..”

      So you don’t t think they should make a ‘song & dance’ about sexual assault? At least three 16 year olds were sexually assaulted by an adult, these kids were at a Labour party event where alcohol was being served.

      You don’t think that Labour have failed these kids? And you don’t think that as leader of the party Jacinda Ardern should take some responsibility for the actions of those that work for the party and covered this up?

      That a Cabinet Minister allegedly knew but reportedly did not tell the PM shows how weak she is, she has no control over her cabinet.

      Your comment is disgusting, that you seemingly only care how the media are reporting it and not for the kids that were sexually assaulted is abhorrent.

      • Zedd

         /  March 13, 2018

        ‘So you don’t t think they should make a ‘song & dance’ about sexual assault? At least three 16 year olds were sexually assaulted by an adult, these kids were at a Labour party event where alcohol was being served. ‘

        HOW F@CKING RIDICULOUS Missy ! Are you Serious ?

        I just think the questions need to be put to the people who organised the event.. NOT the PM, who likely has more pressing issues to deal with.. at this time

        • Zedd

           /  March 13, 2018

          Come Missy.. on we all know you are a Natl party Cheerleader !

          • Zedd

             /  March 13, 2018

            Its a good job, there wasn’t a report of ‘Cannabis found at the scene’ OR You’d be calling for Jacinda’s head on a platter ??? 😦

            • High Flying Duck

               /  March 13, 2018

              Good to know that when young people are molested your first thoughts are that Jacinda shouldn’t be overly affected.
              Great empathy for the victims there Zedd. You’re a saint.

            • Zedd

               /  March 13, 2018

              @HFD
              WotalodoCRAP..

            • Missy

               /  March 13, 2018

              “ts a good job, there wasn’t a report of ‘Cannabis found at the scene’ OR You’d be calling for Jacinda’s head on a platter ??? 😦”

              Thank you Zedd for being so kind as to telling me what my reaction would be in a situation that hasn’t happened and I have not thought about. Always good to know that a person who has no knowledge of me, except from what I write on an internet forum, knows better than I do what I will do in a hypothetical future situation. I feel so much better knowing what I will be doing if that ever occurs.

          • NOEL

             /  March 13, 2018

            Yeah to paraphase Lange. “I can see the glee dripping off you post”

          • Corky

             /  March 13, 2018

            Not with me she ain’t.

          • Missy

             /  March 13, 2018

            Politics has nothing to do with it, but the PM shouldn’t be ducking any questions about underage drinking and sexual assault at a Labour Party organised event.

            But good to see you are on form Zedd and think it is all about politics.

            • Blazer

               /  March 13, 2018

              ‘Politics has nothing to do with it’…you are not kidding anyone..Missy…96.8% of your posts are about politics…PG has 2 threads going on this with Labour in the header….like the so called intern scandal,the right get very excited….easily.Where were you when time and again the former tricophiliac P.M was caught fondling young girls hair without …consent!

            • Missy

               /  March 13, 2018

              Don’t be a twit Blazer, politics has nothing to do with this case, this is a case of sexual assault, and my reaction to this is not political. .

              And thanks for keeping track of my stats Blazer, though it is a little creepy that you are keeping such a close eye on what I am writing, almost stalkerish.

              You are comparing inappropriately tugging a ponytail (that stopped when he was asked to) to sexual assault? Nice whataboutery.

            • Blazer

               /  March 13, 2018

              dream on…I made that stat up,you sensitive soul…here ,there is more if you wish…’
              https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2015/apr/23/john-key-new-zealand-hair-pulling-video

        • Zedd; the PM was AT the event the day these four indecent assaults took place!

          • Zedd

             /  March 13, 2018

            What are you saying.. Shes an ‘accessory after the fact’ ?

            What are Uz all smoking ??

            • Missy

               /  March 13, 2018

              I am more concerned about what you are smoking Zedd, you seem to be in the Andrew Kirton ‘it was a bit of groping’ camp and don’t see the seriousness of the sexual assaults.

        • Missy

           /  March 13, 2018

          “HOW F@CKING RIDICULOUS Missy ! Are you Serious ?”

          So your response to what I wrote is to swear at me?

          “I just think the questions need to be put to the people who organised the event.. NOT the PM, who likely has more pressing issues to deal with.. at this time”

          Right, so we shouldn’t ask the PM any difficult questions about why her party tried to cover up multiple sexual assaults, why her Cabinet Ministers aren’t telling her anything, why she appears too weak to have any control over her party. Glad you seem to think the sexual assault of 16 year olds is not something that is pressing or important.

          • Zedd

             /  March 13, 2018

            No it was just a STRONG reaction to the NONSENSE I read !

    • Gezza

       /  March 13, 2018

      The msm are lefties, remember. Newsroom’s forced them to deal with this.

  11. It’s now being reported that Megan Woods was the “senior Cabinet MP” who was told about this. Why on earth did she not give Ardern a heads-up, instead leaving her to be blindsided in a press conference? Does Ardern not operate a “no surprises” policy with her MP’s?

    I would suggest that Woods’ position as a “senior Cabinet MP” is now under threat, as she effectively threw Ardern under the bus.

    • Gezza

       /  March 13, 2018

      Nah. Safe I reckon. Looks like being of their more competent Ministers. They wouldn’t want to bump her down & give away any portfolios to a turkey.

    • High Flying Duck

       /  March 13, 2018

      She didn’t look particularly blindsided though, did she? She was very matter of fact and instantly accepting of the claim there was a sexual assault at the camp. She also had details of what she had put in place pretty quickly…

      • Gezza

         /  March 13, 2018

        Weka says she knew a few days ago.

        • High Flying Duck

           /  March 13, 2018

          I’m torn on this because she is George Washington and cannot tell a lie. How can both stories be true…

  12. Corky

     /  March 13, 2018

    Let’s not forget the Labour International Intern student fiasco. While not sexual in nature, it makes you wonder what goes on within the confines of the Labour collective.

    It would seem feralness is afoot. All grist for the mill. Steady as she goes, Simon.

    • Blazer

       /  March 13, 2018

      Nothing on. ..roast busters.

      • High Flying Duck

         /  March 13, 2018

        Roast Busters was not political in any way was it? They were blasted on all sides.

      • High Flying Duck

         /  March 13, 2018

        Apart from a sympathetic Willie Jackson that is.

  13. lurcher1948

     /  March 13, 2018

    What a laugh newstalkZB says the dirty young 20yo wasn’t with labour…WTF was he a young Nat out on the town

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  March 13, 2018

      He provided transport to the event, Lurch. A keen supporter of your deluded young Lefties apparently. A bit too keen evidently.

      • Revel

         /  March 14, 2018

        Was he meant to be the designated driver that night?! If he wasn’t a Labour member then why was he even there? Every political conference I have been to doesn’t allow non-members to booze ups.

    • Corky

       /  March 13, 2018

      Lurchy, young Nats frequent high end night clubs, where the women are beautiful and the top shelf expensive. They don’t drive their Beamers to some retreat full of socialists having egg sandwiches and cocoa.

  14. Alan Wilkinson

     /  March 13, 2018

    Should make for a fun Question Time. I wonder which Minister will have responsibility? Minister for Children anyone?

    • Gezza

       /  March 13, 2018

      No thanks. Tracey Martin can keep that one now.

      I reckon they’ll be wanting answers from the Minister for Child Poverty Reduction, though.

    • Gezza

       /  March 13, 2018

      Next sitting day not until next Tuesday, Al.

    • Blazer

       /  March 13, 2018

      16 year olds. …age of consent 16. Alleged perp 20 years. ..old.

      • Gezza

         /  March 13, 2018

        Not quite sure what your point is there. They clearly didn’t consent, from what we’re learning.

        Just fyi – legal ages in NZ: http://www.cab.org.nz/vat/gl/roi/Pages/legalagesandID.aspx

        “at the age of 20
        – you have reached the age of majority and have all the rights and responsibilities of an adult”

        • Gezza

           /  March 13, 2018

          Also,
          at the age of 18
          – your parents or legal guardian are no longer responsible for you

          So you’re a child at least until 18.

          Some people, well past then – look at Twyford.

        • Blazer

           /  March 13, 2018

          ‘Under the Crimes Act 1961 (section 134), a person who has a sexual connection with, or does an indecent act on, a young person under the age of 16 years has committed an offence and is liable to a term of imprisonment. The report states, “The Authority recognises that it is uncommon for Police to prosecute a young person under section 134 for sexual connection with a person of the same or a similar age. ‘

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  March 13, 2018

            135 Indecent assault
            Every one is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 7 years who indecently assaults another person.

          • Gezza

             /  March 13, 2018

            The establishment of Oranga Tamariki—Ministry for Children as a new stand-alone ministry is one of the key milestones of the IIC programme.

            The creation of the new Ministry:

            * signals a ‘whole of sector’, child-centred approach which will transform the way we work with children and young people. It will act in partnership with the wider social sector, reinforcing the fact that it can only achieve outcomes through others, rather than as a primary direct delivery agency.
            * establishes the new Ministry as a single point of accountability for ensuring vulnerable children and their families and whānau get the services they need. This will ensure that government agencies work together to provide coherent and complete services to these children, young people and their families.
            * will take a broader view which will include children and young people who are at significant risk of harm now or into the future.

            So, Ministers responsible for “Children” can expect a grilling.

      • The children clearly never consented to hands down pants. What planet are you on?

          • Trevors_Elbow

             /  March 13, 2018

            False equivalence and very dubious morals Blazer. truly you have found the dregs at the bottom of what ever barrel of inspiration you dip into ….

            • Blazer

               /  March 13, 2018

              I just don’t accept that..at all…Trevor.

          • Trevors_Elbow

             /  March 13, 2018

            of course you don’t accept it Blazer – your tribal blood won’t let you see it.

            Labour have handled this poorly – if they had front foot it and dealt with it appropriately we wouldn’t even know about it.

            Cover ups that fail always look very very very bad…..

  15. Alan Wilkinson

     /  March 13, 2018

    The prime minister says there is no truth to the rumour that at the next Young Labour camp all participants will be protected with chastity belts.

    • Blazer

       /  March 13, 2018

      Stop it All. ..you’re killing. .me.

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  March 13, 2018

        I take your downticks as requests that I finish the job, B.

        • Blazer

           /  March 13, 2018

          take whatever you like…I doubt you’re …capable.

  16. Gezza

     /  March 13, 2018

    Man, I just watched that clip of Ferguson interviewing Ardern. Jacinda ain’t used to that kind of grilling. Not a chirpy interview. She threw Kirton under the bus in the end.

    So then I listened to the audio clip where Guyon drove the bus up to Kirton, told him Jaconda said to ask him, & proceeded to screw him to the wall. Kirton will have to go, I’m afraid.

    Jacinda needs to shut up. Divert. Have a medical emergency – broken fingernail, anything to get the hounds off the scent.

  17. David

     /  March 13, 2018

    Stuff havent opened the story up for comments and the Herald you have to go hunting for it, good on Newsroom.
    The race is on now between Claire Trevett and Tracy Watkins to rush to Arderns defence, Soper could go either way HDPA will give her a rightful serve but hats off to Jo Moir at Stuff who is playing a straight bat with just the facts.

  18. What astounds me is that there should be a drop of alcohol at a political PARTY event where there are underage kids. It’s wrong on so many levels. In their desire to nab the young and impressionable they’ve somehow lost sight of the fact they’re dealing with children and they have pastoral care over them. They need to have Labour youth – under 18 and the over 18s

    Fixed it.

    • Gezza

       /  March 13, 2018

      Email Jacinda. That’s good. She could use that

  19. lurcher1948

     /  March 13, 2018

    Larry Williams twice in his program intro said the assaulted children were 15 , but larry forgets the police would have got involved then. This ALT TRUTH hack on NZME newstalkZB annoyed me enough to complain to the broadcasting authority,my complaint as follows

    Mr Williams said twice in his introduction that the children molested at the labour party camp were 15 (fifteen) when in fact his own station said 16 ,and all the other media said 16. Mr Wiliams political persuasion is to the far right and the truth is lacking at times IE”ALT TRUTH” for his audience and he wears that on his sleeve with pride but if the assaulted chidren were 15 the police would be involved and if i want to listen to bulldust and lies i will watch fox.I feel NZME and newstalkZB standards have slipped since labour have come to power and there is a strong rightwing bias so lies are being broadcasted
    .

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  March 13, 2018

      So the ages are in question, Lurch. Were they spun out to sixteen by Labour? But does it really make a difference? It was a criminal offence of indecent assault either way.

      • lurcher1948

         /  March 13, 2018

        ALL the MSM and David Farrars Kiwi Blog stated 16,cops(POLICE) get involved when they are 15, but that didn’t stop williams LYING and using ALT TRUTH for his failing slot.

        • PDB

           /  March 13, 2018

          You’re right Lurch, let’s pour all our outrage onto Larry Williams for daring to say they were 15 rather than 16 and just give Labour a free pass for trying to hide & downplay sexual assault.

          Good to see you have your priorities in order.

        • Gezza

           /  March 13, 2018

          I never listen to NewStalkZB. It seems to me to derange people.

          Is his show unpopular? How come he’s still on, then?
          Are their ratings dropping?
          Is it worth my turning the dial over to NewStalk?

          • Gezza

             /  March 13, 2018

            Dad used to listen to it before he went into the Home & passed away, but whenever I came in & said what are they talking about he had no idea.

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  March 13, 2018

            Is that what happened to Lurch?

          • Gezza

             /  March 13, 2018

            Hard to say. Is Mikey on that station too?

    • Chuck Bird

       /  March 13, 2018

      I did not hear Larry say that. He said one given alcohol was 15.

  20. Gezza

     /  March 13, 2018

    Headline item one on 1ewes.

    • Gezza

       /  March 13, 2018

      Labour’s enquiries they admit have revealed complaint of another assault at an earlier event. Cellcam footage of hardout partying.

      Police say they don’t need a complaint to investigate. Everybody’s still backing Kirton. Vance says parents & kids are very upset & the way they dealt with it makes it look like a cover up. Lists all the questions still to be properly answered, why so much alcohol etc.

      Judith Collins very unimpressed – they’re still going on about it.

      Just finished. Jacinda needs to slaughter & burn a beast to propitiate the media gods. Kirton will have to go. They know it.

      • PDB

         /  March 13, 2018

        Curtains for Kirton unless he knows where all the bodies are hidden then he’ll have to be spared.

        • Corky

           /  March 13, 2018

          Jacinda looked burnt out on One News. She is yet to get to the hard part of her pregnancy. That will be very stressful if this type of crap is going on.

        • Gezza

           /  March 13, 2018

          Jacinda’s not pulling this act off well at all. Sweating under the harsh glare. Bodies or not Kirton’s made monumental blunders. Dead meat. They have to get rid of that carcass asap. What’s wrong with these people. And the Police Minister’s up for some tuff Questions in the House too. Christ. What a disaster! What trip to the Islands?

  21. Another poor picture of Young Labour:

    How were they going to attract the ‘missing million’?

    • Blazer

       /  March 13, 2018

      one malignant,crazy…get a..life.

      • Ray

         /  March 13, 2018

        I don’t think you are right there Blazer, I know Coley from way back and apart from being mad on animals she is not malignant.
        Any facts to back this up.

        • PartisanZ

           /  March 13, 2018

          I’ll go with Ray on this one …

          There are just too many examples of powerful men’s terror at the prospect of females having ‘power’ … their fear of the feminine element … and of men’s ‘terrorist’ reactions to it …

          In the most horrible sense it is no mistake, IMHO, that #metoo comes AFTER rather than before revelations and general acceptance of the horrific treatment of indigenous peoples …

    • Blazer

       /  March 13, 2018

      her profile mission statement’…’“A witch ought never to be frightened in the darkest forest, because she should be sure in her soul that the most terrifying thing in the forest was her.”

    • Corky

       /  March 13, 2018

      ‘Was asked to infiltrate and date Young Nats because ‘I was pretty”

      Yep, she’s kosher.

    • Revel

       /  March 14, 2018

      Looks like Labour need their own inquiry into their own party’s Dirty Politics. ironic how they shamelessly thought it was so nasty and bad when Williams, Lusk and Slater suggested women infiltrate the place. And it makes the party David Farrar allegedly organised look like a garden party with scones.

  22. PartisanZ

     /  March 13, 2018

    To some extent the internal communications aspect of this could be a distorted, warped expression of subterranean ructions within Labour … an ‘Old Guard’ vs ‘New Blood’ thing … Boozy old organisational ‘culture’ that lingers still … very male … as it appears to do in the legal profession … and possibly an indication that not everyone is happy with the new female Labour leadership … (I wonder how Kirton and Ardern get along?)

    I find the incident shameful … and the implications for our politics simply ‘a shame’ …

    But very often things don’t change until they’re confronted head on …

    As with Julia Gillard’s all too brief Prime Ministership of Australia I think peculiar things like that Feminism or Gender Equality is actually still very much in its infancy … at about the point of taking her first steps … and falling over quite often … or being tripped …

    … and that somehow, in a way that cannot be adequately explained or defined, some ‘shadow’ of misogyny will somehow gain access to the ‘party’, attempt to spoil the celebration, and do ‘harm’ to the next generation of future female leaders …

    • Gezza

       /  March 13, 2018

      You think maybe it was a set up? Someone sent some grub in to deliberately sabotage Ardern?

      • I think it’s more likely that some person or people are very disappointed (or similar) with what was enabled, what happened and how it was handled by Young Labour and by the Labour Party.

        And this has the potential to become quite damaging for the Labour caucus, for the Government and for the Prime Minister.

        • Blazer

           /  March 13, 2018

          what could you compare this situation with ,with any National faced down in 9 ..years?

          • I don’t think it does any good trying to compare quite different situations. Saying ‘but Key’ or ‘but Hughes’ are anything similar is just a diversion. This one should be judged on what is known about it.

            And it looks bad as far as the alleged perpetrator is concerned regardless of the circumstances.
            It looks like sloppy boundaries and sloppy supervision (or lack of both) from the organisers.
            It looks like Young Labour struggled to deal with it appropriately.
            It looks like the Labour Party (particularly Kirton) handled it tardily, poorly, it appears that they wanted the problem to disappear.
            And it has made Ardern look either out of touch or a liar.

            • Blazer

               /  March 13, 2018

              I think it does.Comparisons can reveal bias,double standards,and are a good barometer of …political principles.

          • Gezza

             /  March 13, 2018

            Might have a point Blaze. Which ones do you compare it to?

      • PartisanZ

         /  March 13, 2018

        @Gezza – “You think maybe it was a set up?”

        I don’t think it was a conscious set up, no.

        To me it feels more like the kind of sub-conscious or unconscious expression of shadow ‘stuff’ that manifests unexpected, messy, provocative outcomes … which are really about what the Labour Party … and I dare say other political parties … plus many cliques, circles, organisations, classes and genders – one in particular – of society need to face … and indeed society as a whole needs to face …

  23. Alan Wilkinson

     /  March 13, 2018

    Every political party has to deal with a lunatic fringe whose passion far exceeds its rationality. At the other extreme are those who are in it for the social aspects and personal opportunities. Managing to keep it all together without anyone falling off a cliff will always be a major challenge. Perhaps the only thing surprising about this stuff is how infrequently any of it gets into the media. Maybe that is changing as the old MSM has lost control of the news to more immediate and a myriad of online sources.

    • PartisanZ

       /  March 13, 2018

      Well said Alan … I especially tau toko your “how infrequently any of it gets into the media”.

      Not to denigrate that comment, which I think is very salient, along with “the old MSM has lost control of the news”, it does somewhat beg the question: How did this get into the media?

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