Labour laxness, and parents’ right to know about sexual assault

Criticism of Labour’s lax handling of the summer camp sexual assaults continues.

ODT Editorial: Missteps on harassment allegations

Allegations have been made four Young Labour supporters were sexually assaulted at the camp last month. Two males and two females, all 16, were allegedly assaulted or harassed by a 20-year-old man during a party at the Waihi camp.

The man was reportedly intoxicated and put his hand down the pants of at least three of the four young people. The affected teenagers did not get much support until the day before the story was due to break on the Newsroom website. The support came three weeks after the camp.

The things which did not happen include Labour Party general secretary Andrew Kirton not telling the parents of the young people, not notifying the police of the allegations and not informing Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern, who was apparently caught unawares by the allegations when questioned by the media.

One of the reasons put forward by Mr Kirton for not telling anyone about the incidents was he wanted a victim-led process, defying the logic of having 16-year-olds allegedly sexually harassed or interfered with.

There have been suggestions Ms Ardern is going to investigate the matter; not a wise decision if true. A prime ministerial investigation could step across any investigation to be instigated by the police.

Ardern may have had sufficient time to rethink that proposal.

There are huge implications for Labour in this. Strong women MPs have, over the years, stood together on issues such as gender equality and sexual connotations.

Labour has made serious mistakes in the handling of this complicated issue. The young people are again being made victims because of the ineptness by party officials.

Whether parents will again trust Young Labour at a future camp is a moot point. The party’s obligation was to the young people and their families. The police should have been involved at the earliest opportunity.

Dominion Post editorial: Labour should have fronted on sexual misconduct

Sorry, Labour, but the age of innocence is over. It’s well and truly buried. There are no longer any excuses.

Woman after woman after woman – and the odd man too – has stepped forward to declare that time’s up on sexual harassment, on assault, on staying quiet.

Ignorance is not bliss. Was it ever?

So it’s quite extraordinary that a political party that has appeared to embrace the social-media surge and momentum behind the #metoo movement and the rise of young, ambitious women; that has euphorically smashed a few of its own glass ceilings in storming the citadels of power; and which offers such wonderful inspiration to wide-eyed youngsters considering their own political and business careers, should have chosen to maintain a small, closed circle around sexual assault.

​Extraordinary, and possibly just a little convenient. There is an argument to be made that Labour’s hierarchy was focused solely on the wishes of four 16-year-olds allegedly sexually assaulted at one of the party’s events when it largely kept the issue ‘in-house’. That is certainly its stance.

There is another argument that the hierarchy’s considered, “victim-led” approach carried an element of political calibration. We’ll leave readers to draw their own conclusions on that.

Political considerations cannot be separated from Labour’s inept handling of the assaults.

Sadly, the reaction echoes the darker machinations of other previously austere bodies when faced with such issues: the transgressions have been kept behind closed doors and the transgressor has simply been moved on.

Labour has handled this poorly, at practically every step. The party’s general secretary, Andrew Kirton, wasn’t informed until four days later. He made another, possibly politically motivated, decision not to tell his boss, Jacinda Ardern.

Why? It’s a simple enough question. Did he think such things below her station? Did he believe that not telling her would give her some protection against any possible media prying in future? Did he simply believe that it was contained?

Again, it’s hard not to see a political method to the madness.

Ex-ACT MP Heather Roy has a say on Young Labour Summer Camp and Parents’ Right to Know

There has been much discussion today about what should have happened when a drunken 20 year old allegedly sexually assaulted three 16 year olds at a Labour Party summer Youth Camp. The handling of the affair by Labour party officials was clumsy at best, bungling and harmful at worst. Everyone agrees that the inappropriate events should have been dealt with swiftly.

Parents, who had presumably consented to their 16 year olds going off to Labour summer camp, had the right to believe their children were going to a safe environment. Yes things sometimes happen, but when they do the expectation is that they are dealt with adequately.

The decision to not tell parents what had happened (so they could assist their children if traumatized) is either amazingly naïve or, more likely, it was intended to prevent the media storm and disdain now being launched at Labour for a significant lack of judgement.

Some have said that it is ‘best practice’ not to tell parents or police, but I think that many, if not most, parents would disagree.

The matter should have been dealt with by the system – the police – not ineptly handled by the Labour Party, acting as police, judge and jury, to avoid public and political embarrassment. There is a presumed perpetrator who should be held to account or vindicated if not guilty.

So the Prime Minister didn’t know, wasn’t told and was surprised when door stopped by media. That’s a failing by her party. More importantly, they have let down young people who don’t deserve to be let down.

And Labour are still flailing and failing on this. They haven’t fronted up adequately – including Prime Minister Ardern.

And this isn’t the first time Andrew Kirton has tried to paper over a major embarrassment for Labour, in a situation where coincidentally Ardern also separated herself from any knowledge. This involved young people again, the mis-managed, ill-fated intern issue before last year’s election with a disingenuous conclusion.

105 Comments

  1. Corky

     /  March 14, 2018

    Mikey has just utterly destroyed Andrew Kirton. The crux of Mikey’s argument was forget about expert advice, use bloody common sense and remember most parents know way more than so called ”experts’ who know nothing.

    Mikey’s coups d’état was telling Kirton he sounded like HR.

    • Gezza

       /  March 14, 2018

      I better have a look. Sometimes Mikey sends people mental.

      • Gezza

         /  March 14, 2018

        Heard the audio. Hosking banging on well past where he’s made the same point a dozen times already. Suppose he’s got to fill a time segment. Still, nearly as a good a job as when Guyon ripped Kirton’s guts open & screwed his pelvis to a cake stand yesterday. Kirton has to go. Needs to disappear. Can smell the rotting carcass from here. The stench is getting all over the PM.

    • Corky

       /  March 14, 2018

      Police to investigate.

  2. High Flying Duck

     /  March 14, 2018

    The way Labour has handled this is reflective of their world view – the State knows best. No need to let parents know, because there are government agencies that can deal with it better.

    • Corky

       /  March 14, 2018

      Yes, in true socialist fashion, the party always comes first. That’s at odds with their community focus BS. But, if school girls can get abortions behind their parents back, why should we be surprised about these shenanigans ?

    • Blazer

       /  March 14, 2018

      what is the National ‘world view’?

      • High Flying Duck

         /  March 14, 2018

        That people and families know what is best for themselves and can make their own decisions.

        • Blazer

           /  March 14, 2018

          translation=everyman for…himself.

          • High Flying Duck

             /  March 14, 2018

            No, self determination is quite different from that. If you want to abdicate responsibility to the state, go for it.

            • Blazer

               /  March 14, 2018

              ‘ self determination ‘…is that a cover all for nepotism,privelege…and luck!

            • High Flying Duck

               /  March 14, 2018

              The words of a loser there Blazer. Self determination and taking responsibility are the steps you need to take to be successful. Abdication of responsibility puts your life at the whim of others, a recipe for failure.

            • Blazer

               /  March 14, 2018

              platitudes…the capitalist world works on access to…capital…more but not exclusively…who you know than..what you know.You need to define ‘success’….before you can judge a winner…or a…loser.

            • High Flying Duck

               /  March 14, 2018

              You can define success any way you like, and then strive to meet it. But do it on your own terms and take responsibility for acheiving the success you desire. Don’t blame the Gummint or do nothing because someone else should do it for you.

            • Blazer

               /  March 14, 2018

              yet you judge me a loser on the basis of ..one sentence.I doubt you are fit to judge …anyone.

            • High Flying Duck

               /  March 15, 2018

              On the basis on one sentence…riiiight.

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  March 14, 2018

      People can’t tell parents such things without the consent of their children. It’s a question of confidentiality. Schools can’t, unless the pupils allow them to.

  3. PDB

     /  March 14, 2018

    As pointed out by Farrar here https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/03/labours_lies.html Labour have lied in many of their statements on this issue.

    As he points out the whole reason behind Labour not telling the parents was so the party could focus on the needs of the children then they did nothing to help them for a month until they heard the story was about to break.

    Ardern didn’t appear surprised at all when first asked by the media – her answers looked scripted and numerous times she pointed out she was only there very briefly on the first day as if she was trying to distance herself for the inevitable fallout.

    I’d be surprised (if Ardern wasn’t initially told at the time of the incidents) that she wasn’t told the day before the news broke as by then Kirton was running around last minute trying to organise professional support for the alleged victims thus obviously had prior knowledge the story was about to break the very next day.

    • Blazer

       /  March 14, 2018

      Farrar is assuming and his hostility to Labour is well…documented=unreliable.

      • PDB

         /  March 14, 2018

        And he is wrong where?

      • What nonsense Blazer – go and read the post, and follow the links which document each of the lies he refers to.

        Farrar has done the kind of forensic examination of Labour’s numerous misleading and incorrect statements that we should expect our media to be doing, but they seem still to be blinded by Jacindamania.

        • duperez

           /  March 14, 2018

          Farrar has undoubtedly done the kind of forensic examination of Labour’s numerous misleading and incorrect statements he does on all political parties and Governments.
          🙂

          • Trevors_elbow

             /  March 14, 2018

            Feel free to start a blog and examine other parties statements Dupe.

            Farrars associations are well known… your little snipe means zip unless you care to point out where he is wrong….

            And anyway he can be critical of National at times and supportive of non National policy as well..

  4. alloytoo

     /  March 14, 2018

    It’s becoming increasingly obvious that these are not isolated incidents, that predators are well aware of the potential “fresh meat” and that perhaps “summer camp” is a euphemism for “buffet”

    There also some question about the mountain of booze at this event, Labour claim they didn’t supply it, but they didn’t stop BYO. Mountains of booze do not arrive BYO.

    I have no doubt that a sponsor supplied it, no doubt facilitated by labour. Without labour the mountain of booze would not have existed.

    • One of the Labour MP’s attending the summer camp owns and runs a bar in Rotorua; co-incidence?

      • alloytoo

         /  March 14, 2018

        I’ll wager not.

        A limited liability company (whomever owns it) is technically “Not The Labour Party”

    • NOEL

       /  March 14, 2018

      “I have no doubt that a sponsor supplied it,” Evidence or conjecture?
      “There also some question about the mountain of booze at this event.”
      I aint no Labour supporter but could we please not resort to extravagant claims without supporting evidence.
      Facts would be nice.

      • alloytoo

         /  March 14, 2018

        I didn’t puck “Mountain of booze” out of thin air.

        “Mountain of booze” was a phrase a heard on Newstalk ZB in the afternoon yesterday from a former attendee describing the quantity of booze at these events.

        Labour claims:

        They (Labour Party) did not supply the booze.
        The attendees were allowed to “bring their own”
        Bringing their own wasn’t prohibited.

        Disingenuous.

        Most kids in these age groups:

        a)Can’t legally buy booze
        b) Don’t have a lot of free cash to buy booze
        c) Are selfish and unlikely to share their booze if they did have any.
        d) are highly unlikely to arrive with a “Mountain of booze”

        So if Labour denies supplying the booze, and BYO is unlikely to produce a mountain (or share it) then….

        1. Did a friendly brewery dropped it off by accident?
        2. Did a Labour get a sponsor?

        I’ll wager they’ve always arranged sponsors for these events.

  5. Blazer

     /  March 14, 2018

    turning into a frenzied beatup here now…..3rd thread on this issue. Police investigation is the answer to any alleged crimes.Where they may have happened is quite irrelevant.

    • High Flying Duck

       /  March 14, 2018

      Underage drinking and sexual assault at an event run by the ruling party in Government with the possibility of a cover up attempt is not due decent coverage Blazer?

      • Blazer

         /  March 14, 2018

        Sexual assault occurs no matter who is in…Govt.Try the main religions if the issue is of real…concern.

        • High Flying Duck

           /  March 14, 2018

          You are right. It just doesn’t usually involve whoever is in Government. The fact it did, and the fact they have handled it abysmally is newsworthy.

          • Blazer

             /  March 14, 2018

            one starter for you…Sabin.

            • High Flying Duck

               /  March 14, 2018

              Nothing to do with the Government, just a person in it. Was dealt with properly through the courts from what I understand. No comparison.

            • Not only was Sabin dealt with by the Courts, but he was acquitted. The allegations against him were of a domestic nature, and nothing to do with him being an MP. Darren Hughes on the other hand attended a debate in a pub in his capacity as an MP, then took a drunk teenager home. Odd you don’t mention that.

            • Trevors_elbow

               /  March 14, 2018

              Oh look its the not so rare Northland Squirrilis Sabinesis providing an attempted diversionary stunt…

              Unfortunately while once a star turn Squirrilis Sabinesis is now old, tired and over worked by the well known Divertus BlazerDinosaurus…

              Find.A.New.Squirrel…

              This one looks a lot like a Norwegian Blue… deceased, defunct and a tad dead

          • Blazer

             /  March 14, 2018

            why did Nat Cabinet minister Richard Worth…resign?

            • High Flying Duck

               /  March 14, 2018

              It’s all in the public domain…look it up.
              No charges laid though. Once again, not comparable as there was immediate action and he resigned from parliament.
              Where is the culpability from Labour in this issue being shown? Who has fallen on their sword?

            • Blazer

               /  March 14, 2018

              @HFD…this was a Young Labour camp….

            • High Flying Duck

               /  March 14, 2018

              The event was organised by Labour hierarchy & attended by Jacinda Ardern, Tamati Coffey, Peeni Henara & Liz Craig – all MP’s
              The offending was 10 Feb.
              The assault issues were known about and dealt with on 14 Feb – as in hushed up – at the highest levels of the party. Nigel Haworth and Andrew Kirton especially.
              Megan Wood was contacted via Facebook by one of the victims on 3 March, over 2 weeks later due to inaction.
              Professional services were offered to victims on 10 March – exactly one month after the events and exactly one night before the story broke.

              Is that acceptable to you?

            • Blazer

               /  March 14, 2018

              @HFD…one month after and no one complained to the Police!That fits your theme of no one was…outraged…I presume.

            • High Flying Duck

               /  March 14, 2018

              No complaint because they were told they were being looked after by Labour…which clearly they were not.
              That meets my theme of Labour needing to show some accountability.

        • alloytoo

           /  March 14, 2018

          @Blazer “Sexual assault occurs no matter who is in…Govt.”

          Indeed these Labour events happened even when National was in office.

    • Gezza

       /  March 14, 2018

      How many threads did we have on Todd Barclay, out of interest?

      • Gezza

         /  March 14, 2018

        Just did a quick SEARCH THIS BLOG search for PG’s posts mentioning “Barclay”. Looks like over 30. I stopped scrolling around #28. Scope for a few more on Kirton.

        • Blazer

           /  March 14, 2018

          posts,are not…threads.

          • Gezza

             /  March 14, 2018

            It only searches Posts.

            • Gezza

               /  March 14, 2018

              Not comments.

            • Blazer

               /  March 14, 2018

              as you realise, one person can quite easily make 30 posts in…1 thread.

            • Gezza

               /  March 14, 2018

              Yes, I’m sure you can, no need to boast. But that’s not the point. I counted post 28 headings & then stopped because you had to keep clicking on ‘Older Posts’ & and a pukeko wanted something.

            • Blazer

               /  March 14, 2018

              you have already made…9 in this thread..and its just gone midday.

            • Gezza

               /  March 14, 2018

              No worries. You carry on bleating & I’ll finish here.

            • Blazer

               /  March 14, 2018

              no need for bleating ,I’m up to about 16…very ..sheepish.

    • PDB

       /  March 14, 2018

      The alleged crimes are one thing, the strong suspicion of a cover-up by Labour is quite another.

    • High Flying Duck

       /  March 14, 2018

      You and Don Brash Blazer – peas in a pod!

      Former Act and National leader Don Brash has criticised the level of media coverage of the alleged indecent assaults at a Young Labour summer school, saying it was being overplayed in light of other world news.

      “Any kind of sexual harassment is wrong and I don’t want to diminish that. I was just irritated that literally every news bulletin I listened to between 9am and noon, the first item was about this particular issue. To make this the primary news item for days on end seems to me to be overplaying it.”

      http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12012446

  6. High Flying Duck

     /  March 14, 2018

    Things have escalated a bit now…

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/102242327/victim-tells-labour-they-have-gone-to-police-over-alleged-sexual-assault

    One of the victims of an alleged sexual assault at a Labour summer camp has taken their complaint to the police.

    It is alleged a 20-year-old man sexually assaulted four teenagers, all aged 16, including putting his hands down the pants of at least three of them at the Young Labour summer camp in Waihi, in February.

    There was alcohol present at the camp, despite some of the attendees being underage.

    • Blazer

       /  March 14, 2018

      that is the best way for this to be….handled…sexual abuse is an apolitical…subject.

      • alloytoo

         /  March 14, 2018

        So you agree that the police should have been called in straight away……but weren’t.

        Hell in a supposedly victim support driven process the “support” wasn’t contacted for 25 days.

  7. NOEL

     /  March 14, 2018

    Everybody is bitching about the lack of reporting to police.
    Perhaps a better bitch would be why are only an estimated 9 percent of cases are reported to the police.
    People are birtching about the parents not been notified.
    A better bitch would be should those rights at 16 years need review.r

    • alloytoo

       /  March 14, 2018

      Perhaps if more parents were notified, then more instances would be reported to police and 16 year olds wouldn’t have to worry about these predators.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  March 14, 2018

        At 16 they are too old for anyone to go over their heads and go to their parents without their consent. There is, as far as I know, nothing that anyone can do if this consent isn’t given.

        I don’t know how anyone can possibly know how many things are NOT reported, this has to be guesswork.

  8. PDB

     /  March 14, 2018

    Ardern will be pleased – first she has her picture in Vogue and now she features in the New York Times!

    • Gezza

       /  March 14, 2018

      Bet that pic doesn’t get used in Vogue.

      • Gezza

         /  March 14, 2018

        When are Simon & his Mrs appearing in Vogue, btw?
        Anyone know?

        • PDB

           /  March 14, 2018

          Rumour is that Ardern will next feature in ‘Vague’.

  9. Corky

     /  March 14, 2018

    She’s climbing the heights before the big dip. She will be able to look back on fond memories. Happier times.

  10. Zedd

     /  March 14, 2018

    Yet all you Tories.. frantically tried to brush over the ‘Ponytail pulling’ of the former PM as just ‘high jinx’ & hardly worth a mention.. :/

    double-standards ??

    • High Flying Duck

       /  March 14, 2018

      Hand on ponytail = hand down pants? Seriously?

      • Zedd

         /  March 14, 2018

        Are you Still brushing aside, for what many thought was Sexual Harrassment (inc. Young Girls too).. but it was ‘laughed off’ (by the Right) because Key was the perpetrator ?
        Echoes of Mr T.. people are trying to justify the allegations or defect them, because of their political persuation, not because it was OFFENSIVE to the person being harrassed !

        Any youz Tories, think Ive lost the plot ? :/

        • Zedd

           /  March 14, 2018

          typo: AND youz Tories, think Ive lost the plot ?

    • David

       /  March 14, 2018

      Zedd I think you are a bit warped if you think pulling a pony tail in a cafe where your wife and the DPS is present to sexually assaulting a teenager is somehow comparable.

  11. PDB

     /  March 14, 2018

    Are you really trying to compare Key tugging a pony tail in a public place in front of others (including his wife) to someone allegedly putting their hand down various peoples pants?

    • Blazer

       /  March 14, 2018

      there was alot more to it than that….Key persisted when asked not to…and there is plenty of footage of him indulging his fetish with other young girls…many not even …teens.

      • High Flying Duck

         /  March 14, 2018

        Biggest load of shit you’ve ever written – and you’ve written plenty.

        • Gezza

           /  March 14, 2018

          Be fair. There’s a gif of him stroking some young girl’s ponytail from behind in a street while she’s being interviewed. And reports he did that to other girls that haven’t been denied. It’s dodgy from an adult male & I wouldn’t be happy with any bloke but a boyfriend doing that to a daughter of mine.

          • High Flying Duck

             /  March 14, 2018

            There was a singular lack of outrage from everyone involved except for the waitress, and there were many intimations her outrage was more political than genuine. She dropped all action as soon as publicity died.
            Whether you wouldn’t want it is not important – it is whether the people he did it to were offended, and if you see the videos they are all smiling, and none of them stepped forward to say it was overstepping or unacceptable.. It was light hearted.
            That whole episode was a massive beat-up and calling it a fetish is simply KDS in action.

            • Gezza

               /  March 14, 2018

              Not a fetish. Inapproriate behaviour. Now stopped.

            • Zedd

               /  March 15, 2018

              @HFD

              If it was any other ‘member of the public’ the Cops would probably have been involved.. all the little ‘Keyites’ are still in denial 😦

            • High Flying Duck

               /  March 15, 2018

              Zedd – name one other instance ever where someone has been arrested or dealt to for touching a ponytail?
              I’ll wait.
              Key was dealing with people and campaigning. He took photo’s. He derped, he planked, he was very accessible. People put arms around him, he joked around. Touching a ponytail was in context with his behaviour in other areas and was done in good fun. I don’t see any issue wiuth it in this context, Gezza sees it as inappropriate, and they are both defensible positions. It was certainly no worse than mildly inappropriate and given it was all done in the public eye rather than in a furtive and secretive manner, any other connotations are simply absurd.

            • Zedd

               /  March 15, 2018

              @HFD

              you just dont get it.. do you ?
              IF it was you or I, we would have likely been arrested/perhaps charged (sexual harrassment).. BUT somehow it was OK for the, then Natl PM ???
              WAKE UP !

          • I’ve told you here my firsthand knowledge of this waitress. I have literally never encountered such familiarity and rudeness. It was her MO and she was well known for it. I am many things but in this I do not lie. She has an MO which many locals here can bear out, whereas Sir John in over a decade of high profile never had a whiff of anything remotely inappropriate other than this woman’s accusations.

            It was a left wing beat up.

        • Blazer

           /  March 14, 2018

          well it’s all factual…sorry to inform you.

          • High Flying Duck

             /  March 14, 2018

            You’re a very sorry individual.

            • Blazer

               /  March 14, 2018

              and you are a very sad …duck when you think that any sexual abuse is down to political persuasion…fucken ludicrous.

            • High Flying Duck

               /  March 14, 2018

              You’re making things up now. The issue is the way Labour have handled it, not that Labour are the sole purveyors of abuse.
              Pull your head in.

            • Blazer

               /  March 14, 2018

              ‘could have handled it better’….a default footnote for just about every area of concern…roastbusters,Sabin,Hughes,Joyce….the absolute delight of a sniff of scandal…by the right,similar to the intern issue…which went…nowhere.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  March 14, 2018

              Anyone who sees anything sexual in John Key’s friendly attitude to little and young girls must have a mind like a sewage pond. People ruffle boys’ hair – is that also a sexual thing and fetish ? Get a grip, Blazer.

          • Wrong, wrong and wronger….

  12. Gezza

     /  March 14, 2018

    Beehoive Ledders

  13. duperez

     /  March 14, 2018

    What’s sexual assault? Has it to do with parts of the body or motive?
    Were the police called in for sexual assault reasons at the Rhythm and Vines festival in Gisborne?

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  March 14, 2018

      The bare-breasted girl who was touched reacted with force that was an assault in itself, if I remember rightly.

      The police can’t do anything if there’s no complaint made.

  14. High Flying Duck

     /  March 14, 2018

    Jacinda can’t trust Young Labour to keep their hands to themselves so has suspended all events until she can source thick woollen mittens for all attendees.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12012625

    • Blazer

       /  March 14, 2018

      how’s Bishop going on…Snapchat…these days?

      • High Flying Duck

         /  March 15, 2018

        Have you stopped beating your wife (or boyfriend) Blazer?

  15. David

     /  March 14, 2018

    Just caught a bit of Arderns media stand up, perhaps everyone could lay off her given she is pregnant and could probably do without the stress of this.

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  March 14, 2018

      She’s the Prime Minister and her pregnancy is irrelevant. She accepted the position when she was already pregnant and has said many times that she can do both things. She can’t be PM when it suits her and not when it doesn’t. If she can’t take the stress, she should resign.

      • Gezza

         /  March 14, 2018

        Why should she resign when she must surely be entitled to Stress Leave & counselling first?
        I blame the government.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  March 14, 2018

          Because the taxpayers pay her to be the Prime Minister, not a mother-to-be.

          • Gezza

             /  March 14, 2018

            Ya a hard sheila, Kits.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  March 14, 2018

              Not at all. The PM has a responsibility to the country of which they are PM. They can’t be it when it suits them and not when it doesn’t.

            • Why? This a person on $500,00 grand a year doing little else except promote her Ms Perfect brand about the world. She need to decide whether her take on being the accidental PM suits the real world or she continues to immerse herself in carefully crafted celebrity culture world. The one where her next magazine shoot and Gayford’s instagramming and fishing shows and columns take priority.

            • Gezza

               /  March 15, 2018

              If there’s tv cameras at the delivery I might agree with you.