Ardern on the Nation

Ardern was conspicuous by her absence from the first two programmes of The Nation this year, and also from the first Q&A.

She fronts up today on The Nation – possibly scheduled before her tough week at the Beehive office.

On why no one has been sacked over the summer camp mess.

“If everyone who ever made a mistake in their job was sacked, we wouldn’t be left with many people left, particularly in politics.”

Ardern keeps diverting from ‘political management’ to supporting the young people when asked why Minister Megan Woods and MP Liz Craig didn’t advise her about the problems.

Defending her MP Liz Craig, who was photographed at a table with Young Labour members drinking alcohol at the summer camp where the alleged sexual assaults took place. When asked if Ms Craig had met expectations: “I haven’t seen any evidence to suggest otherwise.”

Asked if the party intentionally insulated Ardern from the issue?

She disagrees. Strongly disagrees.

And then diverts back to ‘the young people’.

Asked again.

When asked if her party gave her “plausible deniability” by not telling her about the Labour summer camp allegations, replied: “Absolutely not. I push back on that very hard. That implies that our number-one concern here was political management. That’s not fair.”

And then diverts back to ‘the young people’.

How many other issues have been raised? She has seen one raised on social media.

Asked more specifically about any issues over the last ten years? She concedes some but only those reported in the media.

She was not asked to confirm that she knew nothing about the issue until Monday.


On Russia.

Ardern leaving the door open to a trade deal with Russia. “It is too early to say, under the current circumstances we find ourselves in with [the] Salisbury [nerve agent attack], to say if and when those negotiations and talks would restart.”

Four times now PM says too early to say if FTA talks with Russia will restart – no definitely ruling out.


On the proposed new prison.

The ‘out of control prison population’ is one of the biggest issues the Government has been grappling with.

They “should go back and have a look” at bail laws – a large part of the increase in prisoner numbers is as a result of changes to bail laws and an increase in the number of people on remand prior to trial.

On possible loosening of parole & bail laws: “We are not making justice-policy decisions based on bed capacity. We’re making decisions on what delivers the best outcomes in terms of safety for the community & reducing reoffending and improving rehab.”

She won’t say if they will build the prison or not. Still considering it.

“Do I want to build another prison? No. Do I want extra bed capacity? No. But am I being told that if we had an earthquake tomorrow, we wouldn’t have a place to put prisoners? Those are all things we’re having to grapple with”.

Believes consideration of a Waikeria Prison rebuild is not a betrayal of her commitment to Māori at Waitangi.


A lot on poverty policies, but little in definitive policy or commitments.

Staking her reputation on economic growth remaining stable after cutting immigration. “I don’t agree that that will be the consequences of our policies at all.

Says they don’t have any extra money specifically for child poverty in this budget – even though numbers of kids being raised from poverty revised downwards from 88,000 to 64,000

Working on a lot of things – except making commitments.

Not committing to implementing all recommendations from Climate Commission. She also won’t commit to ending oil and gas exploration permits. “I’m not going to pre-empt that decision, but we’re working on it.”

On Peters as acting Prime Minister – she ‘imagines’ she will stay in touch with him while on maternity leave.

She is adept at sounding strong and clear, but being vague.

“Let me be very clear about this. This is something we are working on and I can’t give you those answers at the moment.”

 

32 Comments

  1. Gezza

     /  March 17, 2018

    Righto. Got ma off the blower. I’ll have a dekko.

  2. David

     /  March 17, 2018

    Lisa Owen is not her usual combative interrupting self which is good, Ardern is excellent at deflecting and saying very little while talking a lot and she is excellent at that earnest expression which must have taken forever in front of the mirror to perfect.
    I dont mind her but I find it hard to warm to her and not sure why, nice woman but perhaps its the thought that she is acting and spinning all the time..false person perhaps.

    • PDB

       /  March 17, 2018

      She can spin what she likes on the Nation as who the hell watches it?

      • Gezza

         /  March 17, 2018

        I did. These aren’t boring old endless bullshitters like National’s were.
        These are new ones.

  3. David

     /  March 17, 2018

    Better second segment and she looks better when not under pressure. She bloody waffles without saying anything but she does it exceptionally well, the takeout from the interview from me is that they, unsurprisngly, are completely unprepared to be in government and are not even close to being up to speed. Probably dont need to be if they can just trundle Ardern out for an interview.

    • Gezza

       /  March 17, 2018

      I shouldn’t have picked up a guitar – although I worked out a cool new blues sequence to fit into my repertoire, must record it. It took my attention away from what she was saying sometimes. I agree that she kept saying the same thing & deflecting on the boozy sexual assault thing, but Lisa in the first segment kept really asking her the same question.

      She’s not going to say Kirton’s got to go. That’s it. She doesn’t dare. Hasn’t got that much control of the party anyway. Would still be dangerous for her. Has to say what she’s been told to still. Maybe in a year’s time she’ll call the shots more.

      She’s bloody good – better than Key – facing off Lisa Owen though. Never skips a beat. Owen’s not going to give her an easy ride – though when she did finally revert to her old trick of interrupting her guest, Jacinda just carried on talking over her until Lisa got the message that’s what’ll be happening. Ardern didn’t study comms just to learn how to crash a tractor.

      IN the second segment Jacinda was better and showed her grasp of a bit more detail than we’re used to. I think – this about when the blues riffs started to really zing.

      Ardern’s still head & shoulders above anyone else smarts-wise in her government.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  March 17, 2018

        That doesn’t say much for the rest.

        She is a lightweight and seems to lose it under pressure. That earnest look and frown/ nodding thing are becoming not only annoying but expected. Toothy grin – earnest look -frown – nodding….

        • Gezza

           /  March 17, 2018

          Yes she’ll have to watch she doesn’t get into that soothing patter pattern – that’s what Stevie wotsisname did and why nobody ever believed him.

          • Gezza

             /  March 17, 2018

            *Steven Joyce.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  March 17, 2018

            Maharey ?

            She appears not to be able to think on her feet. I am already tired of her mannerisms. The camp episode could hardly have been worse handled. Toothy grins and earnest expressions will only go so far,

            • Gezza

               /  March 17, 2018

              Garn. You’ve had it in for the poor kid for yonks.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  March 17, 2018

              Many people see her as a lightweight with annoying mannerisms. But I think that Emmerson’s cartoon of her teeth is uncalled for, even though she does show her gums when she smiles.

  4. Blazer

     /  March 17, 2018

    ‘Ardern was conspicuous by her absence from the first two programmes of The Nation this year, and also from the first Q&A.’…as if this is a core role of the P.M!
    This Govt has been in 5 minutes and people expect all the problems exacerbated by National in the last 9 years to be…addressed and solved.!Laughable.

    • Gezza

       /  March 17, 2018

      Yeah they do make me grin. The screaming shouldn’t really start until the budget. But still, Chris Hipkins and Kelvin & the partnership schools thing – untidy. And the Regional Development start ups – messy too.

    • Trevors_elbow

       /  March 17, 2018

      laughable…. very apt for your commentary

  5. artcroft

     /  March 17, 2018

    Salsa running up 30k on limos in the first fews weeks of govt, Sgt Ronnie commandeering his own Air Force One, Jones wandering Northland land with 1 billion to fritter away, Winston acting like Putins glove puppet all while Labour host pedo parties.

    What the hell sort of govt is this?

    • Blazer

       /  March 17, 2018

      none of those allegations withstand scrutiny…

      • PDB

         /  March 17, 2018

        Such as?

      • artcroft

         /  March 17, 2018

        I thought your answer would be something along the lines of “better than National enriching their mates” but I guess Salsa and Mark are head down and busy at the trough. Jones is calling up cousins he hasn’t seen in years telling them that if they can put together a ‘business plan’ he’ll give them however many hundreds of thousands/millions they ask for, (no strings/auditing requirements attached).

        Its beyond a f**kin joke. Ardern will look on in concern as the taxpayer is raped but “strongly refute” any suggestion that her govt is the worst in living memory. Look Clark wouldn’t put up with this shit.

    • PDB

       /  March 17, 2018

      Don’t worry – Twyford has announced Kiwibuild is up and running with houses all organised by the previous govt and NZL First all had a photo op the other day at the new Chatham Islands wharf (Tracy Martin even opened it) that National built and NZL First opposed the funding of in parliament. The new TPPA was signed off even though Labour, NZL First and the Greens all opposed it and the work of putting it all together was 99% completed under the National govt.

      • Zedd

         /  March 17, 2018

        your still in denial PDB.. Natl are the Opposition NOW !
        get over it.. 😀

        • PDB

           /  March 17, 2018

          This ‘National-lite’ govt are barely operating…what happens when they can’t rely on living off the work of the previous govt? More TAX.

          • Gezza

             /  March 17, 2018

            Might only be for rich people with a bit of luck? Although I’m getting a bit nervous about indirect taxes all over the show and I’m a property owner so they better fkn watch out if they do too much of that – I’ll have them!

            • PDB

               /  March 17, 2018

              I think we have to be careful about only caring if the tax affects ourselves – none of these proposed taxes are likely to affect me either but bad govt tax policy should still be slammed regardless of who is affected.

            • Gezza

               /  March 17, 2018

              Poor people always end up getting taxed too much.

            • Blazer

               /  March 17, 2018

              very rich people don’t pay direct tax..source..Sam Morgan..TMe founder.

    • David

       /  March 17, 2018

      And no trees planted, no houses built and really nothing else happening.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  March 17, 2018

        Sam Morgan would have paid plenty of other tax.

        Labour are happy to have people on $50,000 paying no tax and being given a handout of hundreds a week in some cases while people $10-12,000 pay tax instead of the paupers on $1000 a week.

  6. Zedd

     /  March 17, 2018

    Lisa Owen tends to be ‘a dog with a bone’.. IF she cant get a straight answer (to her way of thinking) she just asks the question again, in a slightly different slant.. Jacinda was GREAT returning ‘the serve’ 🙂

    • David

       /  March 17, 2018

      I quite like the more respectful tone as you actually want to hear the answer, Owen was so brutal with National Mps you never actually gleaned any info. More bloodsport than anything.

  7. Chuck Bird

     /  March 18, 2018

    It is not just about the children but also the parents. The parents had to sign forms for some of the children to go to the camp. The Labour Party were negligent in not providing supervision. The sexual assaults would propbeably not have happened if not for the alcohol. The parents deserve an apology.