Getting rid of “National are evil baby-eating doers”

I’ve often seen it joked that left wingers see National as baby-eating evil doers, but here it is actually stated:

Why would the GP want to unbundle from Labour when having an agreement with Labour brings them benefits they negotiated and want?

National are baby-eating evil doers. That’s the whole point.

I presume that’s just rhetoric, but it indicates a distinct distaste for anything about National.

The Greens position is (and has been for a long time) that they will work with any party where there is shared policy. For the Greens to work with National in govt National would have to change its economic, social and environmental policies. That’s not going to happen any time soon.

So Greens would only work with National if changed all their policies to Green policies? I don’t think ‘weka’ speaks on behalf of the Green Party, but I’ve seen this attitude expressed before. It’s completely out of touch with how politics works here, especially under MMP (the MMP that allowed Greens to get a presence in Parliament and recently a presence in Government.

And Greens got into Government without Labour and NZ First changing all their policies to Green policies. A lot of Labour policies are very similar or the same as National policies.

And the Greens have had to accept policies put into practice, like the CPTPP (that is supported by both Labour and National), and introduced bills, like the NZ First waka jumping bill, that the greens still oppose, in theory at least.

So this ‘Greens won’t deal with National unless they change all their policies’ is arrogant ignorance.

It’s nothing to do with the Greens being able to tell supporters that National aren’t evil, unless National stop being evil. Has that happened?

There’s an emphasis on ‘National are evil’, minus the baby eating.  It must just be a Green activist attitude – I don’t see James Shaw or Julie Anne Genter saying National are evil, and both seem prepared to work with National if it means progressing some common policy (as happened in the past over cycleways and house insulation).

“we can at least listen to any offer they give us, doesn’t mean they have to accept it but at least it’d mean Labour couldn’t take the Greens for granted any longer”

But the Greens are already in the position of listening to National make offers. National aren’t making any offers (and as above, they don’t have anything that the Greens are interested in).

National have sounded out Greens on some level of cooperation. They did during coalition negotiations. Simon Bridges did when he became National leader.

Green supporters like ‘weka’ are the ones not interested in listening to anyone, including National, who won’t fully accept Green ideals and policies.

“The other is that they have a stated intent to change how parliamentary democracy works in NZ.”

“Forming a government with National would certainly fall under those auspices I’d have thought”

Rofl. Funny as mate.

Not funny – it’s sad that some Green supporters seem like they will never accept working with National (conveniently forgetting when they have), and would hold their MPs to ‘National is evil’ type nonsense.

If Greens are serious about significantly changing how parliamentary democracy works in New Zealand – Chlöe Swarbrick was sounding out ideas on this on Twitter yesterday – then somehow they need to educate some of their supporters that that means they won’t get all their policies and ideals accepted and implemented, it means compromise, and it also means co-operation with all parties.

And it means getting rid of a “National are evil baby-eating evil doers” mentality, or at least democratically voting against the intransigence of those who promote extreme intolerance of other parties.

22 Comments

  1. Zedd

     /  March 18, 2018

    You have to wonder why; Natl have ‘no friends to play with’ ? 😀

    Could be their ‘one eyed economic views’ on the world: money, money, MONEY..then.. other ‘lesser issues’ maybe considered, as long as its not ‘Communism by stealth’ !!

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  March 18, 2018

      If your main support is Winston, what does that say about you?

      • Zedd

         /  March 18, 2018

        Its a 3 party Govt. Alan.. just in case you didnt notice ? :/

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  March 18, 2018

          I wonder if you have actually studied National’s policies and what they did in their time in office. Your statements tell us nothing and insult the voters as well as National.

        • High Flying Duck

           /  March 18, 2018

          It’s a 2 party Government with a 3rd party giving confidence and supply…and all their questions to the opposition.
          Winnie’s going to be PM in a few short months.

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  March 18, 2018

          So Labour has one friend and an opportunist fraud with a chip on his shoulder.

    • Gezza

       /  March 18, 2018

      You have to wonder what weka thinks a dictator is.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  March 18, 2018

        What would happen if Miss Ardern steps down when she finds that being a new, older mother and being MP/PM at the same time is nothing like as easy as she seems to imagine it will be be ?

        All Hell would break loose if Auntie Winnie became de jure PM and not merely de facto PM. Snap election, anyone ?

  2. Corky

     /  March 18, 2018

    Some blow-back from Green supporters on the radio. I don’t know why we are surprised. We have Parti, Zedd and Robert. Surely we are well conditioned against fanaticism?

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  March 18, 2018

      Gezza,,,,please note that I have managed not to answer this with the obvious riposte.

      • Pickled Possum

         /  March 19, 2018

        Your doing Very Good Miss.I prob would have said something smart-arse like …

        “Fanatical = a person filled with excessive and single-minded zeal, especially for an extreme religious or political cause”.

        Fanaticism = the quality of being fanatical.
        “the dangers of religious fanaticism”
        synonyms: zealotry, zeal, extremism, militancy, sectarianism, fundamentalism, bigotry, dogmatism, chauvinism, radicalism, immoderation.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  March 19, 2018

          I note that you, too, have managed not to make the resoonse that I managed not to make to Corky who was asking for it. We both deserve Brownie Points for NOT SAYING IT 😀 😀 😀

          I bet that you were THINKING it !!! 😀

    • Ray

       /  March 18, 2018

      Where is Robert?
      He is normally here to put the green spin on everything.
      Possibly away picking 🍏.

    • Fight4NZ

       /  March 18, 2018

      Better still i bet you have a mirror

    • Fight4NZ

       /  March 18, 2018

      If you need to see fanaticism

  3. PDB

     /  March 18, 2018

    “For the Greens to work with National in govt National would have to change its economic, social and environmental policies. That’s not going to happen any time soon.”

    For the Greens to go with National the National party would have to do things like want the Kermadec Ocean Sanctuary, build something like a National cycle-way & not pander to the fishing & racing industry.

    Far better for the Greens to stay tied to Labour/NZL First which means no TPPA, no anti-democratic ‘waka-jumping’ legislation, a water tax, non removal of fishing boat cameras & Winston consulting & working closely with them before every govt decision is made.

  4. Trevors_elbow

     /  March 18, 2018

    Weka… mad little birds. An apt name for the dominatrix of the Standard S and M mob…..

  5. Fight4NZ

     /  March 18, 2018

    They would need to come up with a plan that wasn’t just a short term patch up job to get themselves another 3 years. Especially when that translates to do everything possible to sell esthe maximum number of assets to foreign buyers you can. State assets if you can get away with it, private by making FIO toothless and give away residency like confetti -to bad if it generates runaway house price inflation.
    But then the new govt has taken zero steps to change this course.