Q&A – join the Zero Carbon conversation

Climate Change Minister James Shaw has announced “From today New Zealanders can register their interest in being part of the Government’s consultation on what the Zero Carbon Bill should look like”.

If you don’t think ‘zero carbon’ is practical or feasible can you be a part of the conversation?

Sign up to join the Zero Carbon Bill conversation

“We know many New Zealanders want to be part of the discussion on how we reduce our emissions and want to be kept updated in the lead up to formal consultation starting around the end of May.

“So we’ve set up an online registration process on the Ministry for the Environment website for individuals or organisations who want to be kept informed between now and then.

“You don’t have to register to be part of the consultation. Anyone can make a submission. And we’re planning lots of activities before and during the consultation process to ensure everyone knows how they can make submissions and be part of the national conversation on climate change and the Zero Carbon Bill.”

The Zero Carbon Bill will be a cornerstone of New Zealand’s transition to a low emission climate resilient future that will help us achieve our international commitments.

“This whole transition has to be shared by all of us. Consultation has to be with New Zealanders across the country; from farmers and factory workers, to iwi and innovators. We want everyone’s thoughts and ideas.”

The consultation will also cover the role of the new independent Climate Change Commission.  The Commission is intended to take a long-term non-partisan view, provide independent advice to the government of the day, and ensure New Zealand stays on track to meet its climate change goals.

“I’d encourage anyone who’s interested in being part of the discussion on the Zero Carbon Bill to sign up at the Ministry for the Environment’s website here. And tell your friends to sign up too.”

The sign up page: Have your say on the Zero Carbon Bill

What to expect

Zero Carbon Bill

  • The Government has signalled that it will introduce a Zero Carbon Bill in late-2018 to provide a vision for how we transition to a sustainable and climate resilient future.

  • The Bill will see New Zealand put a bold new emissions reduction target into law, and establish an independent Climate Change Commission to keep us on track to meet our goals.

  • Consultation on the Zero Carbon Bill will open in late May. Information on the Bill’s proposals will be released at that time.

So it seems that it’s a bit early to be having a conversation about it.

Shaw will be having a conversation this morning on Q&A.

Shaw first has announced a new Green policy – they are going to give all their ‘patsy’ questions in question time to the Opposition. He says the Government questions are a waste of time, and Question Time should be about holding the Government to account.

This isn’t just talk, it is real action and it’s positive for Parliament, and Shaw and the Greens deserve credit for doing this.

This follows a Green commitment to publish their MP’s diaries as a move towards more open government.

These are fundamental democratic changes that the Greens can differentiate themselves from the other Government parties on.

Shaw was adamant that it isn’t an olive branch towards National.

26 Comments

  1. Maggy Wassilieff

     /  March 18, 2018

    If you don’t think ‘zero carbon’ is practical or feasible
    Zero Carbon would look like nothing that is alive or had ever lived.

    • Griff

       /  March 18, 2018

      Hear now this, O foolish people, and without understanding; which have eyes, and see not; which have ears, and hear not.

      Zero carbon.

      Carbon neutrality, or having a net zero carbon footprint, refers to achieving net zero carbon emissions by balancing a measured amount of carbon released with an equivalent amount sequestered or offset, or buying enough carbon credits to make up the difference. It is used in the context of carbon dioxide releasing processes associated with transportation, energy production, and industrial processes such as production of carbon neutral fuel.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_neutrality

      • David

         /  March 18, 2018

        Countries with a zero carbon footprint;

        Congo
        Chad
        Burundi

        We just need to follow their lead and see what a success it will be for all.

    • The announcement is about how the Greens are going to do politics differently.

      I wonder if that includes genuine cross-spectrum engagement.

    • A good move by the Greens. It shouldn’t do them any harm, but it promotes a more effective Parliament by actions, not just words.

  2. Alan Wilkinson

     /  March 18, 2018

    Zero carbon is an accounting fantasy that is subject to arbitrary boundaries, highly uncertain estimates and the usual accounting tricks to obtain the desired result.

    If you want to make a difference do things better and more efficiently which will be good for everyone as well as the environment.

    • Griff

       /  March 18, 2018

      Catch up David
      Its 2018 not 1890.
      We no longer need to dig up and burn hydrocarbons to provide energy.
      We did not leave the stone age because we run out of stone.
      Humanity will leave the hydrocarbon age long before we have burnt all the resources available .

      I know its hard for our RWNJ’s. Identifying with an ideology that is proud of its willful ignorance is not a thing to be proud of.

      Climate change is real and is not going away no matter how much you bury your collective heads in the sand.
      If conservatives insist on failing to engage with reality they will have no say in the shape of the future for our species.

      We will continue to proceed towards carbon neutral economy’s.
      Or human civilization is doomed.

      • David

         /  March 18, 2018

        “We no longer need to dig up and burn hydrocarbons to provide energy.”

        Yes we do. The fact we are still doing it tells you this need remains.

        “Humanity will leave the hydrocarbon age long before we have burnt all the resources available .”

        Completely correct.

        “Climate change is real and is not going away no matter how much you bury your collective heads in the sand.”

        You are the one burying you’re head in the sand. A politician setting a date by which the country will be ‘carbon neutral’ will make no difference to climate change whatsoever.

        • Griff

           /  March 18, 2018

          https://www.royalsociety.org.nz/assets/documents/Commonwealth-Academies-Consensus-Statement-on-Climate-Change-12-March-2018.pdf

          The Commonwealth academies of science call upon Commonwealth Heads of Government to use the best possible scientific evidence to guide action on t
          heir 2030 commitments under the Paris accord, and to take further action to achieve
          net-zero greenhouse gases emissions during the second half of the 21
          st Century

          One ignorant antiscience nut on a blog .
          Or the joint academies of science of the commonwealth.
          Gee hard choice.
          .
          .
          not.

          The reason we have failed to act is because of a concerted campaign of misinformation generated by those who seek to maintain their profits over our future .

          We have the technology .
          We need the political will.

          What we don’t need is any time for ignorant idiots who repeat long debunked garbage and nonsense endlessly when ever the topic comes up.

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  March 18, 2018

            You exemplify what you complain about. The assorted collection of science would-be politicians have as little clue about what the future holds as anyone else and rather less than most who put their money where their mouths are.

            Economic incentives are not confined to those opposed to climate alarmism. Very much the opposite.

          • David

             /  March 18, 2018

            “We have the technology .
            We need the political will.”

            The only reason you need political ‘will’, is because you need to enforcement. You need to force people into change in other words. That is because the technology is not there, people will be poorer because of the change. If they were better off as a result, you would not need any political will at all!

            • Griff

               /  March 18, 2018

              You really are an idiot Dave.

              Tragedy of the commons as covered in Economics 101.
              The cost of fossil fuel use doesn’t account for the cost of dumping the by products into the atmosphere.

              According to every reputable study known.
              The increasing cost of weather disasters and sea level rise will accede the cost of efforts to limit climate change well before we reach 2C.

              Note that geophysical costs are static.
              Making the wingnut argument “there is more assets in harms way” an easily dismissed load of dribble .

              We are already committed to over 1.5 C from preindustrial temperatures at present atmospheric levels of CO2.

              Renewable power is cheaper than burning hydro carbon and still falling .

            • David

               /  March 18, 2018

              “Tragedy of the commons as covered in Economics 101.
              The cost of fossil fuel use doesn’t account for the cost of dumping the by products into the atmosphere.”

              If you want to resolve this, you simply put a Pigovian tax in place and its solved.

              “Renewable power is cheaper than burning hydro carbon and still falling .”

              If renewable energy is cheaper than thermal, then everyone will switch to it, and there is no need for political ‘will’. You are worrying about a problem that is already solved.

            • Griff

               /  March 18, 2018

              ROFL

              The only reason you need political ‘will’, is because you need to enforcement. You need to force people into change in other words. That is because the technology is not there, people will be poorer because of the change. If they were better off as a result, you would not need any political will at all!

              If you want to resolve this, you simply put a Pigovian tax in place and its solved.

              gee mate
              You have issues with actually staying with any argument you make
              ‘because you just make up shite all the time.
              No wonder you worship trump..
              Fantasist.
              He is as idiotic as you are .

              No Dave the problem is not solved until we see the keeling curve reverse.
              We have the technology.
              We also need the will .We need political backing of the technology changes we are facing to generate the growth in their implementation and resulting falling price curves.
              like this one for solar.

              Renewable energy is only one facet of the changes we need to undertake in the global economy.
              Having targets to go carbon neutral mean something .

            • David

               /  March 18, 2018

              “He is as idiotic as you are .”

              Can I ask why you have such a need to insult at every turn?

              “We have the technology.
              We also need the will ”

              As I said, you have claimed that renewables are now cheaper. That means everyone will move to them regardless of your ‘will’, the economics as simple.

              “Renewable energy is only one facet of the changes we need to undertake in the global economy.
              Having targets to go carbon neutral mean something ”

              What other changes do you want?

            • Griff

               /  March 18, 2018

              Gee David
              “I want”
              That is a little trick idiots use to stop them engaging with the truth .
              You are not arguing with Griff mate .
              You are arguing against all the worlds governments except one* and the vast majority of the worlds scientific community.
              http://unfccc.int/paris_agreement/items/9485.php
              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change#Academies_of_science_(general_science)
              why do I insult you ?
              Because you regularly insult my intelligence with your idiocy and vacant repeating of stupid gibbering from the right wing conservative lunatic USA.

              If you don’t know why the simple fact that renewables are cheaper is not going to change the way we use energy you need to actually think about your political ideology.

              In NZ Electricity made up only 11 percent of all CO2 emissions in 2015.
              We still have to resolve our emissions from Transport.Agriculture, Land use, Manufacturing.
              We need to expand renewable generation to take up a larger share of these emission sources.

              Some changes that would help include
              At present in this country if you generate surplus electricity from roof top solar your power company pays only about 7 cents a kilowatt and on sells it to your neighbors for 30cents. The amount paid by energy retailers should reflect the spot price of energy at the time of generation not the lowest possible wholesale price.
              If you wanted to install a wind turbine or micro hydro and set up a local grid to sell to your nigbours it would not be allowed .
              The resource management act needs a review. Costs are prohibitive for micro generation and distributed energy sources due to box ticking and nimby interference .

              *You know the one lead by another idiot who is trying to reinvigorate the USA coal industry.

            • David

               /  March 18, 2018

              “You are not arguing with Griff mate”

              Ah, so you are just a copy paste bot then I assume.

              “The resource management act needs a review. ”

              Isn’t this a way of managing the tragedy of the commons? Economics 101 and all that…

  3. Zedd

     /  March 18, 2018

    The Greens are just saying “Hey, lets actually start addressing this issue.. rather than just talk about it.. but do very little” (as is happening in many countries). Aotearoa/NZ is supposedly proud of the ‘Clean Green 100% pure’ LOGO.. maybe its time to actually start living up to it !
    More dui & less hui..

    “Good Job Mr Shaw” 🙂

    • Zedd

       /  March 18, 2018

      btw: We could grown HEMP.. in vast quantities rather than keep ‘freaking out about MJ’ & use it to make, enviro-friendly: paper, textiles, plastics, biofuels, building materials etc. etc. 🙂

      Just ask Shane Jones !! 😦

      • David

         /  March 18, 2018

        Is hemp paper better than paper made from trees?

        • NOEL

           /  March 18, 2018

          Don’t expect the price of hemp paper to be as cheap as the supermarket special ream,
          http://www.hempsa.co.za/Uses/Fibre/ChallengeHempPaper.htm

        • Zedd

           /  March 18, 2018

          YES Hemp paper is better; very little chemicals needed to break it down & bleach it.
          YES Hemp Plastics are better; Biodegradable unlike oil based
          YES Hemp Biofuels are better, they take in CO2 as it grows, carbon neutral
          YES Hemp Textiles are better, require little pesticides & fertilisers, unlike cotton
          YES Hemp building materials are better, take months to grow, trees take decades
          YES Hemp is better, by far.. its the LAW that SUX !!!

          • David

             /  March 18, 2018

            I’m aware they are made from hemp, my question is why these products are better. Any organic matter can be made into biofuel, why is hemp better?

            Cotton underwear are nice, are hemp underwear just as comfortable and last as many washes?

            How do you make a truss out of hemp?

      • Maggy Wassilieff

         /  March 18, 2018