Government actively considering whether to decide on oil exploration

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern personally received a Greenpeace petition calling foe an end to oil exploration at Parliament today, and said that the Government was actively considering what to do, but didn’t give any more specifics.

Stuff:  Ardern says Government ‘actively considering’ call to end oil exploration

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has delayed attending a state visit to personally receive a Greenpeace petition calling for the end of oil exploration.

Greenpeace said the petition was signed by 45,000 people, including Dame Jane Campion, Taika Waititi and actor Lucy Lawless.

Greenpeace climate campaigner Kate Simcock said Ardern had won praise for describing climate change as New Zealand’s “nuclear free moment” but now had to put the words into action.

Standing in front of a series of posters of Labour leaders which had made high profile environmental decisions, Ardern said her Government was “actively considering” the issue.

Although her statement was light on details and Ardern has previously refused to rule out ending offering new exploration blocks, the decision to walk to the front of Parliament was highly symbolic.

“We’re working hard on this issue and we know that it’s one that we can’t afford to spend much time on,” Ardern said at the Greenpeace rally.

“But we are actively considering it now and we are considering all of these issues in mind and with this government’s pledge that we will be carbon neutral by 2050, that’s not in question.

“But these are the intermediate decisions that we have to make in between. So while I ask for time, I’m not asking for much. But just enough that we can make sure that we factor in everything that you would ask us to factor in,” Ardern said, including “grave environmental concerns”.

Which didn’t really say a lot, but Ardern has already walked back on this.

By 4pm Ardern appeared to walk back the comments, saying consideration of what to do with the process under which areas are offered for oil exploration was something that “every government does around this time of year”.

So they are “actively considering” something that “every government does around this time of year”

Ardern is going to have to start delivering on some of her implied support or she will disillusion people and groups.

 

69 Comments

  1. artcroft

     /  March 19, 2018

    She can’t keep Green support and continue exploration. Not sure why she is dragging this out. Might as well confirm what the country already knows. NZ is ruled by a 70 year old pensioner from Tauranga and the small group of left wing celebrities.

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  March 19, 2018

      We need oil and it’s foolish to pretend that we don’t.

      Yes, Auntie Winnie made it clear that he’s a pensioner 😀

      • Also demented in as much as he didn’t notice he was overpaid for seven years

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  March 20, 2018

          What is a worry is not the thought of him doing this on purpose, I don’t believe that and never will, but I am concerned that a lawyer is so careless that he signed things for 7 years without reading them.

          We have all blahblahed down small print, but this was a lot more than that. What else will he sign without reading it properly ? I have a wonderful lawyer, but if he did this, I might well discreetly change .

    • Mefrostate

       /  March 19, 2018

      How did you think MMP worked before this?

  2. Blazer

     /  March 19, 2018

    No new exploration needed.Bridges negotiations with Anadarko are an indictment on how not to..negotiate.40% of PROFITS!!…no thanks.

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  March 19, 2018

      You surely don’t think that companies do this sort of thing free of charge ?

    • David

       /  March 19, 2018

      That’s what Venezuela thought when they kicked all the O&G companies out.

      • Blazer

         /  March 19, 2018

        Oil revenue 2 billion…expenses 1.99 billion…NZ share= 40% of $100,000….thanks…backwater..suckers.

  3. PartisanZ

     /  March 19, 2018

    I heard all the exploration companies have given up and gone after numerous trial drills and much mineral testing?

    There may not be much left to “actively consider” …?

    • chrism56

       /  March 19, 2018

      I suspect that your hearing is as bad as your reasoning capabilities PZ.
      There is still a lot of oil (and gas) out there and quite a number of basins that haven’t been explored. Maybe no North Slope but enough for NZ consumption for the forseeable future. A large oil field might be the size of Lake Rotorua. Think how many holes you would need to drill within 30km of the coastline to hit something that size.

      • Griff

         /  March 20, 2018

        enough for NZ consumption for the forseeable future

        More dribbling
        We don’t use the oil we extract presently It gets exported .

        I know its hard to engage with reality when you are a wingnut
        The world is going away from burning fossil fuels .
        You will not stop this happening.
        Your attempts to do so are futile.
        You should be looking for ways to make this change successful not clinging to the past like some backwards buggy whip maker.

    • Gezza

       /  March 19, 2018

      On 1ewes they showed her telling the petitioners they had to consider such things as how many peoples jobs depend on it.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  March 19, 2018

        Some hope. I used to support Greenpeace and was a member for years, but they seem to have become very one-eyed and Luddite.

        I bet that none of them walked all the way with the petition and that they all have computers and other things that need oil .

        • Gezza

           /  March 19, 2018

          Well, to be fair that IS something that they have to consider. They were all about jobs, not job losses. The Greens don’t care about that. Labour has to.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  March 19, 2018

            Greenpeace doesn’t seem to, either. That’s what I meant; that this has to be taken into account. It’s too late to turn the clock back on the use of oil altogether,

            But if Labour is dishing out pay rises left, right and centre, the result is likely to be the old ‘sinking lid’ and counter-productive,

      • Blazer

         /  March 19, 2018

        the usual validation…x many jobs exaggerated by 10…economic benefits exaggerated by…20…sorry we’re not falling for that..these days.Fossil fuels on the way out.Get an electric..car.

        • Gezza

           /  March 19, 2018

          Shit. Ok. Why isn’t she just telling the petitioners that?

          • Blazer

             /  March 19, 2018

            can’t upset huge oil corporations…massive political…influence.

            • Gezza

               /  March 19, 2018

              Are you saying all Jacinda is is a PR act, just a megaphone for others?

            • Blazer

               /  March 19, 2018

              @Gezza..I’m saying that being diplomatic is part and parcel of..politics.Thought you may have figured that..out.

            • Gezza

               /  March 19, 2018

              I was just checking. I expect you’re not impressed with anything less than the truth.

            • Blazer

               /  March 19, 2018

              O.W..’“The truth is rarely pure and never simple.”

            • Gezza

               /  March 19, 2018

              Oprah Winfrey says everybody gets free stuff too.

            • Blazer

               /  March 19, 2018

              that is ..spam…something you haven’t indulged in for a while.

            • Gezza

               /  March 19, 2018

              That was a pointless quote by someone with the initials O. W. The issue here is you are implying Jacinda’s principles are as buyable as National’s. I don’t think it’s quite that simple. There are votes in this & jobs in this. I’m going to be interested to see if Labour cave in, or compromise, or just tell the Greenies, nicely, to bugger off.

            • Blazer

               /  March 20, 2018

              you may be unimpressed by the brilliance of Oscar Wilde,but many have a very high opinion of his….wit.

        • chrism56

           /  March 19, 2018

          That has to be one of the stupidest statements you have made Blazer and that is saying something. Where is the electricity going to come from to power electric cars? – Oh I know, burning fossil fuel in a power station that is reliable, unlike the unreliable wind and solar.

          • PartisanZ

             /  March 19, 2018

            An oil-fired power station to produce electricity that powers electric cars!?

            Such wisdom! Such reasoning capabilities beyond compare!

          • Blazer

             /  March 19, 2018

            you probably don’t realise NZ is blessed with abundant renewable Hydro electric..power.

  4. chrism56

     /  March 19, 2018

    Yes PZ because you have no grasp of actual facts. Currently NZ is only generating 105MW on wind. Yet 155MW on the old Huntly unit1, 450 on gas and 93MW on cogen. So 15% of the power is thermal.

    • Blazer

       /  March 19, 2018

      and how much hydro…Einstein?

      • chrism56

         /  March 19, 2018

        Everything they can get – Ignoramous. they aren’t spilling and lake storage isn’t good. that is why Huntly is on. They use hydro and geothermal before everything else. Wind is so unreliable Transpower only count on 5% of its name plate. Everything else is fossil fuels – 20-25% of NZs load. So you increase demand and they burn more coal.

        • Griff

           /  March 19, 2018

          Wind is so unreliable Transpower only count on 5% of its name plate.

          Bullshit .
          https://www.transpower.co.nz/sites/default/files/bulk-upload/documents/SoS%20Annual%20Assessment%202013%20PUBLISH.pdf
          Foot note pg 15

          The baseline assumption of a 20% capacity factor for wind was based on stochastic
          modelling, and was part of the work done in the developmentof the capacity
          standard. It accounted for hourly distributions of wind output across sites. The conclusion of the analysis was that a 100 MW wind farm provides peaking capacity equal in value to a 20MW faststart peaking plant.

          like all wingnuts when energy comes up.
          You pull facts out your arse.
          You live in a world were no change is ever possible .

          Simple fix for at lest the next ten years as electric cars come on line.
          Reasonable feed in tariff for distributed solar .
          Smart metering so it becomes economic to store surpluses using existing distributed battery storage tech .

          long term.
          Tell the fat tart at Rio Tinto to fuck off and build transmission lines .

          • chrism56

             /  March 20, 2018

            No Griff – you are displaying both the ignorance of the how the energy system works and your obnoxious behavior that got you banned from Kiwiblog which is really some achievement, considering how tolerant DPF is.
            The 5% is from the grid security documents. Go over the generation data, there are significant periods when the total wind generation in the country is less than 10MW from over 800MW nameplate. The 20-25% is because a lot of thermal generation is off grid and embedded so it doesn’t show in the data. All the dairy factory boilers and turbines for example. With regards your comments on batteries, at the recent Downstream conference, one of the guest speakers said
            South Australia’s 100 MW Tesla ‘battery’ provides 3 per cent of the state’s peak demand for an hour. De Rango called it a “political exercise” to find a solution “on Twitter” and which could be installed before the state’s election, held on Saturday.
            “But the battery would need to be “much, much, much bigger” to be the full solution. Behind the scenes, a large number of negotiations are happening around demand-response which has a real role to play. In February the state also signed a deal with Tesla for a ‘virtual power-plant’ of 50,000 solar homes generating 250 MW of power and 650 MWh of storage. That project is expected to cost about AUD $800 million. The technology will have a life-span of 15-to-20 years. De Rango contrasts that with the Snowy Hydro 2.0 pumped hydro project. At a cost of AUD $8 billion it will provide 2 GW of generation and about 350,000 GWh of storage for at least eight decades. On a per-megawatt basis that is 50-times cheaper up-front than the Tesla solar and batteries option, and 250-times cheaper over its life-cycle.
            “It’s cheaper to dig a hole in the ground.” “

            • Griff

               /  March 20, 2018

              chrism56 under discussion was NZ electrical energy generation
              When I pointed out you talk shite you start gibbering about AU.
              and boilers used for industrial heating*. Small furry animal hunting much.

              I suggested a solution to the coming electric car electricity requirements in NZ not one for AU’s love of lumps of coal.

              As to KB
              I got repeated suspensions for calling a gibbering crank a gibbering crank not for abusing bullshiteing wingnuts.

              *Major use in dairy industry is pulling down a vacuum to evaporate off moisture.

            • Griff

               /  March 20, 2018

              chrism56
              When you cut and paste large screeds of text attribute them so I can see for my self and read the entire thing not just what you have chosen to quote mine .
              Or just laugh because your source is a crank blog or legacy industry pr effort .

            • David

               /  March 20, 2018

              “Major use in dairy industry is pulling down a vacuum to evaporate off moisture.”

              No its not. Sad that you are so ignorant.

            • Griff

               /  March 20, 2018

              Have a look at a dairy factory.
              See that big tall building.
              It houses a set of evaporators.
              They use steam to both heat the liquid and produce vacuum.
              New Zealand’s top four dairy export products are: whole milk powder (37%), cheese (12%), skim milk powder (10%), and butter (9%)
              No evaporators no milk powder.

              FWIW
              I am qualified to run an industrial steam plant and have a decade of expertise in running weiland falling film evaporators .

            • David

               /  March 20, 2018

              “No evaporators no milk powder.”

              The evap fans would be between 10-20% of the connected load for a typical dryer plant. A significant part of the load for a single process unit, however across the whole industry it does not stand out as anything special as far as total usage goes.

            • chrism56

               /  March 20, 2018

              Griff sweetie -Calling everyone who disagrees with you a nutjob and the adhom insults – is that projection, insecurity, or just the pot calling the kettle black? You and Blazer are a pair well matched.
              I know exactly what I wrote. You just aren’t careful enough in your reading – one of your many failings. There are a number of back pressure turbines generating electricity at dairy factories powered by steam from their coal fired boilers (which at Fonterra total about 800MW(th) like those at Clandeboye and Te Awamutu. This is in addition to the GTs and HRSGs at other sites. By the way, showing your lack of understanding (only got stationary engine drivers’ certificate, have you? They give those away in the Weetbix packets) , most of the steam is used for process heat, not vacuum. Look at the heat balances.
              Last time I saw a published figure, there was about 250MW embedded thermal generation in NZ, the big one being Glenbrook. That is baseload stuff, not part-timers like wind/ solar. Since then, several other plants have been commissioned.
              Here is the link to the article I quoted from.
              http://www.energynews.co.nz/news-story/engineering/36967/lessons-nz-australian-storage-projects

            • Griff

               /  March 20, 2018

              The evap fans
              ROFL
              Jesus mate
              you don’t even know how an evap works
              ya run stem though an injector and condense it .
              That’s what pulls the vacuum.
              Why a vacuum?
              Lowers the energy used to evaporate off water .
              Running under vacuum also means lower temperatures
              lower temperatures mean you alter the product less.
              You use the warmth from the condensate to heat the tubes and run a series of evap tubes at proceedly higher vacuums .

              https://nzic.org.nz/ChemProcesses/dairy/3C.pdf

              In other words .
              You are a fwit pulling facts out your arse…sweety.

            • chrism56

               /  March 20, 2018

              No Griff, that isn’t how ejectors work – you are pulling facts out of your arse, to use your own words. A steam ejector works by the rapid expansion of steam creating low pressure area (Bernoulli’s effect, then creating shock waves in the venturi preventing back flow .

            • Griff

               /  March 20, 2018

              Yip
              aka ventury effect
              Been a couple of decades since i last run a plant
              you do note I will conceded when i am wrong
              unlike some

            • David

               /  March 20, 2018

              “The evap fans
              ROFL
              Jesus mate
              you don’t even know how an evap works
              ya run stem though an injector and condense it .”

              Oh dear. You are getting confused with Thermal Vapor Re compression. Most plants operate with MVR fans, Mechanical Vapor Re-compression, it’s far more energy efficient.

              https://www.gea.com/en/binaries/mechanical-vapor-recompression-evaporation-distillation-gea_tcm11-34894.pdf

            • David

               /  March 20, 2018

              “Been a couple of decades since i last run a plant”

              It shows.

            • Griff

               /  March 20, 2018

              What shows is your guys failure to understand that going carbon free is not an option for humanity.
              NZ lost 2% of GDP last year due to weather .
              That cost will rise exponentially into the future as long as we continue to increase the atmospheric content of CO2.
              Yet you guys think climate change is not a problem and we can save money by not acting now.

            • chrism56

               /  March 20, 2018

              If you want to play links Griff. Here is why it is a venturihttps://www.google.co.nz/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwju_OmBuvrZAhXMW7wKHeLjAqAQtwIIUTAD&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DqY2Q9_YsNv4&usg=AOvVaw2-ti7FQ6mupA_NEemwgRmF
              or maybe from the company that actually builds them
              http://www.graham-mfg.com/usr/pdf/TechLibVacuum/23.PDF

        • Griff

           /  March 19, 2018

          Everything else is fossil fuels – 20-25% of NZs load.

          More bullshite.
          Quarterly renewable generation from your link below to sep2017.
          83.0% 82.2% 83.4% 85.4%R 88.1% 86.1% 79.5% 80.6%
          The low figure of the last two quarters is due to exceptional drought in the south up to end of last year .
          Your arse sourced 20 – 25% becomes 12-18% max 20%..

      • Alloytoo

         /  March 19, 2018

        Hydro is not infinite. (And the Greens would still object to it anyway)

        • chrism56

           /  March 19, 2018

          You are right Ally. Clyde will be the last big hydro built – at least until the lights go out.

        • Blazer

           /  March 19, 2018

          what is infinite?…besides …stupidity…of course.

          • chrism56

             /  March 19, 2018

            We know stupidity is infinite Blazer, you are proving it.

  5. chrism56

     /  March 19, 2018

    Here is actual energy consumption
    http://www.mbie.govt.nz/info-services/sectors-industries/energy/energy-data-modelling/publications/new-zealand-energy-quarterly
    To stop using fossil fuels in power stations, you need 5 times the number of wind farms that are currently there, as there is no more hydro and very little geothermal left. To replace the petrol use, you need an addition three times the wind farms. To replace the diesel, it is another 4 times the number of windfarms. So that is 12 times the number of windfarms to go carbon neutral – minus all the fossil fuels used to build and maintain them, and replace them every 15 years. And the lights will still go out when the wind stops blowing
    So stop beating you little mantras Blazer and PZ. Provide real information to support your fairy stories. .

    • Blazer

       /  March 19, 2018

      ‘The great thing about hydro generation is that it can be increased or decreased quickly to meet peak demand for electricity. ‘..MCY…Tiwai Pt uses 13% of NZ’s hydro power.There will only be no more hydro left if it stops..raining.

      • alloytoo

         /  March 20, 2018

        The dams also need to full up during off peak, hydro power is like a battery, governed by the capacity of the dam.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  March 19, 2018

      It’s ok. B only wants to drive on windy days. And doesn’t mind if the electric cars get shipped here in expensive new nuclear-powered container boats. Greens will get theirs here on sailing boats. Of course ordinary folk won’t be able to afford any of this and will have to go back to bicycles with shopping baskets.

      • Blazer

         /  March 19, 2018

        have you been drinking you… S.O.F?And I’m paying..for it.

  6. adamsmith1922

     /  March 19, 2018

    I think you will find that much of NZ hydro is ‘run of the river’ thus increasing generation in many places is not practical.

    • Blazer

       /  March 20, 2018

      Stunning observation Adam….yes.. where there are no rivers,you won’t find Hydro -electric power stations!

      • adamsmith1922

         /  March 20, 2018

        Typically run of the river means little or no storage, thus no capacity beyond run of the river

        • Gezza

           /  March 20, 2018

          Jacinda talking to Mike Hosking on ZB soon about it. Will see how she gets on. He did an unbelievably rubbish anti-Labour rant about it earlier.

          • Gezza

             /  March 20, 2018

            Gave nothing away really. Just talked as fast as him and said nothing much. God she’s reminding me of Steven Joyce lately.

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  March 20, 2018

        That utterly stupid contribution deserves the downtick that I never give, B. Anyone but you would be embarrassed by it.

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