Overreaction to silly Genter ‘old white men’ comments

Green MP and Minister for Women Julie Anne Genter said something a bit silly last week about old white men, and she wasn’t helped by a misleading headline.

Stuff (Thursday 22 March): Minister for Women says old white men should ‘move on’ from company boards

Women’s Minister Julie Anne Genter says old white men need to “move on” from company boards to help close the gender pay gap.

Speaking to students at Christchurch’s Cobham Intermediate School on Thursday, Genter said the private sector needed to address the low level of female representation on New Zealand company boards if more businesses were to be led by women.

About 85 per cent of board members were male, and many were “old white men in their 60s”.

“Some of them need to move on and allow for diversity and new talent,” she said, later clarifying she had “no problem with old white men” on company boards generally.

Targeting people on the basis of their age, gender and race is not a good look for someone whose Ministry is supposed to promote equality.

If someone said that female immigrants in their thirties weren’t experienced enough to be a Minister and should stand down there would probably have been an uproar.

It doesn’t give a lot of credence to campaigning on equality when you single out very specific groups.

As it turns out, Genter’s comments did stir things up in social media, and it is still in the news this morning (on Newshub). Duncan Garner has just said that she is a Minister and not a protester, so should start acting like one.  It will be interesting to see if there’s a reaction to that.

She would have been better to promote and encourage diversity on boards positively rather than dumping on some directors and one narrow demographic.

Genter is free to say what she likes, but has to bear the consequences if others take her to task. She has been both defiant and defensive of her comments, but I suspect she will have learnt a lesson from this. She should have.

But some of the criticism is going too far:

That’s ironic, given that petitions have been a tactic often used by the Green Party and associated groups when in Opposition.

This pitiful & severely uneducated attack is not to be tolerated in New Zealand, Aotearoa: a country founded on a partnership between many peoples. We are better than that. We all know we are.

Julie Anne Genter no longer deserves to represent NZ or to even be a NZer.

She does not represent us. Our children do not need to read or hear such things. Times up. You are the minority.

In signing this petition we urge you, our Prime Minister the Rt. Hon. Jacinda Ardern to remove her from Parliament and deport her from NZ.. It is in your power. Set a precedent for the country and a message that this will not be tolerated and hate speech of this type is not welcome here.

That’s a pathetic and ridiculous over-reaction.

If  all MPs who said something silly were forced to resign, or were sacked, there would be on one running the country.

Online petitions are a modern form of free speech but they are open to abuse, as is the case here.

 

136 Comments

  1. Alan Wilkinson

     /  March 26, 2018

    Definitely an over-reaction. Should have just called for a ritual disembowelling Japanese style.

    Or to be stripped of her knighthood. That seems to be a popular call these days.

  2. David

     /  March 26, 2018

    I think the Greens called for the National womens minister resignation a few times.
    It does show pretty poor judgement to address school kids with a message like that, girls in NZ are out performing boys on nearly every level, the world is their oyster and they can literally achieve anything they want. Would Genter like these kids to go home and kick Grandad in the shins for ruining their future.

    • duperez

       /  March 26, 2018

      Addressing school kids with a message like that? You mean like a formal speech addressing them all? Or as in a couple of seconds in chatting with one or a two kids? I’ve seen it described as ‘brainwashing vulnerable children.”

      • PartisanZ

         /  March 26, 2018

        Oh the brainwashing’s terrible … guest speakers should never be allowed … ever …

  3. Traveller

     /  March 26, 2018

    Maybe an overreaction but she certainly went on about it on Social Media for days. So not just a one-off misspeak then.

    If she imagines that there is a cache of young women with more to offer a board of any company charged with turning a profit than a man who’d been at the commercial coal face for decades then she’s very much worse than badly informed – she’s actually deluded.

    • Blazer

       /  March 26, 2018

      You don’t seem to understand how boards work.Slater shed some light on it.He said that Michelle Boag arrived to see his father with a list of names for board appointments.He also said Bill English put a line through his fathers name.The ‘Old Boy Network’…has yet to include…’girls’.You could pop onto a board and there would be no discernable difference in …profits.Easy work ,a sinecure of over paid ,under performers with a few exceptions.

      • “Slater shed some light on it.”

        You don’t seem to understand how Slater works, especially when he holds a grudge. How do you know it wasn’t one of his embellishment moments?

        • Traveller

           /  March 26, 2018

          Slater’s Dad had had his day and National is not a company

        • Blazer

           /  March 26, 2018

          I am 100% certain his father was…president of the National Party.

      • David

         /  March 26, 2018

        Blazer quotes Slater, wow.

      • Traveller

         /  March 26, 2018

        I do understand blazer that’s the thing

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  March 26, 2018

          It was an incredibly stupid remark, a very sexist one and totally inappropriate for a school audience.It was also very immature,

  4. Can we ask Trump to take her back and send his daughter who looks better and appears to be far more cleverer than the green thing ?

    • Blazer

       /  March 26, 2018

      you are very shallow George,commenting on a persons looks is frowned upon….sometimes.

  5. alloytoo

     /  March 26, 2018

    Indoctrination of children, a well worn leftist path, deserves some resistance.

  6. David

     /  March 26, 2018

    I am hoping that the awful comments were to appeal to the loop the loop green people who are voting on the co leadership.
    I also thought gender was just a social construct anyway so isnt having a minister of women transphobic, bet she hasnt asked if any of those board directors identify as women directors.

  7. Corky

     /  March 26, 2018

    ”That’s a pathetic and ridiculous over-reaction.” Yes, it is. But it highlights the SJW thing.
    Next time Genter needs to say something that may go against the right, she will have second thoughts. She will be in two minds. It’s very similar to training a puppy.

    • PartisanZ

       /  March 26, 2018

      A puppy-like conclusion if ever I heard one …

      Of course, she’s lived in a complete vacuum until just last week … She’s never once encountered disapproval and censure ever before in her journey to becoming an MP …

      Yeah … Right!

      • Corky

         /  March 26, 2018

        Not like this she ain’t. All grist for the mill, Parti.

  8. PartisanZ

     /  March 26, 2018

    Normally I’d be inclined to think that both Genter’s ‘speech to children’ and Jonesy’s outburst at the baggage claim area are diversions … What else is going on? What ‘big ticket items’ are being prosecuted (or sold-off at bargain prices) behind the scenes … ?

    I just don’t think even the most sophisticated political spin-merchants could think up stuff so blatantly stupid, politically naive and philosophically inappropriate … Saying really dumb stuff is no way to start intelligent conversations.

    Then again, doing really dumb things is no way to keep intelligent conversations going, if they can be gleaned from the saying of dumb stuff … [Gender Equity & Business Morality vs Social Ethics issues] …

    Natnanna17 is presumably an abbreviation of National [Party] Nanna #17 …

    They’ve obviously got their old ducks all lined up in a row …

    It’ll be interesting to see how many actually sign …

    • I think that Jones’ attack on Air NZ was a very deliberate NZ First tactic.

      But Genter just said what she thought in her speech and I doubt she had any idea it would trigger the reaction it did.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  March 26, 2018

        If she’s that stupid and naive, she shouldn’t be in that position. She must have known. If she didn’t, she must be an idiot and lacking in perception.

        • duperez

           /  March 26, 2018

          Genter is an idiot if she doesn’t realise that anything she says is likely to be given idiotic importance by some idiot. The only safe thing is to say nothing.

          • PDB

             /  March 26, 2018

            duperez: “Genter is an idiot”

            Forget the rest of your post.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  March 26, 2018

            I know, but it’s such a sexist, ageist and racist thing to say that it’s hard not to !

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  March 26, 2018

            The PDTs seem to agree with her.

  9. Zedd

     /  March 26, 2018

    Whats really wrong with Ms Genter’s comments ?
    Im a middle-aged white man & agree with her.

    Maybe she was also commenting on the recently departed leadership/MPs of the Natl party.. an ‘old boys club’ if ever there was one 😀

    • PDB

       /  March 26, 2018

      The Greens got rid of their ‘old white men’ and instead now have…none – hardly representative of the electorate is it? Maybe she could also look into her own party and sort out the over-representation of women, especially younger ones? Just as well it was an old, Maori man who was the one that gave Labour the chance to govern rather than a ‘white’ one.

      • I pointed out the lack of diversity in the Green caucus but she had a response.

        • alloytoo

           /  March 26, 2018

          Talk about special pleading…..It’s ok when the Greens do it.

        • Zedd

           /  March 26, 2018

          I too, was a bit ‘concerned’ about their recent ‘imbalance’ BUT their list is voted by all members, so they have spoken.. EOS

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  March 26, 2018

            And that’s how corporate boards are chosen – by votes of all shareholders. EOS

    • Callum

       /  March 26, 2018

      You mean the old boys club that had more female representation in both cabinet and the front bench than the current government? Seems Labour was talking the talk, but can’t walk the walk.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  March 26, 2018

      You have obviously never run a company, Zedd.

      • Zedd

         /  March 26, 2018

        @AW

        TRUE.. but I did once run a ‘customer service division’ in a Govt. Dept. with about 25 staff to manage.. for about 10 years… eos

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  March 26, 2018

          That’s a different world, Zedd. I also had a spell as a middle manager in a bureaucracy. Very unsatisfying meat in sandwich situation. Nothing like running a commercial business.

    • Gezza

       /  March 26, 2018

      You could maybe best show your support by resigning from any company boards you’re on, Zedd?

      How many company boards are you on & what will your total packages be?

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  March 26, 2018

        My mother was a director on boards decades ago.

        These comments were sexist and ageist.

        • Corky

           /  March 26, 2018

          Did they stand for your mother before a meeting commenced?

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  March 26, 2018

            Don’t be ridiculous. Of course not. Why would they ? What a stupid question,

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  March 26, 2018

            Don’t be ridiculous.

          • Corky

             /  March 26, 2018

            They stand for my Aunty who is on the board of a meat company even though she has asked them not to( present time).

            Decades ago ( your mothers time), it would have been a given men would have stood.

            You aren’t bullshiting are you, Kitty? I don’t ask stupid questions. My questions are always aims at sniffing bs out.

  10. David

     /  March 26, 2018

    “Targeting people on the basis of their age, gender and race is not a good look for someone whose Ministry is supposed to promote equality.”

    It was quite revealing as to exactly how she views the world. Live by identity politics, die by identity politics.

  11. David

     /  March 26, 2018

    “But no one was discriminating. We were just stating a mathematical reality that to improve diversity, some people in the over represented group will have to move on. It’s a statement of fact, and a bit of a gentle suggestion about making room for others.”

    She very clearly is discriminating. She simply favours discriminating in a way that results in boards being mathematical sample of the general population, as opposed to based on the existing criteria used to discriminate.

    I also like how she phrases it, “the over represented group will have to move on.” Will have to. Again, telling in how she views the world.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  March 26, 2018

      She progresses from being stupid to being an arsehole. If she wants to play statistics then she better demand stupid people be better represented on boards. Oh wait, that’s what she is demanding.

      • PartisanZ

         /  March 26, 2018

        So, lemme get this straight Alan, if you’re not an ‘Old White Man’ you’re stupid … Right?

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  March 26, 2018

          Nope. If you demand statistical representation you will get mostly stupid people. Boards are not there to represent people. They are there to ask hard questions and find best solutions. You want the smartest, most knowledgeable people you can get who also have a commitment to make things work. Genter is an idiot.

          • sorethumb

             /  March 26, 2018

            Take the Enviro Canterbury Elections. You have Vietnamese and others who are freshwater ecologists and you have a Maori woman. Who do you choose.?
            I chose fresh water ecologists,

            • sorethumb

               /  March 26, 2018

              I don’t consider being Maori a qualification for anything in particular (apart from within their own tribal structure).

    • alloytoo

       /  March 26, 2018

      Move on to where?

      Where ever creative productive people move onto they will get followed by unproductive leeches.

      Where are the safe spaces for “old white men?”

      • PartisanZ

         /  March 26, 2018

        Presently their ‘safe spaces’ are on the boards of giant ‘public’ (publicly listed) corporations …

      • phantom snowflake

         /  March 26, 2018

        Kiwiblog and Your NZ…

        • sorethumb

           /  March 26, 2018

          Cut funding for humanities.

          • phantom snowflake

             /  March 26, 2018

            Funny guy. It was obvious that eventually, in a thread about ‘old white men’ that you and Jordan would show up. Dinosaurs, both.

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  March 26, 2018

        On the Boards of the companies they founded and developed. Just like the much fewer non-old-white-men who did the same.

  12. phantom snowflake

     /  March 26, 2018

    Targeting people on the basis of their age, gender and race is not a good look for someone whose Ministry is supposed to promote equality.”
    Oh dear. You really can’t see that having less of the entrenched, dominant ‘old white men’ class on boards would promote equality??

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  March 26, 2018

      Of course it would promote superficial equality. But it would also promote failure. What do you want, equality or success?

      And in what real sense does an old girls club of elites promote equality anyway? We’ve already got one.

      • phantom snowflake

         /  March 26, 2018

        One wonders why you assume “smartest, most knowledgeable people” will be predominantly ‘Old White Men’. Perhaps just a wee bit of bias hehe.

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  March 26, 2018

          Why do you assume that history and experience is wrong and can simply be overturned by ideology?

          Commercial companies are in a competitive fight for survival. If representative boards were better they would already predominate.

          • phantom snowflake

             /  March 26, 2018

            You’re arguing in favour of tradition again; the way things have always been done must be right because that’s the way things have always been done.Maybe we don’t have to, as you claim, choose between “equality or success”. On the other hand, perhaps Capitalism (including Boards Of Directors) is a dead loss, and should be left to decay in the hands of old white men while some of us others try something different.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  March 26, 2018

              Ludicrous drivel. All attempts to try something different to capitalism have been hideous, sickening and inhuman failures. As noted below companies compete for survival and in doing so evolve systems that work best. Mess them up and failures will result.

            • Gezza

               /  March 26, 2018

              What are you trying Snowy & how is it doing?

            • phantom snowflake

               /  March 26, 2018

              Hi Gezza. Am not comfortable giving you a full answer as it would violate the separation of my online and offline selves which I prefer to maintain. But in short a collectivist anarchic bubble which is free from hierarchies and in which people give freely of their time, emotional and financial support etc. in response to whatever needs occur. It’s going great although admittedly with a rather small bubble.

            • PDB

               /  March 26, 2018

              You belong to Destiny church? Thought it a bit bigger than a ‘small bubble’.

            • phantom snowflake

               /  March 26, 2018

              Haha that’s quite funny, thanks PDB. But don’t get me started on the “Prosperity Gospel” which they promote. Now that’s something I could write something more than “lightweight” about.

        • PDB

           /  March 26, 2018

          The reason for her in wanting to move these people on isn’t because they are unsuitable/unqualified for the roles (she’d be better off approaching that topic) but the fact they are old, white men.

      • phantom snowflake

         /  March 26, 2018

        A bit of a tangent, I know. (but that’s how we roll) You claim that you’re not “Conservative”; yet here you are again arguing for the Status Quo…

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  March 26, 2018

          I’m arguing for individual freedom, against impositions from nanny state and political ideologues. That is liberal not conservative.

          • phantom snowflake

             /  March 26, 2018

            I’m sure that we would all claim to argue for “Freedom”, a bit of a red herring, that. Nevertheless, the Capitalist Status Quo that you (as much of a “political ideologue” as anyone) promote and defend hasn’t exactly provided “freedom” for its casualties, who are rarely “old white men”; unless you count the freedom to be poor, sick, and generally precarious.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  March 26, 2018

              Don’t be silly. Capitalism has funded the biggest socialist safety net in the planet’s history.

            • alloytoo

               /  March 26, 2018

              Poor?

              Less people in abject poverty than yesterday, or the day before…

              Sick?

              Average lifespan has almost doubled in the last century?

              Generally precarious?

              I’ll grant you that, especially if you live in Venezuela, of Zimbabwe, or in the last century the Soviet Block.

            • phantom snowflake

               /  March 26, 2018

              Really sad that you ‘guys’ seem to have no awareness of or care for those at the bottom of the heap.”I’m Alright Jack-ism” to the max.

            • PDB

               /  March 26, 2018

              Plenty of taxpayer help for people that find themselves in unfortunate circumstances in this country Snowflake.

            • Gezza

               /  March 26, 2018

              “Plenty” is an overestimate. It’s far from plenty & depends sometimes on whim it seems.

          • PartisanZ

             /  March 26, 2018

            @Alan – “I’m arguing for individual freedom, against impositions from nanny state and political ideologues.”

            And you can’t see that a Board of say five Old White Men needing a new member aren’t going to exercise “individual freedom” but will vote as a bloc to appoint someone like themselves … in other words an imposition from Old White Men … and, most likely, someone they already know …

            They exercise a political ideology and do so to preserve the status quo …

            A system like this is inherently ‘conservative’ and in dire need of a nanny state with alternative political ideologues to provide balance …

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  March 26, 2018

              The Board doesn’t elect itself, the shareholders do.

            • PartisanZ

               /  March 26, 2018

              Substitute “nominate” for “appoint” in that case …

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  March 26, 2018

              In many cases the major shareholders will be nominating and electing their preferred directors. Where that is the Government is where appointment on merit ends and political cronyism starts. No doubt the likes of Genter will be employing same with gusto during their term of office. This rhetoric is the start of that game.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  March 26, 2018

              I wish that people would realise that ‘less’ refers to amounts (less cheese) When it’s numbers, it’s fewer (fewer cheeses)

  13. Having a board that provides valuable mentorship, objective analysis, drives business forward, develops strategy, seeks opportunities and manages risks is what a business needs. They certainly doesn’t need tokenism for its own sake.

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  March 26, 2018

      I agree. What would be the point of appointing me to a board ? I would have no idea what I was doing. Tokenism is insulting, anyway,

  14. Gerrit

     /  March 26, 2018

    First question asked of any young brown female ( the required Greens demographic) on a board will be “are you here on merit or as a token to diversity?”

    Have seen a board at the coalface where a women (owners wife) was appointed to add “balance”.

    She was simply frozen out of the decision making process through lack of business nous. her contribution was basically zero whilst the remuneration was high.

    All a board has to do is appoint the wives of male members to the board to get the PC balance required. They don’t even need to attend a board meeting.

    • phantom snowflake

       /  March 26, 2018

      Wow. There are so many talented people who are “young brown females”. Where have you been? I have to wonder why the board you mentioned chose a woman who was unsuitable when there were so many other choices they could have made.

      • PartisanZ

         /  March 26, 2018

        … because Boards dominated by ‘Old White Men’ don’t choose people who are not of the Old Boys Club or Lodge … or at least subservient to it … even females …

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  March 26, 2018

          As above, the Board does not elect itself.

          • phantom snowflake

             /  March 26, 2018

            Apparently it does according to Gerrit: “All a board has to do is appoint…”

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  March 26, 2018

              With small companies the Board will often comprise the major shareholders. In that case there is the same set of people voting although their votes will be weighted by the ratio of their shares.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  March 26, 2018

            Alan, don’t waste your time. PZ doesn;t want to know,

  15. Strong For Life

     /  March 26, 2018

    I don’t believe there has been an overreaction at all. Ms Genter’s misandrous remarks are racist, ageist and sexist. If a white male, particular a National politician or Donald Trump, had come out with similar thoughts there would been an uproar. Ms Genter would have been leading the chorus of the outraged. Teaching and nursing, to use two examples, are dominated with female staff. If you use Genter’s logic many of these women should be asked to step aside so that men can take their jobs.

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  March 26, 2018

      “Older women, especially brown women, should move aside fron teaching to let men in.’

      They’d never hear the end of it.

  16. Genter seems to be still not backing down.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  March 26, 2018

      The goal for companies is survival and success, not diversity.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  March 26, 2018

      And men should stop founding and building companies so big mouth women like Genter can catch up.

  17. Another silly reaction: Man lodges complaint to Human Rights Commission over Julie Anne Genter’s ‘old white men’ comments

    John Stringer, former Conservative Party board member and currently on the Papanui-Innes Community Board, says he is “tired of the continual denigration and stereotyping of European males of older ages in politics and the media”.

    Mr Stringer says he has written to Ms Genter seeking a public retraction of her comments, and has also laid a complaint with the Human Rights Commission.

    http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/03/man-lodges-complaint-to-human-rights-commission-over-julie-anne-genter-s-old-white-men-comments.html

    • High Flying Duck

       /  March 26, 2018

      Stringer? Silly reaction? Colour me shocked.

    • Trevors_elbow

       /  March 26, 2018

      Why is it silly Pete? Give your reasons please

      • Strong For Life

         /  March 26, 2018

        It is not silly. Ms Genter needs to become more familiar with the Green Party’s Human Rights policy which states: “We stand opposed to any discrimination on the grounds of ethnicity, gender, political belief, sexuality, marital status, age, disability or socio-economic background.”

  18. PDB

     /  March 26, 2018

    • PDB

       /  March 26, 2018

  19. PDB

     /  March 26, 2018

    Keep digging that hole…

    • PDB

       /  March 26, 2018

      The above tweet from Genter seems to confirm that she wants to move these old, white guys on because she perceives them as examples of colonisation, institutional racism & sexism – no mention at all as to whether they are suitably qualified or experienced to do the work.

      Apparently if we replaced them with young Maori women with no qualifications or experience all would be good in the world.

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  March 26, 2018

        A populist idiot with a matching constituency.

    • Corky

       /  March 26, 2018

      Well. apparently I’m wrong. Genter isn’t backing down. That’s fine, we now move on to plan B which you have outlined… ” the keep digging that hole plan.” Same result, different route.The nutty biased SJW scenic drive route.

      Someone needs to tell this fruit cake the reason there are more Maori men incarcerated is because Maori men commit more crime percentage wise.. That may shock Genter, but I’m informed by reliable sources it’s true.

  20. phantom snowflake

     /  March 26, 2018

    Another angle which I haven’t seen mentioned: Is there a connection between Julie Anne Genter’s remarks (and tweets) and her current campaigning for the Green Party Co-Leader’s position?

    • She certainly seems to be playing to the Green base, which will likely be her priority at the moment.

    • PDB

       /  March 26, 2018

      Maybe – all that seems left of the Green supporter base are the fringe lunatics so her message may hit her target audience.

      • phantom snowflake

         /  March 26, 2018

        Surely you jest. Middle Class urban cafe-dwellers are hardly lunatic fringe!

        • PDB

           /  March 26, 2018

          Voting for the Mana party in green drag is hardly a sign of good mental health…

          • phantom snowflake

             /  March 26, 2018

            Well there are a couple of people making activist noises due to the leadership contest but otherwise the Greens are just as afflicted with the same drift to the centre that has occurred with all the other parties in parliament. James Shaw! Do you get more beige and centrist than that??

            • PDB

               /  March 26, 2018

              I grant you that Shaw is an odd fit. The Greens are a bit of a mess nowadays in terms of supporter base – the younger latte set you mention and the more extremist “Mana in green drag’ that infiltrated the party some years ago when Labour wasn’t seen as socialist enough.

              In an effort to be inclusive as possible they appear to be totally pleasing no one and in the process have lost much of their environmental roots. They almost appear to be totally lost in govt as the economic reality of running a country & having to compromise bites. I personally have quite of few ex-Green supporter friends who don’t support the party anymore due to this focus away from environmental concerns.

  21. David

     /  March 26, 2018

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/102594106/older-white-men-have-a-lot-to-contribute-theyre-not-the-only-ones

    What the hell. Stuff have given her an op ed to explain herself !! and last week they gave Ardern an op ed to waffle on about oil after her stuff up. Is this just a double standard and giving the women a chance to explain/spin to us rather than have some accountability.
    I dont remember media extending this courtesy to other MPs and I really hope it isnt a gender/pregnancy/lefty bias thing unavailable to old white men.

    • PDB

       /  March 26, 2018

      Genter: “Last week I was also fortunate to hear the former US President Barack Obama speak in Auckland. In his Q&A he was asked about successful leadership. He said it was vitally important to have women around the table.”

      Does Len Brown having them on the table count?

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  March 26, 2018

        Good to see you getting back to your roots, PDB.

        • PDB

           /  March 26, 2018

          I hope for the sake of Mrs Brown that Len doesn’t get back to his!

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  March 26, 2018

      I guess they figured if she wrote it they wouldn’t have to.

  22. bjoneskiwi

     /  March 26, 2018

    And here she is breaking two cardinal rules of politics – explaining is loosing and when your in a hole stop digging…

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/102594106/older-white-men-have-a-lot-to-contribute-theyre-not-the-only-ones

    Something that was starting to die down is now back at the top of the news cycle…

    Clap…… Clap…… Clap…… stupid green looser.

    • PDB

       /  March 26, 2018

      Comments on that article will be interesting….

      • PDB

         /  March 26, 2018

        Comment by nzalways;

        “In the spirit of diversity should she not withdraw in favour of Davidson for co leader”

      • PDB

         /  March 26, 2018

        Great common sense comment by CamH;

        “There’s a good chance that the majority of best qualified candidates ARE in fact white, old males. Why? Because they have, largely, had better opportunities and a stronger presence in the type of work that leads to these roles. That’s a generational thing, and it’s fantastic that the right steps are being taken to ensure other people have equal opportunity to learn and grow. However, it’s ignorant to expect that other groups of people can be represented equally as of right now. It takes time for those candidates to come through and be represented fairly.

        I suggest, spending more time focusing on building the right attitudes from the ground up, instead of making comments before thinking, that just don’t make sense. Julie is trying to put the cart before the horse and it smacks of silliness.”

  23. sorethumb

     /  March 26, 2018

    I think Diversity is over hyped (except viewpoint diversity where liberals exclude conservatives in the Academy)

    • PartisanZ

       /  March 26, 2018

      “Good fences create good neighbours” …

      Excellent. You won’t have any objection to a Tuhoe State then?

      Or predominantly and distinctly Maori areas – which we already have – and a national Maori Legislative Assembly to govern them?

      And appointed Maori representation on City & District Councils to represent the ‘fenced off’ Maori?

      The only thing that creates even better neighbours than good fences is, presumably, A GREAT ABUNDANCE OF MANY REALLY BIG GUNS …?

  24. sorethumb

     /  March 26, 2018

  25. sorethumb

     /  March 26, 2018

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