Green MP and Minister for Women Julie Anne Genter said something a bit silly last week about old white men, and she wasn’t helped by a misleading headline.
Stuff (Thursday 22 March): Minister for Women says old white men should ‘move on’ from company boards
Women’s Minister Julie Anne Genter says old white men need to “move on” from company boards to help close the gender pay gap.
Speaking to students at Christchurch’s Cobham Intermediate School on Thursday, Genter said the private sector needed to address the low level of female representation on New Zealand company boards if more businesses were to be led by women.
About 85 per cent of board members were male, and many were “old white men in their 60s”.
“Some of them need to move on and allow for diversity and new talent,” she said, later clarifying she had “no problem with old white men” on company boards generally.
Targeting people on the basis of their age, gender and race is not a good look for someone whose Ministry is supposed to promote equality.
If someone said that female immigrants in their thirties weren’t experienced enough to be a Minister and should stand down there would probably have been an uproar.
It doesn’t give a lot of credence to campaigning on equality when you single out very specific groups.
As it turns out, Genter’s comments did stir things up in social media, and it is still in the news this morning (on Newshub). Duncan Garner has just said that she is a Minister and not a protester, so should start acting like one. It will be interesting to see if there’s a reaction to that.
She would have been better to promote and encourage diversity on boards positively rather than dumping on some directors and one narrow demographic.
Genter is free to say what she likes, but has to bear the consequences if others take her to task. She has been both defiant and defensive of her comments, but I suspect she will have learnt a lesson from this. She should have.
But some of the criticism is going too far:
That’s ironic, given that petitions have been a tactic often used by the Green Party and associated groups when in Opposition.
This pitiful & severely uneducated attack is not to be tolerated in New Zealand, Aotearoa: a country founded on a partnership between many peoples. We are better than that. We all know we are.
Julie Anne Genter no longer deserves to represent NZ or to even be a NZer.
She does not represent us. Our children do not need to read or hear such things. Times up. You are the minority.
In signing this petition we urge you, our Prime Minister the Rt. Hon. Jacinda Ardern to remove her from Parliament and deport her from NZ.. It is in your power. Set a precedent for the country and a message that this will not be tolerated and hate speech of this type is not welcome here.
That’s a pathetic and ridiculous over-reaction.
If all MPs who said something silly were forced to resign, or were sacked, there would be on one running the country.
Online petitions are a modern form of free speech but they are open to abuse, as is the case here.
Alan Wilkinson
/ 26th March 2018Definitely an over-reaction. Should have just called for a ritual disembowelling Japanese style.
Or to be stripped of her knighthood. That seems to be a popular call these days.
David
/ 26th March 2018I think the Greens called for the National womens minister resignation a few times.
It does show pretty poor judgement to address school kids with a message like that, girls in NZ are out performing boys on nearly every level, the world is their oyster and they can literally achieve anything they want. Would Genter like these kids to go home and kick Grandad in the shins for ruining their future.
duperez
/ 26th March 2018Addressing school kids with a message like that? You mean like a formal speech addressing them all? Or as in a couple of seconds in chatting with one or a two kids? I’ve seen it described as ‘brainwashing vulnerable children.”
PartisanZ
/ 26th March 2018Oh the brainwashing’s terrible … guest speakers should never be allowed … ever …
Traveller
/ 26th March 2018Maybe an overreaction but she certainly went on about it on Social Media for days. So not just a one-off misspeak then.
If she imagines that there is a cache of young women with more to offer a board of any company charged with turning a profit than a man who’d been at the commercial coal face for decades then she’s very much worse than badly informed – she’s actually deluded.
Blazer
/ 26th March 2018You don’t seem to understand how boards work.Slater shed some light on it.He said that Michelle Boag arrived to see his father with a list of names for board appointments.He also said Bill English put a line through his fathers name.The ‘Old Boy Network’…has yet to include…’girls’.You could pop onto a board and there would be no discernable difference in …profits.Easy work ,a sinecure of over paid ,under performers with a few exceptions.
Pete George
/ 26th March 2018“Slater shed some light on it.”
You don’t seem to understand how Slater works, especially when he holds a grudge. How do you know it wasn’t one of his embellishment moments?
Traveller
/ 26th March 2018Slater’s Dad had had his day and National is not a company
Blazer
/ 26th March 2018I am 100% certain his father was…president of the National Party.
David
/ 26th March 2018Blazer quotes Slater, wow.
Traveller
/ 26th March 2018I do understand blazer that’s the thing
Kitty Catkin
/ 26th March 2018It was an incredibly stupid remark, a very sexist one and totally inappropriate for a school audience.It was also very immature,
George Black
/ 26th March 2018Can we ask Trump to take her back and send his daughter who looks better and appears to be far more cleverer than the green thing ?
Blazer
/ 26th March 2018you are very shallow George,commenting on a persons looks is frowned upon….sometimes.
Kitty Catkin
/ 26th March 2018Not if it’s a man.
Kitty Catkin
/ 26th March 2018If it’s said about a man, PDTs. sigh….
alloytoo
/ 26th March 2018Indoctrination of children, a well worn leftist path, deserves some resistance.
PartisanZ
/ 26th March 2018The ubiquitous and insipid Secular-Christian, Capitalist, Conservative, Lobster-Darwinian-Brain indoctrination of children, embedded abyss-like in the education system itself, deserves some Leftist resistance …
alloytoo
/ 26th March 2018You do realise that your word salad is contradictory?
traveller
/ 26th March 2018I think you’ll find that there as many atheists in the Classic Liberal/Cnservative crew as there are Christians in the Progressive left snowflake division
sorethumb
/ 26th March 2018phantom snowflake
/ 26th March 2018Oh you’re such a badass; soooo provocative!
sorethumb
/ 26th March 2018JAG is a dinasour
https://areomagazine.com/2018/03/03/this-is-why-we-need-to-talk-about-diversity/
David
/ 26th March 2018I am hoping that the awful comments were to appeal to the loop the loop green people who are voting on the co leadership.
I also thought gender was just a social construct anyway so isnt having a minister of women transphobic, bet she hasnt asked if any of those board directors identify as women directors.
Corky
/ 26th March 2018”That’s a pathetic and ridiculous over-reaction.” Yes, it is. But it highlights the SJW thing.
Next time Genter needs to say something that may go against the right, she will have second thoughts. She will be in two minds. It’s very similar to training a puppy.
PartisanZ
/ 26th March 2018A puppy-like conclusion if ever I heard one …
Of course, she’s lived in a complete vacuum until just last week … She’s never once encountered disapproval and censure ever before in her journey to becoming an MP …
Yeah … Right!
Corky
/ 26th March 2018Not like this she ain’t. All grist for the mill, Parti.
PartisanZ
/ 26th March 2018Normally I’d be inclined to think that both Genter’s ‘speech to children’ and Jonesy’s outburst at the baggage claim area are diversions … What else is going on? What ‘big ticket items’ are being prosecuted (or sold-off at bargain prices) behind the scenes … ?
I just don’t think even the most sophisticated political spin-merchants could think up stuff so blatantly stupid, politically naive and philosophically inappropriate … Saying really dumb stuff is no way to start intelligent conversations.
Then again, doing really dumb things is no way to keep intelligent conversations going, if they can be gleaned from the saying of dumb stuff … [Gender Equity & Business Morality vs Social Ethics issues] …
Natnanna17 is presumably an abbreviation of National [Party] Nanna #17 …
They’ve obviously got their old ducks all lined up in a row …
It’ll be interesting to see how many actually sign …
Pete George
/ 26th March 2018I think that Jones’ attack on Air NZ was a very deliberate NZ First tactic.
But Genter just said what she thought in her speech and I doubt she had any idea it would trigger the reaction it did.
Kitty Catkin
/ 26th March 2018If she’s that stupid and naive, she shouldn’t be in that position. She must have known. If she didn’t, she must be an idiot and lacking in perception.
duperez
/ 26th March 2018Genter is an idiot if she doesn’t realise that anything she says is likely to be given idiotic importance by some idiot. The only safe thing is to say nothing.
PDB
/ 26th March 2018duperez: “Genter is an idiot”
Forget the rest of your post.
Kitty Catkin
/ 26th March 2018I know, but it’s such a sexist, ageist and racist thing to say that it’s hard not to !
Kitty Catkin
/ 26th March 2018The PDTs seem to agree with her.
Zedd
/ 26th March 2018Whats really wrong with Ms Genter’s comments ?
Im a middle-aged white man & agree with her.
Maybe she was also commenting on the recently departed leadership/MPs of the Natl party.. an ‘old boys club’ if ever there was one 😀
PDB
/ 26th March 2018The Greens got rid of their ‘old white men’ and instead now have…none – hardly representative of the electorate is it? Maybe she could also look into her own party and sort out the over-representation of women, especially younger ones? Just as well it was an old, Maori man who was the one that gave Labour the chance to govern rather than a ‘white’ one.
Pete George
/ 26th March 2018I pointed out the lack of diversity in the Green caucus but she had a response.
alloytoo
/ 26th March 2018Talk about special pleading…..It’s ok when the Greens do it.
Zedd
/ 26th March 2018I too, was a bit ‘concerned’ about their recent ‘imbalance’ BUT their list is voted by all members, so they have spoken.. EOS
Alan Wilkinson
/ 26th March 2018And that’s how corporate boards are chosen – by votes of all shareholders. EOS
Callum
/ 26th March 2018You mean the old boys club that had more female representation in both cabinet and the front bench than the current government? Seems Labour was talking the talk, but can’t walk the walk.
Alan Wilkinson
/ 26th March 2018You have obviously never run a company, Zedd.
Zedd
/ 26th March 2018@AW
TRUE.. but I did once run a ‘customer service division’ in a Govt. Dept. with about 25 staff to manage.. for about 10 years… eos
Alan Wilkinson
/ 26th March 2018That’s a different world, Zedd. I also had a spell as a middle manager in a bureaucracy. Very unsatisfying meat in sandwich situation. Nothing like running a commercial business.
Gezza
/ 26th March 2018You could maybe best show your support by resigning from any company boards you’re on, Zedd?
How many company boards are you on & what will your total packages be?
Kitty Catkin
/ 26th March 2018My mother was a director on boards decades ago.
These comments were sexist and ageist.
Corky
/ 26th March 2018Did they stand for your mother before a meeting commenced?
Kitty Catkin
/ 26th March 2018Don’t be ridiculous. Of course not. Why would they ? What a stupid question,
Kitty Catkin
/ 26th March 2018Don’t be ridiculous.
Corky
/ 26th March 2018They stand for my Aunty who is on the board of a meat company even though she has asked them not to( present time).
Decades ago ( your mothers time), it would have been a given men would have stood.
You aren’t bullshiting are you, Kitty? I don’t ask stupid questions. My questions are always aims at sniffing bs out.
David
/ 26th March 2018“Targeting people on the basis of their age, gender and race is not a good look for someone whose Ministry is supposed to promote equality.”
It was quite revealing as to exactly how she views the world. Live by identity politics, die by identity politics.
David
/ 26th March 2018“But no one was discriminating. We were just stating a mathematical reality that to improve diversity, some people in the over represented group will have to move on. It’s a statement of fact, and a bit of a gentle suggestion about making room for others.”
She very clearly is discriminating. She simply favours discriminating in a way that results in boards being mathematical sample of the general population, as opposed to based on the existing criteria used to discriminate.
I also like how she phrases it, “the over represented group will have to move on.” Will have to. Again, telling in how she views the world.
Alan Wilkinson
/ 26th March 2018She progresses from being stupid to being an arsehole. If she wants to play statistics then she better demand stupid people be better represented on boards. Oh wait, that’s what she is demanding.
PartisanZ
/ 26th March 2018So, lemme get this straight Alan, if you’re not an ‘Old White Man’ you’re stupid … Right?
Alan Wilkinson
/ 26th March 2018Nope. If you demand statistical representation you will get mostly stupid people. Boards are not there to represent people. They are there to ask hard questions and find best solutions. You want the smartest, most knowledgeable people you can get who also have a commitment to make things work. Genter is an idiot.
sorethumb
/ 26th March 2018Take the Enviro Canterbury Elections. You have Vietnamese and others who are freshwater ecologists and you have a Maori woman. Who do you choose.?
I chose fresh water ecologists,
sorethumb
/ 26th March 2018I don’t consider being Maori a qualification for anything in particular (apart from within their own tribal structure).
alloytoo
/ 26th March 2018Move on to where?
Where ever creative productive people move onto they will get followed by unproductive leeches.
Where are the safe spaces for “old white men?”
PartisanZ
/ 26th March 2018Presently their ‘safe spaces’ are on the boards of giant ‘public’ (publicly listed) corporations …
alloytoo
/ 26th March 2018Well apparently not anymore……
phantom snowflake
/ 26th March 2018Kiwiblog and Your NZ…
sorethumb
/ 26th March 2018Cut funding for humanities.
phantom snowflake
/ 26th March 2018Funny guy. It was obvious that eventually, in a thread about ‘old white men’ that you and Jordan would show up. Dinosaurs, both.
Alan Wilkinson
/ 26th March 2018On the Boards of the companies they founded and developed. Just like the much fewer non-old-white-men who did the same.
phantom snowflake
/ 26th March 2018“Targeting people on the basis of their age, gender and race is not a good look for someone whose Ministry is supposed to promote equality.”
Oh dear. You really can’t see that having less of the entrenched, dominant ‘old white men’ class on boards would promote equality??
Alan Wilkinson
/ 26th March 2018Of course it would promote superficial equality. But it would also promote failure. What do you want, equality or success?
And in what real sense does an old girls club of elites promote equality anyway? We’ve already got one.
phantom snowflake
/ 26th March 2018One wonders why you assume “smartest, most knowledgeable people” will be predominantly ‘Old White Men’. Perhaps just a wee bit of bias hehe.
Alan Wilkinson
/ 26th March 2018Why do you assume that history and experience is wrong and can simply be overturned by ideology?
Commercial companies are in a competitive fight for survival. If representative boards were better they would already predominate.
phantom snowflake
/ 26th March 2018You’re arguing in favour of tradition again; the way things have always been done must be right because that’s the way things have always been done.Maybe we don’t have to, as you claim, choose between “equality or success”. On the other hand, perhaps Capitalism (including Boards Of Directors) is a dead loss, and should be left to decay in the hands of old white men while some of us others try something different.
Alan Wilkinson
/ 26th March 2018Ludicrous drivel. All attempts to try something different to capitalism have been hideous, sickening and inhuman failures. As noted below companies compete for survival and in doing so evolve systems that work best. Mess them up and failures will result.
Gezza
/ 26th March 2018What are you trying Snowy & how is it doing?
phantom snowflake
/ 26th March 2018Hi Gezza. Am not comfortable giving you a full answer as it would violate the separation of my online and offline selves which I prefer to maintain. But in short a collectivist anarchic bubble which is free from hierarchies and in which people give freely of their time, emotional and financial support etc. in response to whatever needs occur. It’s going great although admittedly with a rather small bubble.
PDB
/ 26th March 2018You belong to Destiny church? Thought it a bit bigger than a ‘small bubble’.
phantom snowflake
/ 26th March 2018Haha that’s quite funny, thanks PDB. But don’t get me started on the “Prosperity Gospel” which they promote. Now that’s something I could write something more than “lightweight” about.
PDB
/ 26th March 2018The reason for her in wanting to move these people on isn’t because they are unsuitable/unqualified for the roles (she’d be better off approaching that topic) but the fact they are old, white men.
phantom snowflake
/ 26th March 2018A bit of a tangent, I know. (but that’s how we roll) You claim that you’re not “Conservative”; yet here you are again arguing for the Status Quo…
Alan Wilkinson
/ 26th March 2018I’m arguing for individual freedom, against impositions from nanny state and political ideologues. That is liberal not conservative.
phantom snowflake
/ 26th March 2018I’m sure that we would all claim to argue for “Freedom”, a bit of a red herring, that. Nevertheless, the Capitalist Status Quo that you (as much of a “political ideologue” as anyone) promote and defend hasn’t exactly provided “freedom” for its casualties, who are rarely “old white men”; unless you count the freedom to be poor, sick, and generally precarious.
Alan Wilkinson
/ 26th March 2018Don’t be silly. Capitalism has funded the biggest socialist safety net in the planet’s history.
alloytoo
/ 26th March 2018Poor?
Less people in abject poverty than yesterday, or the day before…
Sick?
Average lifespan has almost doubled in the last century?
Generally precarious?
I’ll grant you that, especially if you live in Venezuela, of Zimbabwe, or in the last century the Soviet Block.
phantom snowflake
/ 26th March 2018Really sad that you ‘guys’ seem to have no awareness of or care for those at the bottom of the heap.”I’m Alright Jack-ism” to the max.
PDB
/ 26th March 2018Plenty of taxpayer help for people that find themselves in unfortunate circumstances in this country Snowflake.
Gezza
/ 26th March 2018“Plenty” is an overestimate. It’s far from plenty & depends sometimes on whim it seems.
PartisanZ
/ 26th March 2018@Alan – “I’m arguing for individual freedom, against impositions from nanny state and political ideologues.”
And you can’t see that a Board of say five Old White Men needing a new member aren’t going to exercise “individual freedom” but will vote as a bloc to appoint someone like themselves … in other words an imposition from Old White Men … and, most likely, someone they already know …
They exercise a political ideology and do so to preserve the status quo …
A system like this is inherently ‘conservative’ and in dire need of a nanny state with alternative political ideologues to provide balance …
Alan Wilkinson
/ 26th March 2018The Board doesn’t elect itself, the shareholders do.
PartisanZ
/ 26th March 2018Substitute “nominate” for “appoint” in that case …
Alan Wilkinson
/ 26th March 2018In many cases the major shareholders will be nominating and electing their preferred directors. Where that is the Government is where appointment on merit ends and political cronyism starts. No doubt the likes of Genter will be employing same with gusto during their term of office. This rhetoric is the start of that game.
Kitty Catkin
/ 26th March 2018I wish that people would realise that ‘less’ refers to amounts (less cheese) When it’s numbers, it’s fewer (fewer cheeses)
traveller
/ 26th March 2018Having a board that provides valuable mentorship, objective analysis, drives business forward, develops strategy, seeks opportunities and manages risks is what a business needs. They certainly doesn’t need tokenism for its own sake.
Kitty Catkin
/ 26th March 2018I agree. What would be the point of appointing me to a board ? I would have no idea what I was doing. Tokenism is insulting, anyway,
Gerrit
/ 26th March 2018First question asked of any young brown female ( the required Greens demographic) on a board will be “are you here on merit or as a token to diversity?”
Have seen a board at the coalface where a women (owners wife) was appointed to add “balance”.
She was simply frozen out of the decision making process through lack of business nous. her contribution was basically zero whilst the remuneration was high.
All a board has to do is appoint the wives of male members to the board to get the PC balance required. They don’t even need to attend a board meeting.
phantom snowflake
/ 26th March 2018Wow. There are so many talented people who are “young brown females”. Where have you been? I have to wonder why the board you mentioned chose a woman who was unsuitable when there were so many other choices they could have made.
PartisanZ
/ 26th March 2018… because Boards dominated by ‘Old White Men’ don’t choose people who are not of the Old Boys Club or Lodge … or at least subservient to it … even females …
Alan Wilkinson
/ 26th March 2018As above, the Board does not elect itself.
phantom snowflake
/ 26th March 2018Apparently it does according to Gerrit: “All a board has to do is appoint…”
Alan Wilkinson
/ 26th March 2018With small companies the Board will often comprise the major shareholders. In that case there is the same set of people voting although their votes will be weighted by the ratio of their shares.
Kitty Catkin
/ 26th March 2018Alan, don’t waste your time. PZ doesn;t want to know,
Strong For Life
/ 26th March 2018I don’t believe there has been an overreaction at all. Ms Genter’s misandrous remarks are racist, ageist and sexist. If a white male, particular a National politician or Donald Trump, had come out with similar thoughts there would been an uproar. Ms Genter would have been leading the chorus of the outraged. Teaching and nursing, to use two examples, are dominated with female staff. If you use Genter’s logic many of these women should be asked to step aside so that men can take their jobs.
Kitty Catkin
/ 26th March 2018“Older women, especially brown women, should move aside fron teaching to let men in.’
They’d never hear the end of it.
Pete George
/ 26th March 2018Genter seems to be still not backing down.
Alan Wilkinson
/ 26th March 2018The goal for companies is survival and success, not diversity.
Alan Wilkinson
/ 26th March 2018And men should stop founding and building companies so big mouth women like Genter can catch up.
Pete George
/ 26th March 2018Another silly reaction: Man lodges complaint to Human Rights Commission over Julie Anne Genter’s ‘old white men’ comments
http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/03/man-lodges-complaint-to-human-rights-commission-over-julie-anne-genter-s-old-white-men-comments.html
High Flying Duck
/ 26th March 2018Stringer? Silly reaction? Colour me shocked.
Trevors_elbow
/ 26th March 2018Why is it silly Pete? Give your reasons please
Strong For Life
/ 26th March 2018It is not silly. Ms Genter needs to become more familiar with the Green Party’s Human Rights policy which states: “We stand opposed to any discrimination on the grounds of ethnicity, gender, political belief, sexuality, marital status, age, disability or socio-economic background.”
PDB
/ 26th March 2018PDB
/ 26th March 2018PDB
/ 26th March 2018Keep digging that hole…
PDB
/ 26th March 2018The above tweet from Genter seems to confirm that she wants to move these old, white guys on because she perceives them as examples of colonisation, institutional racism & sexism – no mention at all as to whether they are suitably qualified or experienced to do the work.
Apparently if we replaced them with young Maori women with no qualifications or experience all would be good in the world.
Alan Wilkinson
/ 26th March 2018A populist idiot with a matching constituency.
Corky
/ 26th March 2018Well. apparently I’m wrong. Genter isn’t backing down. That’s fine, we now move on to plan B which you have outlined… ” the keep digging that hole plan.” Same result, different route.The nutty biased SJW scenic drive route.
Someone needs to tell this fruit cake the reason there are more Maori men incarcerated is because Maori men commit more crime percentage wise.. That may shock Genter, but I’m informed by reliable sources it’s true.
phantom snowflake
/ 26th March 2018Another angle which I haven’t seen mentioned: Is there a connection between Julie Anne Genter’s remarks (and tweets) and her current campaigning for the Green Party Co-Leader’s position?
Pete George
/ 26th March 2018She certainly seems to be playing to the Green base, which will likely be her priority at the moment.
PDB
/ 26th March 2018Maybe – all that seems left of the Green supporter base are the fringe lunatics so her message may hit her target audience.
phantom snowflake
/ 26th March 2018Surely you jest. Middle Class urban cafe-dwellers are hardly lunatic fringe!
PDB
/ 26th March 2018Voting for the Mana party in green drag is hardly a sign of good mental health…
phantom snowflake
/ 26th March 2018Well there are a couple of people making activist noises due to the leadership contest but otherwise the Greens are just as afflicted with the same drift to the centre that has occurred with all the other parties in parliament. James Shaw! Do you get more beige and centrist than that??
PDB
/ 26th March 2018I grant you that Shaw is an odd fit. The Greens are a bit of a mess nowadays in terms of supporter base – the younger latte set you mention and the more extremist “Mana in green drag’ that infiltrated the party some years ago when Labour wasn’t seen as socialist enough.
In an effort to be inclusive as possible they appear to be totally pleasing no one and in the process have lost much of their environmental roots. They almost appear to be totally lost in govt as the economic reality of running a country & having to compromise bites. I personally have quite of few ex-Green supporter friends who don’t support the party anymore due to this focus away from environmental concerns.
David
/ 26th March 2018https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/102594106/older-white-men-have-a-lot-to-contribute-theyre-not-the-only-ones
What the hell. Stuff have given her an op ed to explain herself !! and last week they gave Ardern an op ed to waffle on about oil after her stuff up. Is this just a double standard and giving the women a chance to explain/spin to us rather than have some accountability.
I dont remember media extending this courtesy to other MPs and I really hope it isnt a gender/pregnancy/lefty bias thing unavailable to old white men.
PDB
/ 26th March 2018Genter: “Last week I was also fortunate to hear the former US President Barack Obama speak in Auckland. In his Q&A he was asked about successful leadership. He said it was vitally important to have women around the table.”
Does Len Brown having them on the table count?
Alan Wilkinson
/ 26th March 2018Good to see you getting back to your roots, PDB.
PDB
/ 26th March 2018I hope for the sake of Mrs Brown that Len doesn’t get back to his!
Alan Wilkinson
/ 26th March 2018I guess they figured if she wrote it they wouldn’t have to.
bjoneskiwi
/ 26th March 2018And here she is breaking two cardinal rules of politics – explaining is loosing and when your in a hole stop digging…
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/102594106/older-white-men-have-a-lot-to-contribute-theyre-not-the-only-ones
Something that was starting to die down is now back at the top of the news cycle…
Clap…… Clap…… Clap…… stupid green looser.
PDB
/ 26th March 2018Comments on that article will be interesting….
PDB
/ 26th March 2018Comment by nzalways;
“In the spirit of diversity should she not withdraw in favour of Davidson for co leader”
sorethumb
/ 26th March 2018Davidson is even nuttier.
PDB
/ 26th March 2018Great common sense comment by CamH;
“There’s a good chance that the majority of best qualified candidates ARE in fact white, old males. Why? Because they have, largely, had better opportunities and a stronger presence in the type of work that leads to these roles. That’s a generational thing, and it’s fantastic that the right steps are being taken to ensure other people have equal opportunity to learn and grow. However, it’s ignorant to expect that other groups of people can be represented equally as of right now. It takes time for those candidates to come through and be represented fairly.
I suggest, spending more time focusing on building the right attitudes from the ground up, instead of making comments before thinking, that just don’t make sense. Julie is trying to put the cart before the horse and it smacks of silliness.”
sorethumb
/ 26th March 2018https://www.biographyonline.net/scientists/top-10-scientists.html
sorethumb
/ 26th March 2018I think Diversity is over hyped (except viewpoint diversity where liberals exclude conservatives in the Academy)
PartisanZ
/ 26th March 2018“Good fences create good neighbours” …
Excellent. You won’t have any objection to a Tuhoe State then?
Or predominantly and distinctly Maori areas – which we already have – and a national Maori Legislative Assembly to govern them?
And appointed Maori representation on City & District Councils to represent the ‘fenced off’ Maori?
The only thing that creates even better neighbours than good fences is, presumably, A GREAT ABUNDANCE OF MANY REALLY BIG GUNS …?
sorethumb
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