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  1. lurcher1948

     /  March 29, 2018

    I’m sad to report that Mrs Hosking show today was a mixture of pixie dust and unicorn farts,sad really🐶

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  March 29, 2018

      Situation normal for you then, Lurch. Happy Easter.

  2. sorethumb

     /  March 29, 2018

    Globalist Conspiracy?
    It wasn’t just the awfulness of life in the Labour Party in the late-1980s and early-90s that depressed Sonja Davies. As a shrewd observer of both local and international politics, she rapidly became aware that New Zealand was passing through a period of fundamental cultural and economic re-orientation. What concerned her most was how little New Zealanders were being told and, therefore, how little they knew, about the changes that were radically reshaping what it means to be a New Zealander.

    “If people had any idea about the scale of these changes,” she confided to me early in her first term as MP for Pencarrow,” they’d be horrified. It’s been decided that New Zealand’s future lies in Asia. That’s got massive implications – but most people haven’t a clue. No one asked them and certainly no one’s telling them.”
    http://bowalleyroad.blogspot.co.nz/2015/07/chinese-whispers.html

    The immigration policy review in 1986 was part of a much larger agenda for change in New Zealand (Bedford 1996). It was not essentially a change in state policy with a primary focus on one region of the world, as Parr (2000:329) suggests, although clearly through the 1980s and 1990s immigration from countries in Asia was a highly topical issue for both politicians and the public. The attitudes of New Zealanders in the mid-1990s towards immigration may not have reflected the positive perspective on the value of diversity in our society that is contained in the Review of Immigration Policy August 1986. But this does not mean that the globalisation of immigration to New Zealand was an “unintended consequence of policy changes in 1986”. It was a deliberate strategy, based on a premise that the “infusion of new elements to New Zealand life has been of immense value to the development of this country to date and will, as a result of this Government’s review of immigration policy, become even more important in the future” (Burke 1986:330).
    //
    This process of population replacement is occurring at a time when natural increase amongst all components of the New Zealand resident population is falling.

    http://www.waikato.ac.nz/__data/assets/pdf_file/0009/76554/nzpr02-28-bedford.pdf

    and you could include a Marxist/post colonialist/social constructionist theory of racism (as espoused by Brother Number One).

    • PartisanZ

       /  March 29, 2018

      Yeah … well … you could propose to include that … I guess …. Maybe ….

      However it’s infinitely more likely that the change in immigration policy is commercially driven, pure and simple. That it’s ‘economic’ … at least on the surface … a numbers game …

      How unfortunate that money and people are inextricably linked eh? Money being a human construct the two cannot be separated …

      Seemingly economic rather than ideological, but actually based on the theories of Hayek, Friedman & Co, immigration policy is driven by so-called de-regulation, ‘free’ market and globalization philosophies. Absurdities like “rational self-interest”.

      The international financialization of economies and singularization into one global economy involving the ‘free’ flow of investment, goods, services and labour. Labour often has to live where they work. They become immigrants. Economic immigrants.

      This is entirely Lobster Brain Darwinian activity rather than Dada Surreal Socialist.

      The immigration policy is driven by the ethics of money. The Short Sprint through Profitability. Like it or not, it’s State-Corporate-Capitalist, Secular-Christian Conservative. It IS THE STATUS QUO.

      Now, if Brother Number One is who I think he is – Jordan Peterson – he spends his time and energy trying to convince us that immigration policy is NOT THE STATUS QUO. That instead it’s a neo-Marxist conspiracy, essentially ideological rather than economic, the Long March through Institutions.

      In other words, he tries to convince us that IT’S NOT HIM … when actually … it IS HIM!

      It’s the perfect little money generator – You academically and intellectually critique the very thing you ‘existentially’, practically and even philosophically support …

      This’ll be why his is ALL CRITIQUE. He never (as far as I’ve seen) offers any positive alternatives?

  3. lurcher1948

     /  March 29, 2018

    The AM shows male hosts are wearing blue and it shows with their attitude

  4. Patzcuaro

     /  March 29, 2018
    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  March 29, 2018

      Emmerson never fails to bite the hands that feed him. Published on Twiitter with assistance from all of the American technology companies he is attacking. Self-awareness is never the Left’s strong suit.

      • Gezza

         /  March 29, 2018

        Funny as though.

      • I disagree. Emmerson has taken two news stories, combined them beautifully and created a bit of humour.

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  March 29, 2018

          Just a squirrel. Same tactic as B.

          • Gezza

             /  March 29, 2018

          • Patzcuaro

             /  March 29, 2018

            I had to check the urban dictionary for squirrel.

            TOP DEFINITION
            Squirrel
            A promiscuous man-whore, who constantly seeks sexual pleasure which he calls a “nut”.
            I was beginning to think you were unlike the other cheating men of my past until you hit on my sister. You’re nothing but a Squirrel, just like all the others !

            Or

            2
            Squirrel
            A nickname often given to a rookie firefighter who tends to be over zealous.

            They typically believe they know more than they actually do, and relish in telling others the stories of there heroism, which are almost always exaggerations of the truth.
            Did you meet the new guy? He was talking about that box the other day. To hear him tell it, you’d think he drove the engine there, and put the thing out himself. What a squirrel.

            I take it you are referring to the 2nd.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  March 29, 2018

              I didn’t think that the cartoon was very funny or witty – not one of his best efforts.

            • Patzcuaro

               /  March 29, 2018

              It was topical, the West is rightly up in arms about the alleged attempted assassination of the Russian double agent by Russian operatives. Western countries are expelling undeclared intelligence agents in relatiation.

              That is all at the international level, back at home google, facebook and twtter etc are all quiet gathering information on all of us so they can target us with advertisements.

              Cartoons aren’t always funny but they draw attention to discrepancies in society. We are worried about Russian spies while we are being quietly spied upon ourselves.

            • Gezza

               /  March 29, 2018

              That’s right Patz. I see really funny ironical humour in that cartoon. Cartoonist are artists whose art very often makes very profound & often poignant points. Their pictures paint a thousand wise words so often but that tends to get overlooked because we see so msny cartoons familiarity has bred contempt.

            • Patzcuaro

               /  March 29, 2018

              I think Emmerson is quite a good cartoonist, not everybody’s cup of tea though. I grew up with Minhinnick at the Herald who had the Right Honourable Sir Robert Muldoon to play with.

              In fact if your are lampooned by most cartoonists you are somebody worthy of note. Politicians often had originals frame on their walls.

      • PartisanZ

         /  March 30, 2018

        Of course we could’ve stayed with chipping symbols into stone tablets or notches into sticks …

  5. Corky

     /  March 29, 2018

    Damn, David Seymour is ready for action. Go Dave!

  6. sorethumb

     /  March 29, 2018

    Interesting to get another take on one aspect of peterson lectures

    • Corky

       /  March 29, 2018

      Thanks Thumbs. I love these intellectual debates. Personally, I am yet to climb on The Jordan Peterson Express. I tend more towards the long haired narrators views..although some of his comments I don’t agree with.

    • phantom snowflake

       /  March 29, 2018

      “I’m a college philosophy professor. Jordan Peterson is making my job impossible.”

      Peterson is on the record saying Women’s Studies departments and the Neo-Marxists are out to literally destroy western civilization and I have to patiently explain to them that, no, these people are my friends and colleagues, their research is generally very boring and unobjectionable, and you need to stop feeding yourself on this virtual reality that systematically cherry-picks things that perpetuates this neurological addiction to anger and belief vindication–every new upvoted confirmation of the faith a fresh dopamine high if how bad they are.

      • phantom snowflake

         /  March 29, 2018

        Oops. Sorry. Was trying to post the link, not the whole bloody article!

        • Gezza

           /  March 29, 2018

          No worries: that was a plus, not a minus. Jordan Peterson’s done his best work. Now he’s too fond of the sound of his own voice and he’s irritating.

          • sorethumb

             /  March 30, 2018

            So far it is Peterson’s position on Jungian archetypes and embrace of some religious ideas that are under attack. The other areas (gender) are holding up.

  7. Corky

     /  March 29, 2018

    What the hell? Leighton is supporting Jacinda. He reckons she’s being bullied.That annoyed Barry Soper who phoned in as a regular caller to take on Leighton.

    But hold on. Leighton is a cruel heartless Righty. What’s up? My guess- Leighton realises he can be magnanimous because this government is already yesterdays news.

    • Gezza

       /  March 29, 2018

      Possibly. Was he not getting very many calls until then? 🤔

  8. lurcher1948

     /  March 29, 2018

    EVERY WEEKEND is a long weekend its a holiday, when you lot are paying for my pension

    • Blazer

       /  March 29, 2018

      expect an uptick from…Al for that one..Lurch.

    • Corky

       /  March 29, 2018

      The sooner National gain power and and remove your energy subsidy; your Super increases and other socialist trinkets, the sooner the vindictive part of my personality will feel validated. Two more years, son. After that, no more hay balen because the sun ain’t gonna be shining.

  9. Gezza

     /  March 29, 2018

    Righto. Question Time in The House of Reprehensibles.
    Got me coffee. Later.

    • Gezza

       /  March 29, 2018

      Q3. Hilarious. To make clear what he expected, Trev actually answered a question FOR the Minister of Foreign Affairs. 😀

      • Pickled Possum

         /  March 29, 2018

        Is that allowed?

        • Gezza

           /  March 29, 2018

          I wouldn’t have thought so. But Trev’s a trend-setter.

    • Gezza

       /  March 29, 2018

      I wouldn’t like to be the employee who annoys JAG. Q6, I think.

    • Gezza

       /  March 29, 2018

      And Q12 is even more comedy. I think we could agree all had a lovely time with that one.

  10. Corky

     /  March 29, 2018

    Snigger…Vernon Tarver is standing for National. This is one Robert Guyton will have to suck up.

    Vern being an intelligent man, sees the writing on the recycle shed wall.

    • Gezza

       /  March 29, 2018

      Whoever the hell Vernon Tarver is, Robert probably wouldn’t give a rat’s arse.

      If it was Vernon Tava he might.

      • Corky

         /  March 29, 2018

        That must have hurt. Find Vernon.

      • Conspiratoor

         /  March 29, 2018

        Agreed

      • Gezza

         /  March 29, 2018

        Speaking of which, what’s become of Robert these days?

        • PDB

           /  March 29, 2018

          New govt couldn’t even be defended by him…….

          • Gezza

             /  March 29, 2018

            Well he doesn’t really defend them, doesn’t make an argument, he just snarks at PG and roots for the Greens come what may.

          • Blazer

             /  March 29, 2018

            hell if you and others could defend the last useless bunch…he will have no trouble defending an Admin that actually wants to address..issues.

            • PDB

               /  March 29, 2018

              All turning to custard for your mob Blazer – lucky the last govt left them lots of money to keep them going….for now. Normally it’s ‘tax and spend’ for the left but in this case it’s ‘spend, then tax and then spend again’.

              The last govt were a lot more patriotic than that Cullen bloke who was proud to announce ‘the cupboard was bare’ when he shuffled out of office in the hope the country would fall over.

            • Blazer

               /  March 29, 2018

              too funny ..Cullen left with public debt at around 8 bil after years of surplus.Natz borrowed 100 bil…made kiwis tenants in their own country and handed the debt repayment to..future generations=hopeless,venal,no talent…disgrace.

            • PDB

               /  March 29, 2018

              You still can’t seem to remember a GFC and major earthquakes, the fact housing actually became unaffordable and rose more as a % under Labour & National were going to pay down debt faster than Labour who are borrowing even more as well as looking at increasing taxes.

            • Blazer

               /  March 29, 2018

              the GFC…a Wall St ‘problem’..the earthquakes an insurance coy ..problem…and the other ..years!

            • High Flying Duck

               /  March 30, 2018

              The last bunch will go down as one of the best governments this nation has ever had.
              The fact the world was in awe of how well our country was managed in one of the worst recessions in history, and how John Key was, and still is universally lauded overseas is completely lost on you.
              The country is in an excellent position but this will change in the near future unless someone shows some level of competence in the new government.
              Jacinda certainly won’t be the one to facilitate it though, as she is (quite ironically) completely toothless.

            • Blazer

               /  March 30, 2018

              ‘The fact the world was in awe of how well our country was managed in one of the worst recessions in history, and how John Key was, and still is universally lauded overseas is completely lost on you.’…sure is…the institutions he borrowed the 100bill from are very happy.I told you the GFC was caused by those of Key’s …ilk.The admiration of financial parasites is hardly …laudable.

            • High Flying Duck

               /  March 30, 2018

              Borrowed so much that Grant Robertson has raved about our wonderful debt position and how we are able to borrow more for a while because we are doing so well.

            • Blazer

               /  March 30, 2018

              making things up…now Duck.

            • High Flying Duck

               /  March 30, 2018

              “Out of nowhere, Finance Minister Grant Robertson has made a significant U-turn, reversing what seemed to be a core Labour position.

              After years of criticising National for a significant growth in Crown debt to more than $60 billion over the last decade, Robertson now seems to think the state of public debt is the best thing about the New Zealand economy.

              As sharemarket turmoil in the United States spread around the world, Robertson said in an interview that he had real confidence in New Zealand’s economic fundamentals.

              “When you look at the fundamentals of global economic growth, and indeed of the New Zealand economy, I’m reasonably reassured by that,” Robertson said.

              “Essentially the low level of public debt is a really important part of it.”

              https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/101218256/low-public-debt-will-help-nz-steer-through-global-turmoil–finance-minister

  11. Corky

     /  March 29, 2018

    Sir Bob gives the fight to Joshua. I wouldn’t have a clue. However, a loss for either fighter is no major setback, Should Parker get hammered, he will still be in demand.

    • Blazer

       /  March 29, 2018

      bad sign…Jones is usually wrong.Picked Cameron to beat ..Tua.My expert opinion….Parkers team…please have a stretcher..ready.Inside 6 rounds.

      • Corky

         /  March 29, 2018

        It will be interesting. Joshua looks huge compared to Parker. And his training routines on YouTube are both cutting edge and gruelling.

        Parker’s operation may be a telling point if it really has freed his speed up.

        • Gezza

           /  March 29, 2018

          Joshua. He’s just too big for Parker.

          • Gezza

             /  March 29, 2018

            15cm extra reach height weight advantage & muscles on his muscles.
            Parker was given a really genuinely warm reception by the punters tho.

        • Blazer

           /  March 29, 2018

          its all hype..the best line is Takam…Parker an even contest,Joshua fight should not have been..stopped.Parker has the lucky punch chance..that’s it.After picking up 12 mil I expect fulsome praise from the Parker camp at just how ..great Joshua is.

  12. Patzcuaro

     /  March 29, 2018

    Has Joyce’s fiscal hole finally been found not in Labour’s budget but in the DHB funding.
    Rotting buildings at Counties Manukau.

    https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/clean-up-cost-1-6-billion-rotting-auckland-dhb-buildings-disputed-health-minister

    It appears that DHB were told to live within their budgets resulting in repairs & maintenance being sacrificed to fund health care.

    Has capital expenditure been put off to balance budgets, effectively kicking much needed capital improvements to future taxpayers?

    • Gezza

       /  March 29, 2018

      Well, yes – that’s the consistent line the Government has adopted for its responses to Questions in The House in the Health and Education areas. And others. They also point out constantly that although National produced a budget supposedly to cover many of their initiatives the money was never actually appropriated/allocated to those initiatives.

      • High Flying Duck

         /  March 30, 2018

        The money was there to be appropriated though. Labour funneled all the funds to specific projects and left nothing in the kitty. This is exactly what Joyce was saying the whole time – everything is costed but no contingencies are in place for anything.
        Labour spent all the contingencies and are now blaming National for not having specific appropriations.

        • Gezza

           /  March 30, 2018

          Well what do you expect? Look who’s the Finance Minister. A numpty.

          • High Flying Duck

             /  March 30, 2018

            My expectations started off very low, but over the last few weeks I’ve had to reset the bar at unprecedented depths. And yet this government is still comfortably able to limbo underneath.
            I have put in a call to William Trubridge to help shift the bar to where it needs to be to avoid ongoing disappointment.

    • Blazer

       /  March 29, 2018

      Coleman degrade public health care and then take a job..with private healthcare…Key degrade KiwiBank and take a job..with ANZ..bit of a..pattern.

    • lurcher1948

       /  March 29, 2018

      My name is outlaw pete,DO YOU HEAR….ME

    • High Flying Duck

       /  March 30, 2018

      Well to be fair this is a problem Labour have created for itself and then passed the buck on to National for…

      They used all the capital funds to stop the Dunedin PPP and said they would “find the money elsewhere”

      Now it’s suddenly National’s fault.

      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/99915139/government-out-of-money-for-new-hospital-and-building-works–national

      • Blazer

         /  March 30, 2018

        its always been Nationals fault.Coleman was as much use as an ashtray on a…motorbike.

        • High Flying Duck

           /  March 30, 2018

          Let’s see…
          Jonathan Coleman:
          Attended Auckland Grammar School where he was Head Prefect in 1984, Coleman trained as a doctor, graduating from University of Auckland’s medical school. He worked as a doctor in New Zealand, the United Kingdom, and Australia (in the latter case, for the Royal Flying Doctor Service). He later obtained an MBA from London Business School in 2000, and returned to New Zealand the following year.

          He worked for PricewaterhouseCoopers as consultant on health sector issues and as a part-time general practitioner in Otara.

          Blazer:
          Bitter lefty with unknown achievements, but willing to use faulty reasoning and skewed thought processes to put down anyone who he disagrees with (generally anyone with any level of success).

          Your views are noted. And disregarded.

          • Blazer

             /  March 30, 2018

            touche.

            • Gezza

               /  March 30, 2018

              as much use as an ashtray on a…motorbike
              Uptick for that one. Should come in handy sometime. 👍🏼

  13. lurcher1948

     /  March 29, 2018

    48 years later a DAMN GOOD TUNE