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6 April 2018

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35 Comments

  1. PartisanZ

     /  April 6, 2018

    It’s official! As if we didn’t know … ‘Brian Fallow: What about the workers’ share?’ – NZHeraldo

    “For decades now, workers’ share of the national income pie has been shrinking while the share going to the owners of capital has been growing, though more slowly in recent years, recent research by the Productivity Commission has found.

    Between 1978 and 2016, the share of national income going to the suppliers of labour fell 8.3 percentage points, but the bulk of the decline was in the first half of that period. Between 1996 and 2016, the labour income share fell 1.8 percentage points to around 55 per cent. The capital income share rose correspondingly.

    … economists try to figure out what is driving this trend. Consensus remains elusive, but the three main suspects are: Technological change: Globalisation: Public Policy … or d) All of the above”

    No shit Sherlock!!!

    “If wage and salary earners received the same share of the [national] income generated in 2017 as they did in 1981 they would on average have been $11,500 better off,” he [Trade Union economist Bill Rosenberg] said.

    New Zealand’s tax system relies heavily on taxing labour income, first when earned and then when spent … We have a tax system in which, year to date, PAYE and GST between them have yielded nearly five times as much revenue as company tax.”

    Gee! Maybe its time we had a THIRD Tax Working Group?

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12026660

    • Patzcuaro

       /  April 6, 2018

      CEOs have been able to maintain or increase their share of the pie.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  April 6, 2018

      Company tax is just a tax on future investment. Profit returned to shareholders is taxed there as income not at the company. Raising company tax is counter-productive.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  April 6, 2018

        That’s why Labour and the Greens will want to do it.

  2. sorethumb

     /  April 6, 2018

  3. lurcher1948

     /  April 6, 2018

    Andrew Dickens HOST now on of the rightwing NZME newstalkZB has blamed the poor sexual offence charged teacher who was acquitted on the #me too movement WHAT A RIGHTWING TOSSIER Dickens and newstalkZB is, so 11 year old lying school pupils are lefties????, the hatred of losing the election by the right has no ends…

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  April 6, 2018

      The cops didn’t vet the evidence properly just as they failed in the Peter Ellis case. Both were before #metoo but accusers have too much power to destroy lives. There needs to be rebalancing and proper respect and support for innocence until proven guilty.

    • High Flying Duck

       /  April 6, 2018

      He was referring to the police attitude of not questioning the claims and having an assumption of guilt. The point had nothing to do with the accusers.
      The case fell apart fairly quickly in court, which shows there was ample opportunity for it to be resolved well before that point had the police displayed any scepticism and rigor.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  April 6, 2018

        The police have no option but to take these accusations seriously, there is no point in blaming them. Blame the dirty-minded little madams who didn’t like Mr X and saw this as an easy way to get rid of him.They have damaged him, wasted who knows many police hours and taxpayer money (which could have been better used elsewhere) because of dirty malice.

  4. lurcher1948

     /  April 6, 2018

    Its as if NZME have skin in the game, Why are the NZ Herald and newstalkZB so rabid rightwing, were they promised something if the National party had become the govt. The lineup of rightwing hosts are relentless, there’s no one from the centre or centre left,

    • Gezza

       /  April 6, 2018

      What about Bryce Edwards?

    • High Flying Duck

       /  April 6, 2018

      Soper was always considered a lefty, Rachel Stewart is FARRRRR left, Brian Rudman, Simon Wilson, Lizzie Marvelly, Bryan Gould…
      There’s plenty of left wing fodder. It just isn’t worth reading for the most part.

      That said, I think we have reached peak-Hosking / Hawkesby and they could tone promotion of their views considerably. Mike’s views are many things – but Breaking News they are most definitely not.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  April 6, 2018

        Or News, either, from the sound.

  5. lurcher1948

     /  April 6, 2018

    Somewhere else a shrill called HDPA has said its the end at the next election for labour but some unknown post posted this
    “I like how she wrote this article in the style of a sarky high-school “mean girl” slap down”.
    Maybe HDPA is just a little jealous as shes just a shrill and Jacinda Adern is our PM

    • Richard

       /  April 6, 2018

      ” our Prime Minister”
      Might be yours!!

      • Gezza

         /  April 6, 2018

        If you have another Prime Minister running another government at the moment they’re a bloody well-kept secret. But at least they’re not taxing us, I suppose.

    • Believe me NOBODY is jealous of Ardern, nor should they be. She’s in for a very, very rough rode and the reporters well know it.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  April 6, 2018

        Well, it was her own wish to go on that ride.

    • Gezza

       /  April 6, 2018

      Goes well with his name.

      • lurcher1948

         /  April 6, 2018

        HES not political, its his colour,Gezza, you would like him…

        • Gezza

           /  April 6, 2018

          Yes, I would. I’d like all of your dogs. You two are obviously great dog parents.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  April 6, 2018

            What a superb collar. Was it expensive ? Mine has a nice purple one from K Mart, and a tough leather one in a boring dull red-brown colour attached to his lead for when he goes for a W-A-L-K.

            A little dog up the road has all the registration circlets that he’s ever had still on his collar like a jazzy necklace that clicks when he runs, Too sweet.

            I bet that Red fancies himself in that collar, my dog would if he had one like it.

  6. lurcher1948

     /  April 6, 2018

    I love it, the alt right winger Andrew Dickens is upset at drones,ANDREW YOU ARE A BORING RIGHT WING DRONE MORE LIKE FULL OF SHIT, giggle why NO ONE WANTS TO TALK TO YOU

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  April 6, 2018

      Have you replaced your own collar, Lurch?

      • High Flying Duck

         /  April 6, 2018

        I think Lurch is off the leash today Al.

    • lurcher1948

       /  April 6, 2018

      Post hard-live long

  7. I can, hand on heart, state I have never posted online under the influence (drugs and alcohol).

    Anybody else?

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  April 6, 2018

      A few here need their meds, trav.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  April 6, 2018

        Nor have I, Trav. I don’t drink or use drugs. I smoked dope when I was at university, we all did.

    • Patu

       /  April 6, 2018

      It’s never too late to start Trav 😉

  8. Kitty Catkin

     /  April 6, 2018

    I cannot believe that a school is kept open for one pupil at a cost of $500,000 a year. How can this happen just because one child doesn’t want to leave ?

  9. Alan Wilkinson

     /  April 6, 2018

    Who would have thought? Making all rivers swimmable all of the time will cost far more than estimated and be much harder:

    https://i.stuff.co.nz/environment/102826604/councils-are-already-struggling-with-swimmability-targets-heres-why-thats-a-problem

    It will of course cost powers of ten more than restoring usable swimming pools for all our schools and achieve only marginal improvements. Eventually reality will force a focus on what is actually needed by local communities but until then we have a Labour/Green Govt who will shut their eyes and profess the impossible is both essential and attainable.

  10. lurcher1948

     /  April 6, 2018

    GO THE CANES…WINNERS 38-37