Greens hail ‘biggest victory yet’

Gareth Hughes:

I had to pinch myself because I almost can’t believe we did it!

Today our government has announced the historic decision to end all new fossil fuel exploration in our oceans.

Ending deep sea oil and gas exploration has long been a key goal of the Green Party and today, in Government, we’ve delivered it.

Without question it is our biggest victory yet.We’ve stopped the rigs.

Without doubt this is a big win for the Greens, but I don’;t think it stops the rigs, it just stops possible future rigs that don’t already have permits.

This nuclear free momentof ending the environmentally dangerous and planet threatening search for new oil and gas in our pristine waters has come about because of you and generations of New Zealanders calling for a clean energy future.

This campaign started decades ago. As a teenager I took part in a blockade of Mobil Oil calling for the end to oil exploration. And in 2011 I joined thousands of others on the beach at Tauranga to help clean up in the wake of the Rena oil disaster. Like so many Green members and supporters the campaign to stop oil exploration has been core to why I’m involved in politics.

And we really should all take pride in today’s historic win.

The Green Party has thrown everything (bar the kitchen sink) at achieving this goal. We worked with artists and painted giant murals, marched in the streets, tendered for the oil blocks to protect our oceans from the oil companies and I even donned a wetsuit to launch a policy underwater following the Rena oil spill. We uncovered scandals in Taranaki like the spreading of fracking waste on farm land and the National Government’s plans to drill for oil in the endangered Maui dolphin sanctuary.

For decades Greens have shone a spotlight on the perils of oil drilling and its threat to our very existence. And today we have won.

Our beaches, our whales, our Maui’s dolphins are safer from the danger of a Deep Water Horizon type catastrophe because of the decision our Government has made today.

Some people will not be happy about this decision. The oil companies are sure to protest loudly and have deep pockets and loud voice to drown out the call of the environment.  At the same time as this, the Government has started transition planning and support for the works.  So we need your help to get the positive message about protecting our climate out to as many people as possible.

146 Comments

  1. So long as they’re prepared to face the enmity of all other NZers when the imported black stuff dries up

    • Callum

       /  April 12, 2018

      It won’t dry up, but the price will go up.
      Stopping exploration in NZ which has strong environmental controls without reducing demand is the definition of stupidity. We will simply send $$$ overseas to less environmentally controlled countries for them to extract oil for us while putting NZers out of jobs.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  April 12, 2018

        I hope that they will provide an income for Taranaki.

        • Gezza

           /  April 13, 2018

          iMessage from my tuakana in New Plymouth after 1ewes at 6 last night (he’s a lefty):
          “Jacinta and Mummies’ Boy and Smart Alec Jones just lost this coalition government Taranaki voters en bloc”

          • Gezza

             /  April 13, 2018

            Still on night shifts, then?
            I am getting enuf sleep – just heading back to the scratcher.
            Toodles. 😀

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  April 13, 2018

            Oh, I wonder why he would think that ????

  2. robertguyton

     /  April 12, 2018

    Another feather in the Green cap. They just keep on coming! I’m amazed how quickly this Government is dissembling the National Juggernaut – which is rapidly becoming the National nought!

    • David

       /  April 12, 2018

      You are funny Robert. A day or two ago you denied force was an integral part of the Green agenda, yet here you are claiming this prohibition as being a great victory for the Greens.

      • robertguyton

         /  April 12, 2018

        This really is marvelous news – as I was saying just yesterday, the Greens are racking up the wins and just getting started! Next, we ban ACT!

        • Gezza

           /  April 12, 2018

          Why would you want to ban ACT? That’s a facist dictatorship sort of thing. Are you looking to establish a facist dictatorship here?

          • Gezza

             /  April 12, 2018

            Is this Green policy? They don’t mention this. Do they have policies they don’t announce?

            • PDB

               /  April 12, 2018

              Well they did kind of announce that if in govt they would ruin the country? Probably why only a few people actually bothered to vote for them.

          • robertguyton

             /  April 12, 2018

            Yes. The Green’s secret intention, known only by a privileged few such as myself, is to establish a fascist dictatorship here in New Zealand then impose all it’s bat-sh*t crazy policies in one fell swoop, thus saving the planet. The ACT Party will be one of the many, many victims of this Glorious Dictatorship, nothing more than a blip, a small bump in the road of the Green Juggernaut’s relentless progress toward a Gaian heaven, where Pete’s Blog is looked upon as a shrunken vestige of a once insane regime where oil burning was the norm. The new Overlords, Deep Green and emanating Love for All Beings, will refer to those from the past who loved oil, as “PDB’s” and laugh, nay guffaw, as they say the name.

            • Gezza

               /  April 12, 2018

              Don’t you think you should tell JAG she’s started the demonising of
              elderly future victims too early & it’s supposed to be kept secret until they seize absolute power?

            • PDB

               /  April 12, 2018

              Stuff: “The Green Party can’t afford their own internal polls, so are travelling somewhat blind on this, other than anything Labour shares with them and what the TV stations bring out every month or so.”

              Pretty much sums up the support of the Greens.

            • robertguyton

               /  April 12, 2018

              We’re letting it all hang out now, Gezza, confident in our dominance.
              PDB – what, exactly “sums up the support for the Greens”?
              Your comment makes no sense at all.

            • Gezza

               /  April 12, 2018

              Yes but the thing is, Robert, you’re not joking, are you? This is actually how you people think. You are epitomising why they are not popular & considered dangerous fools.

            • PDB

               /  April 12, 2018

              The fact it’s such a small party they can’t even afford to poll internally. I suppose when you’re struggling to get 5% what’s the point? All margin of error stuff…

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  April 12, 2018

              Robert is showing us why the environmental wing of the Greens is swamped by the socialists. Previously I wasn’t sure which fantasy is more hare-brained.

            • robertguyton

               /  April 12, 2018

              “Yes but the thing is, Robert, you’re not joking, are you? This is actually how you people think. You are epitomising why they are not popular & considered dangerous fools.”
              No, Gezza, the thing is…I am joking, pulling your chain, winding you (and PDB et al) up and yet the obviousness of the wind-up is completely lost on you; what you expect to see, you see. My jibes provoke you to reveal your off-the-planet prejudices and they’re kinda sick in my view, shallow and unhealthy to boot. You say, “you people” as if I represent someone/some people other than just myself – are you serious? The Greens and Her followers have been pushed down for so long, especially during the Keynocchio years and now some of us are revelling in handing back some of that smarmy crap we were forced to tolerate for so long, from the likes of PDM, Keeping Stock, Farrar et al. It’s our time to toy with you blokes but for goodness sakes, give credit only where credit’s due!

            • Gezza

               /  April 12, 2018

              No. You’re not, Robert. That’s what I’m doing to you. 😀
              And your goblin’s coming out of your woodland elf suit.

            • David

               /  April 12, 2018

              “some of us are revelling in handing back some of that smarmy crap we were forced to tolerate for so long,”

              Yes Robert, your response to someone else’s intolerance is simply to replace it with your own.

              Well done.

            • robertguyton

               /  April 12, 2018

              And the wee fella’s green!

            • Gezza

               /  April 12, 2018

              It shouldn’t be. If I were you, I’d get a doctor to look at that.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  April 12, 2018

              And as soon as possible.

          • That’s the way they roll Gezza – as you know Fascists and Social engineers

  3. NOEL

     /  April 12, 2018

    We’ve stopped the rigs. No yah haven’t. The existing licences are valid.
    There is spin from all sides on this one.
    Seymour and his this will cost 11000 jobs another example.

  4. Its an inevitable start …. long overdue. Time to start thinking sideways.

    • sorethumb

       /  April 12, 2018

      A few years back when Peak Oil loomed there was much enthusiasm for alternatives (they just never showed up).

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  April 12, 2018

      Thinking won’t get your goods to market or you to work. You have to actually do something. This Government has never done anything in its life so hasn’t a clue.

  5. sorethumb

     /  April 12, 2018

    So no tourist industry > smaller economy > yet the Greens have (over the years) supported mass migration (= population increase).

  6. Alan Wilkinson

     /  April 12, 2018

    Just another in a string of stupid decisions this Government is making which will make the country poorer. Every single stupidity has its cost, this one bigger than many.

    • Gezza

       /  April 12, 2018

      How is it making the country poorer not to do what we haven’t done?

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  April 12, 2018

        Not doing new things has costs. It is usually a route to corporate failure and leads nations to stagnation and decline.

        • Gezza

           /  April 12, 2018

          Oil exploration and drilling is not a new thing & governments are not corporations.
          Facebook is a corporation. They have done some new things. It made them very financially successful. How are they doing at the moment?

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  April 12, 2018

            Each new resource source is a new thing. Governments are not corporations so they don’t go bust. They just bankrupt their citizens.

            Facebook innovated and succeeded. Now they must continue to innovate or collapse. You prove my point.

            • Gezza

               /  April 12, 2018

              I don’t think that proves your point. How many times have you been bankrupted by a New Zealand government. That’s a better proof of your point.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  April 12, 2018

              Ask young Aucklanders trying to buy a house.

            • Gezza

               /  April 12, 2018

              😳
              How the hell would they know how many times you’ve been bankrupted by a New Zealand government? 🙄

            • Gezza

               /  April 12, 2018

              Rather look forward to downticks from humourless wankers. 😀

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  April 12, 2018

              I win again.

            • Gezza

               /  April 12, 2018

              Well, no, you don’t because:

              “President Nicolas Maduro blames [Venezuela’s] problems on an “economic war” being waged against Venezuela by the United States, the opposition and business people.”

              And he’s a socialist and the Greens are too and Robert and Zedd say whatever a Greenie says is true – so the above is true, so I win.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  April 12, 2018

              Takes two to wage war so the loony Left there took on reality and lost just as Saint Jacinda is doing here. She will lose and you already did.

            • Griff

               /  April 12, 2018

              I win again?
              Depends on the game Alan.

    • PDB

       /  April 12, 2018

      The govt are fools – demand will remain the same thus will have to come from somewhere and at bigger financial/ environmental cost.

      Do own goals now count when claiming a ‘win’?

      • robertguyton

         /  April 12, 2018

        Dinosaur-thinking like yours, PDB, will be extinct soon. The reality-meteor is already casting it’s shadow over NZ.Well done, Green-led Govt!

        • PDB

           /  April 12, 2018

          Better get that coal mining going Guyton! Going to need it when the gas runs out!

  7. sorethumb

     /  April 12, 2018

    Fewer feet, smaller footprint
    Fewer people would mean lower greenhouse-gas emissions
    Mr Wire points out that if all women who wanted contraception were provided with it, it would prevent the release of 34 billion tonnes of carbon dioxide between 2010 and 2050. Given the myriad of other reasons to limit human fertility (Dr Potts notes, for example, that slowing population growth is essential if poverty is to be eradicated), your correspondent cannot help but commend the report to mandarins meeting in Bangkok on September 28th to discuss the forthcoming United Nations Climate Change Conference in Copenhagen.
    https://www.economist.com/node/14488619

    There can be no other interpretation except that if a woman gets pregnant while on a benefit, she must accept state enforced contraception if she wishes to continue to receive her $194 per week social support. Despite dog whistling to misogynists everywhere, most New Zealanders would consider it abhorrent that the state would force women into contraception. This is an extreme form of state violence against women. The state has no right to control a woman’s fertility, under any circumstances.

    http://blog.greens.org.nz/2011/03/08/the-welfare-working-group-and-the-injection/

  8. Warren

     /  April 12, 2018

    How will they get their electric vehicles here when there is no oil to power ships? Indeed how will they get trains etc here or do they propose to manufacture them in NZ without the raw materials to do so?

    • David

       /  April 12, 2018

      The trains will be made here, that is obvious, from heap of course. Ships will be sail powered now too. Back to the future!

      • Blazer

         /  April 12, 2018

        steam.

        • robertguyton

           /  April 12, 2018

          Compressed air.

          • robertguyton

             /  April 12, 2018

            Each “truck” is powered and built from super-light … heap hemp “plastic”.

        • Gerrit

           /  April 12, 2018

          Steam generated by burning…

          Coal?
          Inefficient wood chips?
          cow pats?

          How much will the railways have to pay iwi/state for water rights?

          • robertguyton

             /  April 12, 2018

            Compressed air, Gerrit – plus, you’re a sailing fan – sail-powered/assisted shipping is a real option, right?

            • Gerrit

               /  April 12, 2018

              Compressed air? Bit hard to tow the boat with one of these!!

              https://zeropollutionmotors.us/

              OK for around town as a old ladies shopping cart, but a serious car? Fancy driving to Christchurch from the West Coast in one of these? Good luck to you. Don’t look to comfortable.

              Cant see it pulling a boat out of the water at the Takapuna ramp.

              Problem with sailing boats for commercial use is their small size and limited carrying capacity. Sure looks good on the open water but navigation in a confined channel is a big problem. Cant see a large ocean going ship tacking up the Lyttleton channel in a howling Southerly.

              Large risk running aground in a fairly restricted (for depth) waterway. Still would need conventional powered tugs to berth the large vessels.

              I suppose we could go back to the old days where rowing boats were used to berth ships. Could be a good way to get the prison population out into the fresh air. Chained to an oar?

            • robertguyton

               /  April 12, 2018

              What a misery you can be, Gerrit!
              R&D will soon bring sail-assisted ships up to speed; same with compressed-air powered trains. Don’t be afraid of the new, you ol’ Luddite!

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  April 12, 2018

              Compressed air is not an energy source. Neither is your hot air, Robert.

            • Griff

               /  April 12, 2018

              I have it
              poor wee conservatives
              They don’t have the intelligence needed to imagine solutions to their proposed problems by them self’s.

              Tugs run for an hour or two a day .
              Plug them in.

              Wind is not just useful for motive force like in a sail.
              You can also run a turbine to charge battery to use for motive power in constricted waters.
              In fact on my ketch the wind turbine powers all systems when sailing .
              I set the mizzen to spill onto the turbine so it is actually more effective when under sail than when anchored.

              In fact global shipping emissions are under discussion right now.
              International Maritime Organization.

    • Griff

       /  April 12, 2018

      Oh dear.
      dont ya know
      We smelt aluminum here .
      Number one produce of pure aluminum in the world .
      Powered by.
      You guessed it
      100% Renewable energy.

      Jesus h and Mohammad in a bed playing hide the sausage
      Sometimes you wonder were these Luddites come from .
      Some dark dank hole with no outside information.

      • Gerrit

         /  April 12, 2018

        Whilst aluminium is smelted here (from imported bauxite) the smelter only produces ingots, not rolled plate or sheets. They cast aluminium “pencils” for the local extruders, making extrusions the only New Zealand application for the smelters end products.

        So you have to import bulk bauxite and with no post processing abilities to convert billets to plate and sheet, the smelter is certainly not all sweetness and light.

        Especially as the waste product produced (spent cell lining – some 180,000 tons of it) is only good as a fuel to power stations.

  9. PartisanZ

     /  April 12, 2018

    Governments of every ilk are pretending they have real, meaningful choices about what they do … What they do is manage the economy on behalf of corporate-capitalist-political elites.

    Meanwhile people intent on deluding themselves that they have some democratic ‘power’ are pretending that governments’ [of every ilk] ‘pretendy’ choices will make real, meaningful differences …

    It’s utterly farcical.

    The “Greens’ biggest victory” is actually nothing but business as usual.

    If ‘new’ oil and gas exploration is to end you can rest assured the oil and gas exploration companies – who almost certainly all hold existing licenses – have agreed to it in advance.

    • robertguyton

       /  April 12, 2018

      Of course, but we deserve a party every now and then, even if the reasons are illusory – what about Christmas?

      • PartisanZ

         /  April 12, 2018

        Fair enough Robert … I was feeling a bit jaundiced when I wrote that …

        Most change is evolutionary. It comes about in tiny increments.

        This is one of those, illusory or not …

        • robertguyton

           /  April 12, 2018

          A significant effect from the announcement will be to energise the section of society that sees the harm oil “burning” is doing. That section is rapidly growing, Imo. Politically, this is a turning point.

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  April 12, 2018

            Excellent. Does this mean the Greens will now bike instead of flying, busing or being driven? Will they introduce rickshaws to Parliamentary Services?

            • robertguyton

               /  April 12, 2018

              Yes. Just as National drove in nuclear-powered limos.

          • Griff

             /  April 12, 2018

            No Alan they will drive around in Tesla.
            You know big powerful and extremely quick seven seater luxury sedans.
            That will be a lot cheaper to buy ,maintain and hold better residual values than the useless BMW’s 7’s they use now.
            You seen how much each one of those shite boxes lose in the few years the government runs them for?
            $150,000 odd to buy new and they are worth about 30 grand three years later.
            Poor losers who buy them second hand.
            Had a guy turn up to the boat club in one boasting how cheap it was.
            Sucker.
            It run for about six months before something broke so badly it was a worthless pile of parts.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  April 12, 2018

              I know Teslas. My business partner drives one but they won’t be cheaper than those BMWs though probably will hold better value. So it’s Teslas for the elite and bikes for the rest of us.

            • Griff

               /  April 12, 2018

              BMW 7 Series Sedan
              Priced from $202,700 to $244,000
              Jesus the BMW web site is Shite to navigate.
              https://www.bmw.co.nz/en/all-models/7-series/sedan/2015/introduction.html

              Tesla S 75d
              121.500.
              Tesla S 100d
              $151.000
              Tesla S p100d.
              214,400.
              https://www.tesla.com/en_NZ/models/design

              Optioning up for higher grade upholstery, big leary wheels,flash paint etc are about the same.

              Most of the government limos fleet could easily be replaced by 75’s with a few 100’s chucked in for any real long range work.
              No one needs a P100D they are ludicrous toys for the filthy rich with the only difference being the acceleration bragging rights.
              I factored in a fleet discount for BMW to get $150.000..
              Its the running cost and depredation that really hurts.

  10. sorethumb

     /  April 12, 2018

    Golriz will have to curtail her overseas holidays,

    • robertguyton

       /  April 12, 2018

      Why, because there are to be no new offshore permits issued in NZ?
      Streeeeeeeeeeeeetching it, sorethumb.

      • sorethumb

         /  April 12, 2018

        No to show she walks the walk and talks the talk.

    • PartisanZ

       /  April 12, 2018

      Such a pathetic reaction … and so typical of Righties … SO typical of National Party politicians … You can’t fight against oil if you use oil to do so … that makes you a hypocrite!

      Hypcrite! Hyprocrite! You’re a Greenie hypocrite! It’s infantile playground stuff …

      These very same people advocate fighting against war with ever more war …

      People have always traveled, and while people need to travel using the current methods of travel in order to bring about better methods of travel in the future, it seems perfectly reasonable to use the current methods …

      Change doesn’t arrive from the future. It comes from the past and the now …

  11. Zedd

     /  April 12, 2018

    “YAHOOOOO”.. now perhaps they can actually start to move to more sustainable energy options, even Hemp Biofuels (as Henry Ford wanted for his cars).. prior to the Rockefellers etc. destroying its potential, by making dirty fossil fuels cheaper/more available, but also more polluting too !

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  April 12, 2018

      What are you smoking, Zedd? No, don’t answer that.

      • Zedd

         /  April 12, 2018

        I should ask you the same question too Alan 😀

        btw; just breathing in the air right now

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  April 12, 2018

          Never smoked anything, Zedd, after watching my dad die of emphysema.

          • Zedd

             /  April 12, 2018

            fair enough.. i grew up watching my parents smoke tobacco.. so I did not do that one either.. horrible filthy stuff (but LEGAL)

    • Gezza

       /  April 12, 2018

      … even Hemp Biofuels (as Henry Ford wanted for his cars)
      😀 Far out! I’m certainly a supporter of this idea & I’m sure Possum & maybe even PZ probably would be – I gather there’s an industrial hemp industry up North that would love to expand if it could get approval.

      But this sounds a bit urban myth/fake newsy – hope you don’t mind, but link, please?

      • Zedd

         /  April 12, 2018

        just ‘google it’ there are such industries already starting up in other countries.

        btw; Henry Ford built a car from Hemp-based plastic (biodegradable).. this is also now being ‘rediscovered’ 🙂

        The Fossil fuel industry will fight tooth/nail to maintain their monopoly.. but like the Dinosaurs (which supposedly this OIL is made from) they are heading for extinction too

      • Zedd

         /  April 12, 2018

        @gezza

        • Zedd

           /  April 12, 2018

          you actually have to watch it folks… before downticking
          It maybe ‘light hearted’ but it does give the CLEAR facts

          • PartisanZ

             /  April 12, 2018

            The fossil fuels, paper, cotton, liquor and tobacco industries are the main perpetrators of misinformation about, discrimination against and the conflated criminalization of industrial hemp and medicinal cannabis …

            Plus the American government needed as much ammunition as possible, like a war on drugs, to conduct war on their own Black people and imprison as many of them as possible …

            So there’s one more big industry involved, the ‘Crime & Punishment’ industry.

    • David

       /  April 12, 2018

      “even Hemp Biofuels ”

      Running the world’s fleet of vehicles on biofuel would require more land than is currently used for food production.

      Palm oil produces over 5,000kg of usable fuel per ha, per year. Hemp is just 300. Your idea of using hemp is a demand to see the world starve.

      • Zedd

         /  April 12, 2018

        excuses, excuses, excuses.. Hemp takes months to grow.. fossil fuels too ‘millions of years’ to produce.. go figure !

        • David

           /  April 12, 2018

          “Hemp takes months to grow..”

          On the same fields that are used to produce food. Take your choice.

          • robertguyton

             /  April 12, 2018

            Intercropping. Problem solved. If in doubt, David, ask a greenie.

  12. David

     /  April 12, 2018

    You know perfectly well that Golriz is an important person and as such is entitled to suitable lifestyle. We, on the other hand, will not be able to have such a lifestyle because ‘save the planet!’.

    • robertguyton

       /  April 12, 2018

      Did you read the latest news from Shell, David? They’ve known for yonks that their industry was buggering the planet, but that didn’t stop them from carrying on, full steam ahead, damn the torpedoes (much as you are doing).

      • David

         /  April 12, 2018

        Robert, if this is a natural process and the O&G industry is coming to an end, there was no need for this ban and it’s nothing more than symbolic nonsense to buy off the Green party.

        Which is it?

  13. Alan Wilkinson

     /  April 12, 2018
    • Gezza

       /  April 12, 2018

      lol – gotta be pic of the week, that one. 😀

      • Gezza

         /  April 12, 2018

        I’m just not seeing any disaster with this decision.

      • robertguyton

         /  April 12, 2018

        Show-boater!
        There is no disaster, Gezza. But there’s change a’comin’.

        • Gezza

           /  April 12, 2018

          Well there needs to be and it’s coming anyway but if this government collapses or taxes (levys) too many of the wrong things and people and doesn’t get re-elected, how fast that change will actually happen & how it will be meshed with more efficient use of fossil fuels is hard to say.

        • sorethumb

           /  April 12, 2018

          Metiria misscalculated.

  14. Alan Wilkinson

     /  April 12, 2018

    Greens celebrate making other countries richer and NZ poorer. Labour too stupid to realize what they’ve done.

    • Zedd

       /  April 12, 2018

      Its a 3 party coalition.. they may not all agree on every issue, BUT they do seem to have more in common, than not.
      btw; IF NZF had more in common with Natl.. they would be in Govt. now
      *BUT not the reality Alan 😀

    • David

       /  April 12, 2018

      They know what they have done. Making NZ poorer is not a concern for them if they get power as a result.

      • Gezza

         /  April 12, 2018

        Can you quantify how much poorer we’re going to be as a result of this decision?

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  April 12, 2018

          No, but just current royalties from Taranaki fields are $300M as well as 7500 salaries, prob another $500M+ per annum. Enough to lift a few kids out of poverty or drop them into it.

          • Gezza

             /  April 12, 2018

            Hemp biofuels?

            • Zedd

               /  April 12, 2018

              hey good idea man.. I wish Id thought of it 😀

          • Gezza

             /  April 12, 2018

            Anyway – taranaki’s still good to go for a few more decades isn’t it?
            I’m not overly worried about this. Offshore drilling in the Tasman I reckon is asking for trouble. They’re sitting under a dormant volcano that’s statistically overdue for a blowup – why run more risks than needed? They’ve got time to review their future & look at alternative employment options. And this coalition could collapse and another government coming in have a different approach.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  April 12, 2018

              Obviously oil exploration is a long term investment which certainly won’t happen in a stop/go regulatory environment. This action has killed it for the foreseeable future.

            • Gezza

               /  April 12, 2018

              Is anybody falling over themselves to go looking for it anyway? Andarko upped sticks and sodded off.

              Are we using what we’re producing ourselves ? Taranaki’s waxy oil. Are we refining and using it here or flogging it off and importing premium stuff anyway?

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  April 12, 2018

              As above, it’s worth getting on for $1B/yr to NZ irrespective of who buys it.

            • PartisanZ

               /  April 12, 2018

              @ Alan – “irrespective of who buys it.”

              That about sums up our present-day Machiavellian economics …

              Make the weapons, sell the weapons, irrespective of who buys them.

              Make the poison-foods, sell the poison-foods, irrespective of who buys them …

          • Blazer

             /  April 12, 2018

            royalties Al?Does this mean the people of NZ/Crown own the oil.?

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  April 12, 2018

              Yes, when it is in the ground. No, when it is in the pipes, B. On account of the investment required to get it there.

      • robertguyton

         /  April 12, 2018

        David says, “Poor, poor us!” we’re at least 2.

        • Gezza

           /  April 12, 2018

          He’s not proposing sort of fascist dictatorship you’ve admitted the Greens want though.

          • robertguyton

             /  April 12, 2018

            He’d never admit to it. Nor would the Greens.

            • Gezza

               /  April 12, 2018

              I know. That’s why it’s good you’ve been honest about it.

            • robertguyton

               /  April 12, 2018

              And, Key loses his knighthood.

            • robertguyton

               /  April 12, 2018

              English never gets his.

            • robertguyton

               /  April 12, 2018

              Kiwiblog though, stays open – he does great work for the Left.

            • Gezza

               /  April 12, 2018

              Thanks. it’s good to have a Green insider putting out pretend false flags as a smoke screen but actually telling the truth.

            • robertguyton

               /  April 12, 2018

              Pete gets nominated as Green candidate for Dunedin South.
              PDB receives the Jeanette Fitzsimons “Cuddle Bear of the Year” award.
              David seconded to Green Party HQ to hold the dart-board.

            • Gezza

               /  April 12, 2018

              That’s ok. No need to panic & start inventing. Most people can work out the real stuff you’ve actually divulged.

            • robertguyton

               /  April 12, 2018

              New flag. Hemp leaf.

  15. sorethumb

     /  April 12, 2018

    The other big win for the Greens is making Catherine Delahunty Minister of Broadcasting (as seen by a religious reverence to all things Maori on RNZ)?

  16. sorethumb

     /  April 12, 2018

    Our political system is knackered. You vote for a party on issue A,B,C or D. As Karl Poppov points out under proportional representation (MMP) parties don’t represent me but instead an ideology. In the Green Party case that ideology is smash the world order and remake it (Cambodia, Venezuela Soviet Union).

  17. Zedd

     /  April 12, 2018

    I just watched the ‘Urgent debate’ introduced by P Bennett on this issue.. here are few fascinating points, alluded to, mostly from Natl:

    1) The Sky will fall.. no doubt
    2) Its the end of the world as we know it.. (financially)
    3) All the lights will go out by next week
    4) All the cars & trucks etc. will all come to the grinding halt the week after
    5) All the people in Taranaki will be unemployed soon after that
    6) They signed up to the Paris climate accord.. BUT really have no plan to implement it
    7) They talk about being ‘more enviro-friendly’. (Bridges on TV). BUT.. its just talk to try win a few extra votes (maybe from Greens ?) but not really on their agenda
    8) NZ has such low emissions, it hardly rates a mention (from Judith); Mr Shaw confirmed we have the 5th highest PER CAPITA in the world. DISGRACEFUL from a country that constantly claims to be ‘Clean, Green 100% pure..’
    9) We cant possibly move from fossil fuels to renewables.. within the next 50 years
    10) “COAL IS SEXY” according to Gerry B, when he was the minister

    Of course most of this is totally RIDICULOUS & pure FEAR-mongering.. BUT the tone of the Natl MPs made it sound like its the future we all face. IF we go ahead with this Govts plan.. to actually do something to transition from dirty polluting fossil fuels & avoid the worst effects of Climate change.. that we are already seeing evidence of.. HO HUM Paula & Co.

    • Gezza

       /  April 12, 2018

      How many of those 1 to 10 are actually true if I go and watch the video clips of each speaker Zedd?

      • Zedd

         /  April 12, 2018

        Lets just say Gezza..
        I may have paraphrased for ‘impact’ BUT go ahead by all means watch it; Im not too far of the mark IMHO.. they were totally out to strike FEAR.. into as many kiwis as poss !

    • robertguyton

       /  April 12, 2018

      Headless chickens bubbling, “The sky is falling, the sky is falling!!”

      • Gezza

         /  April 12, 2018

        Did you watch the debates?

        • robertguyton

           /  April 12, 2018

          Only Bennett’s diatribe. What a clown.

          • Gezza

             /  April 12, 2018

            I might have a look. Seems to be mostly your childish blithering here.

      • PartisanZ

         /  April 12, 2018

        Robert I disagree … They are not headless chickens at all … just cowardly chickens …

        What they’re doing is consciously pandering to their cowardly chicken voter base, who want to see the Cock rule the roost …

        • robertguyton

           /  April 12, 2018

          Indeed, they are cravenly cunning.