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13 April 2018

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45 Comments

  1. With all the government enquiries announced (the latest one costing $2M), and Pike River budget of $23M to come to their inevitable conclusion that it is unsafe to enter, the cost makes the flag referendum pale into insignificance, doesn’t it?
    May be we should convert the enquiries costs to Middlemores, like Pike River is 3 and SAS firefight is 0.25.

    • David

       /  April 13, 2018

      Careful that would actually require a Labour cabinet minister to do something and they are hardly qualified and clearly not confident enough or have any experience in doing anything.

    • Blazer

       /  April 13, 2018

      no it..doesn’t.

  2. lurcher1948

     /  April 13, 2018

    Yawn,after 9 years of National doing nothing the fact that the new government does something can be bewildering to the right,get used to it righties the left will find where all the bodies are buried.

    • PDB

       /  April 13, 2018

      Lurch: “the left will find where all the bodies are buried.”

      I think they already know Lurch – hence the cover-ups regarding youth sexual assault claims, Curran interfering in RNZ and NZL First lying about attempting to blackmail a National MP.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  April 13, 2018

        I do think that Jenny Marcroft was used as a catspaw. New MP – willing to oblige – a bit naive….

  3. duperez

     /  April 13, 2018

    The discussion on here about the length of the closure of SH1 for the incident at Easter was given new perspective this morning. RNZ had a story today which indicated the complexity of the situation. We knew it would be, but the minutiae is going to be pored over, interpreted and litigated. Any and every detail.

    I am pleased I am not a police officer, a mental health worker and hopefully never the parent of someone is involved in such an incident.

  4. sorethumb

     /  April 13, 2018

    At the same time, feminist thinking underwent a profound acculturation as it developed inside the habitus of the American academy. The bold claims and synthesizing ambitions of women’s liberation gave way to disciplinary differentiation and career-oriented choices of dissertation topic; academic credentials established a hierarchy alien to movement egalitarianism. In the ‘policy disciplines’—economics, social and political sciences—which would produce an impressive cadre of feminist experts, research tended to be compartmentalized within neo-classical or functionalist, quantitative or qualitative traditions. In the humanities, and above all the literature departments, where new generations of gender activists were generally schooled, the predominant influence remained Foucault. [44] Within these limits, critical heterodox thinking was encouraged—and funded. Around 1990, Berkeley and UCLA produced two major theoretical challenges to the hegemonic anti-discrimination model of feminist politics. In Gender Trouble, Judith Butler launched a passionate assault on the binary categories of ‘men’ and ‘women’ presupposed by mainstream feminism, and questioned its practice of making representational claims on women’s behalf; to do so was merely to extend the power-knowledge regime responsible for producing ‘male’ and ‘female’. A new feminist politics should contest the reifications of gender and identity, taking their variable construction as a methodological prerequisite and political goal. [45] A few months earlier, Kimberlé Crenshaw had assailed anti-discrimination law from a Critical Legal Studies perspective for its single-axis approach, which treated race and gender as mutually exclusive categories of experience; as a basis for policy demands, the entire framework should be rethought and recast. Collective political action should put the marginalized at the centre, begin from the needs of the most disadvantaged, and thereby remake the world for the benefit of the rest. [46]
    https://newleftreview.org/II/109/susan-watkins-which-feminisms

  5. PartisanZ

     /  April 13, 2018

    ‘Storm-hit Taranaki communities looted by ram-raid and thefts’ – Heraldo

    “They stole cigarettes and tobacco.”

    Gee … I wonder why?

    Could it be the utterly absurd idea we can treat people’s addiction to tobacco and the numerous root-causes of their addictions including poverty, simply by constantly increasing the price of the substance … creating a lucrative black market … and perhaps by offering them nicotine substitutes as well?

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12031867

    • Gezza

       /  April 13, 2018

      “They stole cigarettes and tobacco.”
      Gee … I wonder why?

      They’re thieves.

  6. High Flying Duck

     /  April 13, 2018

    Good article on the Hubbard issue taken from the Telegraph. It sums up the “morality” issue vs reality very well:

    “Even doctors acknowledge that a case such as Hubbard’s risks creating an uneven playing field. “A man transitioning to a female has physiological advantages that they take into their new female life,” argues Alison Heather, a professor of physiology at the University of Otago, in Hubbard’s native New Zealand.

    On the one hand, it is deeply vexing in moral terms to suggest that Hubbard and those in similar circumstances should be barred from following what they love simply because of who they are. But should the rights of an individual, especially in a sport as determined by strength as Hubbard’s, override the rights of women who stand no chance of gold with her on the same stage?

    Such an outcome runs contrary to the very notion of sporting fairness. For that reason, and for all that we live, mercifully, in more enlightened times, the spectacle of a transgender weightlifter is perhaps still a taboo-breaker too far.”

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/opinion/103072387/laurel-hubbard-case-shows-transathletes-challenge-is-a-taboo-that-is-best-left-alone

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  April 13, 2018

      Laurel Hubbard has traded strength for female hormones. I can’t understand anyone wanting to be a weight-lifter, but that’s neither here nor there. It does seem that women who do it can end up with physiques like Laurel Hubbard’s anyway.

      • Gezza

         /  April 13, 2018

        That’s not the point Kitty. As that article makes clear, medical opinion & that illustration I posted to you show the differences in the male & female skeletal structure. Lauren cannot be but an altered male, structurally. This gives her an advantage in weightlifting over natural born, real, females. This is not an assault on her character or being anti-transgender. It’s just a physiological fact. It no doubt takes an extraordinary amount of courage to recognise & go through the transgender transformation knowing she just cannot accept herself as a male because she feels born in the wrong body, & I commend her for that. We don’t all get to do the things we’d realllly love to do for all sorts of reasons. I think her weightlifting in a female weightlifting competition intended for females with female skeletal & muscular structures is one thing she just shouldn’t be able to do.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  April 13, 2018

          They have hormone tests and she passed them. Anyway, her painful injury means that she’s out of the sport. I don’t see her as an altered male, there is much more to it than having the dangly bits removed and altered. The hormones are the biggest change.

          I knew a woman who had been a man -a sailor – and I don’t think that her physical strength would have been anything like what it had been when she was John and not Jane.

          • Gezza

             /  April 13, 2018

            I’m in a bit of a quandary now. Should I listen to qualified medical opinion or to yours?

  7. phantom snowflake

     /  April 13, 2018

    Kim Dotcom
    ‏Verified account @KimDotcom

    Watch the Deputy Prime Minister of New Zealand, Winston Peters, shaming the former Attorney General, Chris Finlayson, for his terrible, unethical and unlawful conduct in my case. Can’t wait to get the evidence Finlayson was trying to hide and go after him.

    • NOEL

       /  April 13, 2018

      I hope he is talking about a civil case against Findlayson the person.
      When is he going to accept that we’ve paid an awful lot of tax payer dosh to give him his right to Justice. More than any other Kiwi I know.

      • phantom snowflake

         /  April 13, 2018

        Not quite up there with David Bain and Teina Pora…yet!

        • Gezza

           /  April 13, 2018

          Kim’s better equipped to pad things out tho?

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  April 13, 2018

            He’s also yesterday’s new, fish & chip paper – if that.

            • phantom snowflake

               /  April 13, 2018

              Ah, but you’re not going to lure me into going another round with you on the subject of Herr Dotcom. You are…relentless. (euphemism)

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  April 13, 2018

              No, but it’s true that he’s not news now.

              I wasn’t even thinking of that 😀

              There’s a German barber called Herr Styler 😀 😀 😀

            • Gezza

               /  April 13, 2018

              Hope I haven’t put you off posting music in Gen Chat, Snowy.

            • phantom snowflake

               /  April 13, 2018

              Hey Gezza. No; there hasn’t generally (apparently) been much interest in music I’ve posted recently, but that’s not on you.

    • Gezza

       /  April 13, 2018

      Funny stuff. Must have a look for Nikki Kaye’s follow on.

  8. lurcher1948

     /  April 13, 2018

    What a laugh,the poodle national party are excited the orange hued POTUS #45 wants to deal in to the trade treaty of the year as they(USA) want to counter China, Well POTUS stuff off and MAGA somewhere else, but wait someone in National will do a BIG GROVEL and whine about LABOR not bowing and groveling to POTUS like them.

  9. lurcher1948

     /  April 13, 2018
  10. lurcher1948

     /  April 13, 2018

    I don’reallyt feel for all the Aucklanders with no power for another night, no showers or smashed avacados for breakfast or missing the chance to watch the Bues and auckland Warriors loss,im sweet here in Wellington and dont really feel for you SORRY

    • Gezza

       /  April 13, 2018

      Had a call from me mate Paddy in Auckland. Wanted to know if Wellington was still there.

      • lurcher1948

         /  April 13, 2018

        Gezza i have a long power cord if needed, but who in NZ cares about auckland,show of hands please, no one cares

        • Gezza

           /  April 13, 2018

          No there were no worries they have gas and the power’s been back on since yesterday. They were a bit worried Wellington might have been blown away & wondered if we had any supplies seeing transport had been disrupted up there.
          I said we were ok unless we’d ordered any food from Auckland via Trademe and the supplier had given it to Fastway couriers. In which case, although it’s been at their Lower Hutt depot for a fkn week, out here in Tawa we’d have starved to death by now.

  11. Gezza

     /  April 13, 2018

    Just had a phone call on me landline. When I answered it started dialing at the other end. What sort of scam is this one? Is there an outbreak of it?

  12. lurcher1948

     /  April 13, 2018

    SKY TV REALLY wanted the chiefs to win, but the chiefs are from the north, ie no balls or guts, so GO THE CANES WINNERS,as usual

    • lurcher1948

       /  April 13, 2018

      SHY just said they(the Canes) were lucky to come away with the win WTF, just like how national were unlucky to win,WTF