US launch missile attack on Syria

As threatened by Donald Trump earlier this week he has ordered a US missile strike against targets in Syria.

The UK and France  have also taken part in the attack.

Theresa May has announced the UK involvement.

It has been described as a one off limited attack, but there must be some risk of escalation.

Probably the key thing now will be Russia’s response, having warned against any punishment of Syria for alleged chemical weapons attacks.

Statement on Syria

Jacinda Ardern

RT HON JACINDA ARDERN

This morning the Government was advised that targeted military action would be taken in response to the latest chemical weapons attack in Syria, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern says.

“The Government has always favoured diplomatic efforts and a multilateral approach. The use of the veto powers at the Security Council prevented that course of action. We have always condemned the use of the veto, including by Russia in this case.

“New Zealand therefore accepts why the US, UK and France have today responded to the grave violation of international law, and the abhorrent use of chemical weapons against civilians.

“The action was intended to prevent further such atrocities being committed against Syrian civilians.

“We stand firm in our condemnation of the use of chemical weapons in Eastern Ghouta. This is clearly in breach of international law.

“It is now important that these issues are returned to the United Nations multilateral processes including the Security Council,” Jacinda Ardern said.

49 Comments

  1. Gezza

     /  April 14, 2018

    That’s ok. She’s had enough sense to be careful not to unquestioningly buy into the US story without seeing their evidence.

    • Gezza

       /  April 14, 2018

      The irony of Trump lecturing other countries for backing brutal regimes that slaughter innocent people:
      Saudi Arabia – Yemen (causing mass starvation there)
      Israel – Gaza 2014
      It’s all right for the righteous.

      Anyway – that’s that, 5 minutes – back to slagging off Comey The Showboat

  2. seer

     /  April 14, 2018

    Alex Jones “losing his religion” concerning the strikes against Syria.

    A bit more open than Jacinda’s carefully crafted words. But little NZ knows we have to be careful and appear to assume the position. Though, I am reassured by Winston’s open questioning of the official MH17 narrative and his desire to have closer trading relations with Russia. The anglos shouldn’t count on much support from NZ.

    • Gezza

       /  April 14, 2018

      Just the man to have a quiet word with Sir Alan. Bring him up to speed.

      • Gezza

         /  April 14, 2018

        Jonesy, I mean not, not you #fortuneteller. 😀

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  April 14, 2018

        In a statement posted from the Russian Embassy in America’s official Twitter account, Mr Antonov warned there would be “consequences” for the attack.

        He said: “The worst apprehensions have come true. Our warnings have been left unheard. A pre-designed scenario is being implemented. Again, we are being threatened.

        “We warned that such actions will not be left without consequences. All responsibility for them rests with Washington, London and Paris.

        “Insulting the President of Russia is unacceptable and inadmissible.”

        “The US – a possessor of the biggest arsenal of chemical weapons – has no moral right to blame other countries.”

        The last sentence implicitly refutes your blithe assumption that Assad was not responsible for the chemical weapon attack as alleged.

        I suspect the President of Russia may have to get used to being insulted.

        • Gezza

           /  April 14, 2018

          “The US – a possessor of the biggest arsenal of chemical weapons – has no moral right to blame other countries.”

          The last sentence implicitly refutes your blithe assumption that Assad was not responsible for the chemical weapon attack as alleged.

          No it doesn’t.

          blame
          verb
          1. feel or declare that (someone or something) is responsible for a fault or wrong.

          How did you arrive at your incorrect conclusion above?

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  April 14, 2018

            That’s your homework. Time you learnt some logic.

            • Gezza

               /  April 14, 2018

              I accept your apology.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  April 14, 2018

              You haven’t learnt anything.

            • Gezza

               /  April 14, 2018

              I learnt when to ignore your opinion because you haven’t seen the evidence.

        • Gezza

           /  April 14, 2018

          I suspect the President of Russia may have to get used to being insulted
          Why not? Everybody else is insulted by Trumpy, sooner or later.

          He’s still a great guy, as far as Trump’s concerned. It’s not like whatever he said 5 minutes ago doesn’t mean he can say something completely different before the end of an interview if he hasn’t got a teleprompt.

          • Gezza

             /  April 14, 2018

            *doesn’t mean he can’t say
            (You knew I meant that)

        • seer

           /  April 14, 2018

          You are a bit silly Alan. That last sentence (of the Russian Embassy statement) is not logically equivalent to what you assert.

          I suspect the President of Russia is, at a personal level, rarely upset by insults directed at himself, but deals with them in an appropriate and timely manner.

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  April 14, 2018

            The Russians gave up denying Assad had them and used them and instead attacked the US for having them. Clear implication.

            • Gezza

               /  April 14, 2018

              Nonsense. Very poor logic. You are mistaking your preconception for logic and it is leading you ignore the meaning of blame. A Russian understands the word better than you. You are wrong. You just won’t admit it. So I’ll apologise to everyone for your mistake.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  April 14, 2018

              Waffle and flannel. Also crap.

            • Gezza

               /  April 14, 2018

              Glad you admit it. That’s why I’ve apologised to everyone for you.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  April 14, 2018

              Drivelling idiocy from you, Sir Gerald.

              Mrs May said all the indications were that it was a chemical weapons attack and the Government was “clear” Bashar Assad’s regime was responsible.

              She said open source material showed barrel bombs had been used and a regime helicopter had been seen over Douma on April 7.

              The PM added: “No other group could have carried out this attack.”

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  April 14, 2018

              And: Jean-Yves Le Drian, the French foreign minister, has now told BFM TV that France has “solid intelligence” that the Assad regime was behind the chemical weapons attacks and a “large part” of its chemical weapons arsenal has been destroyed, David Chazan reports from Paris.

              Asked which chemical weapons were used in the attack that prompted the strikes, Mr le Drian said chlorine was certainly used and other substances were being analysed.

            • Gezza

               /  April 14, 2018

              Yes but remember they want to attack Assad. They don’t care that it’s an Al Qaeda-affiliated group that has been holding out. These people can easily claim footage of a barrel bomb was chlorine & set it off themselves. Piss easy I should imagine. We need to see the evidence. And we need to know why the US has the right to attack another country. We already know the UK got itself into trouble last time. And the French – well, less said I reckon.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  April 14, 2018

              So you believe Assad and Putin rather than US, UK, France, Germany and Canada. Time for an attitude adjustment I think.

            • Gezza

               /  April 14, 2018

              Time you fessed up to being Trump’s Honorary Consul for the Pentagon in Russell by the sound of it. The next time you make one of your numerous claims about not judging until you’ve seen all evidence, where you don’t believe something claimed, expect a raspberry because you’ll have earned it.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  April 15, 2018

              Clear choice – five open democracies vs a couple of evil strong men. Sir Gerald loses his brain and plumps for the latter.

            • Gezza

               /  April 15, 2018

              I don’t believe any of them Sir Alan. I want to see the evidence. Why the big rush to attack before the OPCW completed its investigation?

              Chlorine gas “attacks” happen accidentally in suburban council swimming pools, it’s that easy to pull one off.

              You believe because its the US, the UK and France, who say so?
              When they are fighting Al Qaedan-types and allies, who are losing?

              I see nothing but disadvantage and threat for Assad to use chlorine gas on a civilian population in an area held by Islamic fundamentalists that his & his allies forces had already surrounded and were already reducing to rubble with conventional armaments, as the US sat by and watched Trump’s twitter storms about Comey and everyone else.

              I see that process continuing. Idlib will be next. Perhaps this attack is not really aimed at doing anything to Assad? Perhaps it’s to frighten Iran & North Korea. Who knows what the intention really is? Reports are the Israelis were urging the Pentagon attack Iranian basess attack Iranian bases.

              Theresa May “this is not an intervention in a civil war”? Cognitive dissonance, Sir Alan? It’s the old adage truth is the first casualty in war.

              I think you should concentrate on refuting AGW and supporting your orange hero & whatever he brainfarts out on twitter. I don’t want to spend today apologising for you as well.

          • seer

             /  April 14, 2018

            But if an insult, threat is directed at Russia and he has responsibility for dealing with it …

  3. Gezza

     /  April 14, 2018

    Aljaz tv. Breaking
    RUSSIA SAYS US-LED AIRSTRIKE WAS AIMED TO DESTABILISE THE REGION

    • Gezza

       /  April 14, 2018

      And
      SYRIAN ARMY SAYS IT WON’T BE INTIMIDATED
      And
      THEIR RUSSIAN ALLIES CLAIM TO HAVE SHOT DOWN MOST OF THEIR MISSILES
      And
      IRAN SAYS IT’S A CLEAR VIOLATION OF INTERNATIONAL LAWS

      • Gezza

         /  April 14, 2018

        Debate now about whether Trump has the authority to authorise this attack or whether it requires Congress’s approval.

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  April 14, 2018

          That will definitely improve Trump’s ratings. Congress job approval 13%.

          • Gezza

             /  April 14, 2018

            All I’ve seen is some of the press briefing by Mattis. He doesn’t look happy about this whole thing. Must see if I can find the whole presser on YouTube later.

            • Gezza

               /  April 14, 2018

              Quite cogent comment from some commentator on the likelihood of the that a chemical attack was done by barrel bomb dropped from a Syrian helicopter, noting chlorine is easily available everywhere, and that OPC may well find no evidence linking the regime to this or any other chemical attack.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  April 14, 2018

              He said clear evidence of chlorine use. Not sure if Sarin was used.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  April 14, 2018

              Are you trying to say that chlorine is not a chemical attack???

            • Gezza

               /  April 14, 2018

              No. Read my comment above. Do you mind if I ignore you now. More info coming in all the time but you’ve already decided to accept the US version must be right, when I’m a lot less convinced, and don’t think they have any actual international right to attack another country, & when it may be based on false intel from non-credible sources, like Iraq was. Mattis is very vague.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  April 14, 2018

              I don’t care whether you read me comments or not so long as you stop drivelling:
              https://yournz.org/2018/04/14/us-launch-missile-attack-on-syria/#comment-267868

            • Gezza

               /  April 14, 2018

              Ok, good. I won’t bother to read that it’s probably just some snide insult. You do realise nobody has seen ANY evidence from the Poms the Yanks or the Frogs yet, don’t you?

      • Gezza

         /  April 14, 2018

        Russian Defence Ministry Press Briefing being shown live now.

      • Gezza

         /  April 14, 2018

        Hopefully soon be dayllight over there and actual damage can be shown.

      • Gezza

         /  April 14, 2018

        Moscow reporter says Russian MOD says the didn’t put any of their own missiles into the air: they simply watched and the Syrian air defences shot down some of the attackers missiles.
        He noted there are several differences between what the US has said about the attack;s targets (claiming, eg that 6 (listed) airfields were also attacked) and observed that Russian MOD briefings need to be taken with a pinch of salt 😀

        • Gezza

           /  April 14, 2018

          Russian MOD also seems to be claiming the French did bugger-all?

      • Gezza

         /  April 14, 2018

        Appear Israel was pushing the US to attack Iranian bases there but Pentagon refused.

  4. PartisanZ

     /  April 14, 2018

    Bombing stockpiles of Sarin gas seems very unwise to me …

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  April 14, 2018

      Probably stored as precursor components because of short shelf life once mixed. Certainly could be an issue though.

  5. seer

     /  April 14, 2018

    Let me repeat –

    seer / April 14, 2018

    So, Gezza maybe you’ll get up to speed and realise what has really been going on in Syria.
    I suggest going beyond Al Jizza in finding the truth.

    This might help

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