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39 Comments

  1. lurcher1948

     /  April 16, 2018

    Duncan and Simon were like 2 old drinking buddies on AM this morning,agreeing with each other unlike the usual blunt questions which he NEVER LETS HER FINISH against our PM Jacinda Adern

  2. David

     /  April 16, 2018

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12025066

    Labour has so many inquiries going on that ministers are now left with “calling” for an inquiry. After 9 years twiddling their thumbs in opposition, clearly not preparing to govern, and with departments full of well paid bureaucrats do these ministers not have the skill set to sit down and work through a plan of action.
    Its quite straightforward and well known that certain immigrants have a different attitude to rules and regulations, for better or worse they just do, its fairly straightforward to allocate a few extra bucks to start doing some checking and if you get a good hit rate you keep going and make a big song and dance about it as a deterrent.

    • robertguyton

       /  April 16, 2018

      Digging up National’s buried “secrets” is going to waste a lot of the Government’s time, but it has to be done Middlemore.

      • PartisanZ

         /  April 16, 2018

        Truth to both sides of that argument …

        Inquiries can be a necessary component of ‘transparency’ and remedial action.

        They can also be a delaying tactic, as with the TWG …

        We know what NEEDS to be done about tax … Wealth or Asset Tax … but the Vested Interests are too powerful and their orchestrated Right-Wing reactionary backlash too dangerous …

        • phantom snowflake

           /  April 16, 2018

          Yet another bloody inquiry into mental health is underway. The issues with the current services are well understood by staff and service users alike; there is enough information available right now to begin to address the worst shortcomings of the mental health system. Some action is needed immediately, not next year or whenever it is that the Inquiry will release its report.

      • I think that you’ll find Middlemore Hospital buildings were not built in the last 9 years

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  April 16, 2018

          Tell Robert that. He’s like a stuck record on the subject.

  3. lurcher1948

     /  April 16, 2018

    Trumps America, its a hard road to walk when you are…black
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43776176

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  April 16, 2018

      I hadn’t seen the video, though I read the story.

      Remind me not to wait for someone in a US cafe. They were very casually dressed, but this was Starbucks, not the Ritz, and they hadn’t DONE anything..Perhaps they should have ordered coffees rather thatn waiting for the other man. They will another time !!!

      I saw a story of a black man being arrested (and let go) for walking on the road instead of the pavement….which had been dug up on his side. He was in an impossible position. He had been drinking, but wasn’t drunk, and was as mad as a wasp at being accused of illegally walking on the road when he had no option at that place.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  April 16, 2018

        Get a grip on yourself, PDT, this is blatant racism which is costing innocent people their lives.

  4. lurcher1948

     /  April 16, 2018

    More terrible racial profiling in the land of the free and brave, at least all involved got the sack
    https://www.theroot.com/applebee-s-employees-fired-after-racially-profiling-ac-1822948742

    • sorethumb

       /  April 16, 2018

      What about all the times whites get the same treatment?

      • sorethumb

         /  April 16, 2018

        The officer must have been a bit stupid as they are innocent until proven guilty and it is (only) based on an employees identification. Apparently the officer took that as a given? Were the two women known to police?

        • lurcher1948

           /  April 16, 2018

          Does it matter?????at least the cop didn’t shoot them for having bad haircuts maybe his shooting hand could have been twitching

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  April 16, 2018

            The two women would have to have been very stupid if they had dined and dashed and then gone back to the place and tried to do it again. Having proof of being somewhere else when the offence was committed seems to be no excuse. The policeman may have thought it was a big joke, but the two victims didn’t. The real thieves will be having a good laugh.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  April 16, 2018

              PDT thinks that this is all right and not thinking that it is isn’t,, I see..Nobody else seems to find it acceptable to arrest people because of their skin colour rather than because they are criminals.

  5. sorethumb

     /  April 16, 2018

    In Search of Utopia for Lobsters Like Us
    Two recent and highly influential books have both addressed a puzzling question: despite unprecedented levels of material wealth, why are so many people in the modern world still so anxious and depressed?

    For Canadian clinical psychologist / intellectual celebrity, Jordan B. Peterson, the issue lies primarily within individuals themselves. His book 12 Rules for Life argues that many people, especially young men, lack meaning, purpose and connection because they have not taken on enough personal responsibility for their own lives.

    In contrast, Johann Hari, a British journalist and author, places the fault for rising levels of depression and anxiety upon the much broader shoulders of dysfunctional modern societal norms and institutions. People are miserable, he argues in his book Lost Connections, because the dominant culture in the West emphasises ‘junk values’, fails to provide meaningful work, disconnects us from supportive communities, and cuts us off from the natural world.
    http://quillette.com/2018/04/01/search-utopia-lobsters-like-us/

    I became interested in evolutionary psychology after reading a Time Magazine article 20thC Blues
    http://www.oocities.org/athens/stage/8922/

    I would place Hari’s solution as hankering for that past village (or tribal) life. Peterson (on the other hand) is talking about living in modern industrial society where a division of labour is necessary (or we starve)

    • sorethumb

       /  April 16, 2018

      Where would Janet Frame sit in Hari’s view. She seemed to be well connected socially?

    • phantom snowflake

       /  April 16, 2018

      Great critique of Jordan Peterson re lobster dominance hierarchies etc. by Evolutionary Biologist PZ Myers:

      • Gezza

         /  April 16, 2018

        Great ending: “This man is lying to you. And if you fall for any of it, you should be embarrassed.”

      • sorethumb

         /  April 16, 2018

        As You’d expect; Backlash
        “Serotonin, social status and aggression appear to be linked in many animal species, including humans. The linkages are complex, and, for the most part, details relating the amine to the behavior remain obscure. During the past year, important advances have been made in a crustacean model system relating serotonin and aggression. The findings include the demonstration that serotonin injections will cause transient reversals in the unwillingness of subordinate animals to engage in agonistic encounters, and that at specific synaptic sites involved in activation of escape behavior, the direction of the modulation by serotonin depends on the social status of the animal.’
        https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9464985

        Wait for a competent rebuttal

        • phantom snowflake

           /  April 16, 2018

          Sorry, like you I’m incapable of “competent rebuttal.” But the idea that anything about lobsters proves anything about humans is risible.

  6. lurcher1948

     /  April 16, 2018

    This is how the right get off their rocks,so bitter being on the opposition benches, stolen from a nearby rightwing blog

    I felt it my duty to communicate with a former colleague who now works for the BBC, London.

    He is now in receipt of a detailed email concerning the commie chick and recent events involving her.

    I trust this enlightening information will be dispersed amongst his colleagues. I also enclosed tit bits that for some unknown reason our media ignores.

    Don’t worry, I also included lover boys pedigree.
    SAD REALLY

  7. lurcher1948

     /  April 16, 2018

    Its a worry to the red neck national party voters, the Maori party run the show, PM DPM candidates, the purple rinse brigade will soon say WTF,it was key,english, now its maori maori maori, NATIONAL ARE LOST AND GONE

  8. Alan Wilkinson

     /  April 16, 2018

    Killer intersection design. I had the same reaction when I saw the pic yesterday:
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12033639

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  April 16, 2018

      I have heard that it’s safer not to have zebra crossings, as they give a false sense of security to pedestrians. I have seen some that are very conspicuous, though, which seems a great idea, not that it will stop those who just step out and those who just race on through.

      • Gezza

         /  April 16, 2018

        They had our main street closed off for a month just reopened. They’ve redone two pedestrian crossings to turn them into raised platforms you have to slow right down to go over. Someone was killed on the northernmost crossing last year.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  April 16, 2018

          There are always fools who don’t slow for them, alas, and those who step out. We saw someone who had done this being put into the ambulance, dying, poor woman. (we weren’t gawping, we couldn’t help seeing)

          I remember when judder bars were installed in a street here, no signs, no markings, invisible to drivers….you can guess what happened when people (going 50) went over them. I know, because I was one of them and it stuffed my suspension. It was one of the worst frights that I have had, and the council was rightly given rockets because of this stupidity.

  9. Gezza

     /  April 16, 2018

    JAG on 1ewes saying police need to be spending more time on the road enforcing speed limits and drink driving laws Al. Not sure if that includes chasing people who flee or don’t stop. It was a Katie Bradford item – so not up to much.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  April 16, 2018

      Can’t she just close the roads? You know she wants to. It would work a treat for stopping accidents.

      • Gezza

         /  April 16, 2018

        That woman’s eyes are fanatical-looking.

        • Gezza

           /  April 16, 2018

          Possibly they’ve got a plan to put neighbourhood watch groups on to investigating burglaries and dealing with other crime in the meantime.

  10. Kitty Catkin

     /  April 16, 2018

    I have seen a sign on a newly solar panelled house that says that SolarKid NZ does solar panels for $4999, see their website – if you can. It doesn’t say just what one would get for that (on the sign) Griff may have some idea.

  11. Alan Wilkinson

     /  April 16, 2018

    If the Government wants zero road deaths then modernising our cars and roads is the way to get there:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/04/15/britains-safest-car-revealed-no-road-deaths-16-years/

  12. sorethumb

     /  April 16, 2018


    Gad Saad and Nicholas Nassim Taleb in conversation.

    In Arabic, “din” means ‘law’. In Hebrew “din” means ‘religion’.

    Slow Islamization of the West is accomplished through two simple rules: 1. Once you get in you cannot get out. 2. If any of the parents are Muslim, all the children are Muslim.

    A very slow conversion rate results in a society that, after a 1000 years, goes from 95% Christian to 95% Muslim.

    Only the Wahhabist faction of Islam is truly dangerous, says Taleb. Wahhabism drives the tolerant majority of Muslims to intolerance. Shia and other forms of Islam are not a problem.

    The same dynamic of intolerant minorities works on campuses. The social justice warriors drive universities because they are an intolerant minority.

    Having heard this, I understand better why, in the Scottish Reformation, a Scottish earl chained a bunch of extreme Calvinists to a rock and drowned them at high tide. He understood the power of intolerant minorities.

    Taleb: “Anything that does not involve costly signalling is not a religion. Gods demand sacrifices. No sacrifices: no religion.”

    One of the costly methods of signalling your Christianity – or freedom from Islam – is not eat the sacrificial meat of Islam, halal. Costly signalling is the basis of real religion, says Taleb.

  13. robertguyton

     /  April 16, 2018

    “Here, for the record, is an (incomplete) summary of the achievements of the coalition government to date.

    1. Legislation to give effect to the Families Package
    2. Extension of Paid Parental Leave
    3. Healthy Homes Guarantee Bill setting minimum standards for rentals –
    4. Ban on overseas speculators buying existing houses
    5. Fees free for post-secondary school education or training for first year from 2018
    6. Directive to Housing New Zealand stopping the sell-off of state houses
    7. Increase to Student allowances and living cost loans of $50 from 1 January 2018
    8. Beginning of work to establish the Affordable Housing Authority and KiwiBuild programme
    9. Tax Working Group – Terms of Reference announced and Chairman appointed
    10. The restart of contributions to the Super Fund
    11. Pike River Recovery Agency established
    12. Legislation to provide greater fairness in workplace – Employment Relations Act amendment announced
    13. Minimum wage to rise to $16.50 to take effect from April 2018
    14. Introduced legislation to set a child poverty reduction target and to change the Public Finance Act so the Budget reports progress on reducing child poverty
    15. Legislation to make medicinal cannabis available for people with terminal illnesses or in chronic pain
    16. Set up an inquiry into the abuse of children in state care
    17. Set up a Ministerial Inquiry in order to fix our mental health crisis
    18. Set zero carbon emissions goal and begin setting up independent Climate Commission
    19. Released an integrated transport reform plan – with greater emphasis on regional roading, road safety, public transport, rapid transit and cycling
    20. Set up a commission of inquiry into the Hit&Run allegations about the actions of NZDF in Afghanistan
    21. Putting an end to oil and gas exploration as part of NZ’s response to climate change, and signalling a further shift to renewables

    This is hardly the track record of a flustered coalition government that’s falling over its own feet in disarray.”
    Gordon Campbell.

    • sorethumb

       /  April 16, 2018

      Raising age of entitlement for super [on the way – [misleading headlines on RNZ “Nearly Half dont want to retire at 65” (is actually 30% when you seperate those who want to work from those who have to keep working].
      Doing nothing about immigration so the less skill in the workforce (who find it hard to save ) get lower wages with higher house prices for sauce.