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17 April 2018


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  1. robertguyton

     /  April 17, 2018

    swordfish 5
    17 April 2018 at 8:45 am
    “Honeymoon Over”, you say MSM ???

    Latest Colman Brunton still has Labour & Govt Bloc well up on Election result (even if down on previous CB):

    April CB vs Election

    Lab ……. L+G ……. Govt ……….. Nat …… Oppo …… Other

    + 6 ……… + 6 ……… + 4 ………….. = ………. – 1 ………… – 3

    Govt vs Oppo
    (Rounded %)

    2017 Election: … 50 vs 45 …. (5 point Gov’t lead)
    Latest CB: ………..54 vs 44 …. (10 point Gov’t lead)

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  April 17, 2018

      Fair comment, Robert. The latest poll is probably good news for the Government in that so much silliness has not been punished harder.

  2. Ray

     /  April 17, 2018

    Is it time for at the very minimum, a partial banning* of Robert Guyton, he is everywhere on this blog rushing to put out Green fires. While it is good that he seems to mostly worked through his John Key Syndrome, he still has some work to do on his general hubris.
    Now Robert is in person is a decent fellow and I would be happy to see him at my door (especially in the apple pruning season) but while I am happy to hear a different view from mine, I think he needs a rest.

    *A partial banning , just limiting him to say five comments a day.

    • sorethumb

       /  April 17, 2018

      No. It’s ping-pong time.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  April 17, 2018

      No. He needs educating so keep him coming for more.

    • lurcher1948

       /  April 17, 2018

      Virtue signalling at the taxpayers expense.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  April 17, 2018

        Five comments a century would be better. He can be very tiresome.

  3. sorethumb

     /  April 17, 2018

    Dr. Peterson, The Disruptor
    The academy is, ultimately, a guild system. Like the guild systems of old and the guild systems of skilled trades today, those who operate outside of the system buck the expectations of everybody else. There are norms about how to succeed and fail. Having dominated the traditional guild through citations, research, and years at Harvard and Toronto, Peterson moves on to disrupt the guild itself.

    By putting his lectures online, raising money via Patreon, and hosting independent lectures that anybody can attend, Peterson is unbundling the intellectual experience of the academy and removing the gatekeepers. The resentment sent his way by academics and intellectuals in the guild is much like the resentment and indignation sent the way of independent bloggers and reporters when the Internet started to displace the Mainstream Media as a source of information. //
    Peterson brings in more than $60,000/month in small donations on Patreon and his lectures reach more people than the entirety of people who have ever attended the University of Toronto, ever. If that’s improving people’s lives, what could possibly be wrong with that?

    That intellectuals resent Peterson’s success in the marketplace says more about their own relationship to value creation than it does of Peterson’s character.
    View story at

    Peterson is suffering blow back for linking serotonin in humans and lobsters with hierarchical behaviour.
    If you make the presupposition that hierarchies exist because of power, then essentially what you do is turn every hierarchy into a tyranny: “well that’s really the patriarchy”. The patriarchy is hierarchy assumed as tyranny and that’s just not true except in pathological societies.

    He points out that among chimps if an alpha chimp is a tyrant those below will gang up on him and pull him to bits.

    He now talks about competence hierarchies (think a railway in Japan)

  4. sorethumb

     /  April 17, 2018

    Jordan Peterson And China’s ‘White Left’

  5. High Flying Duck

     /  April 17, 2018

    Just to stir the pot:

  6. lurcher1948

     /  April 17, 2018

    America needs energy