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19 April 2018

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45 Comments

  1. lurcher1948

     /  April 19, 2018

    Sorry Mike Hosking I tried to give you another chance.I listened to your opening rant about Christchurch but Mike SLOW DOWN your talking,seriously you sounded like you are running an auction so of again to AM

  2. David

     /  April 19, 2018

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12035030

    This is what happens when business confidence drops 40% and you have an inept minister that is viciously anti to some paticipants in the market.
    National should cop some of this for shagging around and not going over the top of the council like they did in successfully in Christchurch. Thankfully the housing crisis ended on the day Peters chose Labour which has been just a media miracle.

    • Blazer

       /  April 19, 2018

      fuck business….driven by selfish motorvations,with no regard for the greater good of…society.The magic show of Capitalism has no boundaries and only one goal…

      • David

         /  April 19, 2018

        Well we could try socialism and live in utopia like the Venezuelans, for me I prefer access to medicine, food, toilet paper and electricity despite sitting on the worlds largest oil reserves.

        • Blazer

           /  April 19, 2018

          tired old line.Big business hates democracy,equality and a decent society,those are the…facts.

          • David

             /  April 19, 2018

            Yet here we are with aĺl 3. Fun fact Blazer big business is made up of human capital.

            • Blazer

               /  April 19, 2018

              unfunny fact,business relies on buying political influence to draft legislation it approves,and also exloits human…labour,with little regard for any damage to the environment.What a trifecta of…infamy.

            • Gezza

               /  April 19, 2018

              Business is business. There’s nothing inherently wrong with it, it’s a way of making an income and creating jobs either for oneself, like a one-man-plumber operation, or staff, if you expand.

              If your criticisms are of Big Business, or Corporates, or whatever, you should probably make that clear.

            • Blazer

               /  April 19, 2018

              @G…as stated…’.Big business hates democracy,equality and a decent society,those are the…facts.’

            • Gezza

               /  April 19, 2018

              Sure, & I noted that but then you devolved back into “business’. They’re not the same thing Blazer so you shouldn’t use one as a shorthand for the other.

            • Blazer

               /  April 19, 2018

              @G…O.K..how long to I have to wear the hat…and stand in the..corner?

            • Gezza

               /  April 19, 2018

              3 minutes.

            • Gezza

               /  April 19, 2018

              I’m not trying to be petty or pedantic, Blazer. If I recall correctly the majority of businesses in NZ are still small businesses and I don’t really see them as the kind of voracious, rapacious organisations Big Businesses often become, squeezing every possible ounce of profit out their lowly-paid employees for the benefit of rich owners & shareholders.

              As these kinds of discussions get extended I just think it pays to keep the focus well & truly on the right target. No offence was intended. I have to go out so I’ll leave it at that.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  April 19, 2018

              B wouldn’t know a fact if it bit him on the backside.

            • Gezza

               /  April 19, 2018

              Reckon he would. Reckon all of us would. After that we’d be bloody wary around facts, too.

      • Where do you think your pension comes from?

        Not a cent of it is generated by one rushing bureaucrats!

        • er my bad pen pushing

        • Blazer

           /  April 19, 2018

          yes Al…where do you think your pension comes from?So much for Ayn Rand ,personal responsibility…and moochers!

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  April 19, 2018

            My late stepfather employed 100 men in his furniture factory – provided for 100 families – and who knows how many others in other things (he owned Aakronite at one time)

            He began life as one of nine children, his mother was a widow and his father worked for the railway. I think. Of course he made a lot of money for himself, he deserved to !

  3. Missy

     /  April 19, 2018

    • David

       /  April 19, 2018

      She is having quite a good trip.

      • Gezza

         /  April 19, 2018

        Well, she’s young, female, pregnant, and friendly. People overseas like her. You don’t get man PMs with that combination.

      • Missy

         /  April 19, 2018

        yep, some more highlights.

        • Missy

           /  April 19, 2018

          oops just realised selfie sadiq just posts the same thing to his personal and official accounts!

      • lurcher1948

         /  April 19, 2018

        Its a pity the rights keyword is shes an embarrassment to New Zealand, its her hair,shoes,babybump,NOT THE EFFORT shes putting in for New Zealand,its going to be a long 9 years for national and the right

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  April 19, 2018

          She’s not that young, she’s nearly 40 !

  4. lurcher1948

     /  April 19, 2018

    NATIONALS Gerry Brownlee and the Christchurch rebuild.it seems the craps going to hit the fan and it’s going to cost heaps,Gerry its not going to look good for you.

    • sorethumb

       /  April 19, 2018

      I’ve been waiting for a definitive book on the Christchurch Earthquake. Why did so many people get EQC payouts when the next redecoration would have covered hairline cracks etc?

  5. Gezza

     /  April 19, 2018

    🙄 * should’ve said “many” PMs, but “man” works too – so what the heck. 😀

  6. sorethumb

     /  April 19, 2018

    [20:00]
    Fourthly the book offers a different account of Nzs rapid urbanisation. The usual account is that farming modernisation reduced labour demand, forceing agricultural workers to up sticks and head into town looking for work. The undercurrent in this story is that these were reluctant migrants that if given the choice would have remained on the land. Yet the evidence seeems to suggest that most workers favoured urban life. A perenial problem for NZ Labour Department was getting settlers to leave town. It continually noted that many working people prefered to be unemployed in the city than gainfully employed in the country putting this down to the desire to be close to the cultural amentities of urban life . Theaters, clubs…. In other words rurual people were not forced to go to the cities for work because work coninued to go begging in the countryside.

    [audio src="https://nzhistory.govt.nz/files/sound/hg-talks/ben-schrader.mp3" /]
    https://www.bwb.co.nz/books/big-smoke

    They’re all on the dole and smoking dope? Bill English.
    Y’know I always figured it would take a bit to drag someone from the city/town to a lonely house in a paddock.

    • Griff

       /  April 19, 2018

      One there was a clear path from farm laborer to farm owner.
      You started of small brought some calves grew them up started a herd went share milking
      brought some land and slowly built up to farm owner .
      Now it is a dead end job miles from anywhere with crap pay and no future.
      The diary industry cry’s they need workers.
      What they really need to do is pay workers market rates for what the expect from them.

      Farm Worker Salary
      https://www.payscale.com/research/NZ/Job=Farm_Worker/Salary

      The average salary for a Farm Worker is NZ$40,541 per year. Pay for this job does not change much by experience, with the most experienced earning only a bit more than the least. People in this job generally don’t have more than 20 years’ experience.

      $40,000 works out at just over minimum wage .
      yes you often get accommodation.
      50 km from some crappy little one horse town in the boondocks.
      People want more from life than cleaning up cow shite all morning then sitting at home for four hours waiting for the next shift to repeat the exercise .

  7. Missy

     /  April 19, 2018

    Not sure how many here remember flight UA811 Honolulu to Auckland back in 1989. I remember thinking how horrific it would have been to have been on the flight, and especially in the cabin where the 8 passengers were sucked out a 9th died.

    Interestingly it isn’t something I think about much when I fly, though it probably is subconsciously why I choose an aisle seat in the middle section of a plane well away from doors.

    This was brought back to me this morning when I woke up and heard about the Southwestern flight overnight, where an engine exploded breaking the window and sucking a passenger out the window. She was dragged back in, but sadly died.

    What was interesting was listening to the communications between the pilot and air traffic control, the calmness that the pilot displayed was incredible, it always amazes me how these people stay calm in these situations, I am not sure I would be able to.

    The pilot is being hailed as a hero in the US (the new ‘Sully’?), no doubt in a year or so there will be a movie about it all, made all the more ‘heroic’ by the fact the pilot was one of the first Fighter pilots in the US Navy.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/tammie-jo-shults-who-landed-crippled-southwest-plane-was-one-n866951

  8. seer

     /  April 19, 2018

    “But what about the children…?”
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/cannabis-marijuana-legalisation-harm-brain-intelligence-development-mental-health-a8311126.html
    I’d bet money, somewhere there, there are calls for further research – always a feature of papers from any academic discipline!

    • PartisanZ

       /  April 19, 2018

      I can’t find any calls for further research … Didn’t you read it?

      Looks like a case of the expected outcome …. We all knew this.

      … and the expected reaction to it …?

      • seer

         /  April 19, 2018

        No calls, in the reporting of the paper, but it wasn’t reproduced in full. I guess It is significant they did not find some other “experts” who would make that call. But another report on the results, somewhere else…?

        “… and the expected reaction to it …?” – it depends on who’s reacting. Will any prohibitionist say of them-self, “I was wrong”?

        • PartisanZ

           /  April 19, 2018

          Well … maybe the lessons of America’s prohibition era (on alcohol) demonstrate they MIGHT say “I was wrong” eventually … ?

      • PartisanZ

         /  April 19, 2018

        Pity its too late to place these findings before the ‘do nothing’ Health Select Committee currently considering Labours ‘Claytons’ Misuse of Drugs (Medicinal Cannabis) Amendment Bill … Oh ME of little faith …

    • Gezza

       /  April 19, 2018

      Harsh. Very harsh Judith. Had to smile tho. 😀

      • David

         /  April 19, 2018

        Would have been fun having her instead of Bridges but the polls might have been pretty awful.

  9. Kitty Catkin

     /  April 19, 2018

    I saw a towie’s truck today with a squashed car on the back and a less damaged one being towed behind. I am sure that they were the ones in a recent fatal accident and it was a sad and sobering sight. The crushed one was just an ordinary grey car, the other was also an ordinary car…but someone died in the grey one and whoever was in the caved in side of the other was injured.

  10. David

     /  April 19, 2018

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/103240990/new-reserve-bank-governor-adrian-orr-tells-new-zealands-banks-we-hear-you

    An area where National were useless, Wheeler was an awful governor his performance was woeful he was a terrible appointment and he was mis managed by English terribly.

  11. David

     /  April 19, 2018

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12035925

    Labour fan boy and the medias truest fan of crazy environmental impending disaster the once brilliant journalist Fallow shreds the Greens and Labour on the most ridiculous environmental policy ever proposed. A job destroying wealth killing plan that will not affect in any way the damage done by fossil fuels but a cover for the daft acceptance of a petition from a very wealthy dutch tax dodging corporate by a PM who wanted attention taken away from mass sexual assault of teenagers plied with booze by her party.

    • Blazer

       /  April 19, 2018

      Respect Fallows analysis always,but he has over egged this ..pudding.Newsprint journo’s are under pressure to keep their jobs these..days.