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  1. lurcher1948

     /  April 25, 2018

    Why does Deborah Hill Cone(that’s Cone with a e) worry me?Is it the contrasting articles between two Prime ministers partners, one obviously a hit job and the other…gushy.
    https://t.co/vIXqniDPyK

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    • admiralvonspee

       /  April 25, 2018

      One presumes it’s the same reason Marvelly and Mau went silent on the Labour Camp sexual assault despite their fist-clenching #MeToo stance.

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  2. sorethumb

     /  April 25, 2018
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  3. sorethumb

     /  April 25, 2018

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  4. sorethumb

     /  April 25, 2018

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  5. duperez

     /  April 25, 2018

    Is it all right for parents to drink alcohol in front of their children while watching tv?

    The order of the Advertising Standards Authority to the The Brewers Association to remove Eric Murray from an ad campaign took so long, the “ad’s damage had been done” according to Alcohol Healthwatch.

    So the campaign ran, kids sat at home while their parents drank a beer front of the tv and damage was being done. The campaign’s over and now people sit at home with a beer in front of the tv and damage isn’t being done? Oh, too late, the damage has already been done.

    Our immaturity around alcohol is legendary. I wonder how such childishness around Eric Murray being in a beer ad helps address that.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/celebrities/103368233/eric-murray-shouldnt-have-fronted-beer-ads-because-hes-a-hero-to-the-young

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  April 25, 2018

      A bunch of Lefty fascist f-ing morons.

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      • Gezza

         /  April 25, 2018

        😮

        No. Just people people sitting at home with a beer in front of their tv, Al.

        Some of them are probably even National voters. o_O

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      • duperez

         /  April 25, 2018

        I see the Chair of the Advertising Standards Authority is the Hon. Heather Roy. The board members are a mixed lot. I admit Roy is the only one I’ve ever heard of.

        http://www.asa.co.nz/about-us/complaints-board-ascb-members/

        I disagree with their finding. Does their decision in this case mean they’re a ‘bunch of Lefty fascist f-ing morons’ or that’s just them all the time? Or is it that when anything you don’t agree with or like happens, a default mode automatically spits out some rhetoric involving the word ‘lefty’?

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  April 25, 2018

          The complainants and those who pander to them. This decision is not atypical.

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          • Gezza

             /  April 25, 2018

            It used to be conservative bastards who moaned about broadcasting standards.

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        • PartisanZ

           /  April 25, 2018

          “”The alcohol industry believes Kiwis need to be in command of their own choices relating to alcohol, and that scary, unhelpful headlines don’t lead to more informed choice, just more blocked ears, as people tune out to the threats and “we know best” attitudes of the prohibitionists.”

          • Nick Leggett is executive director of the New Zealand Alcohol Beverage Council.

          http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12038841

          Immaturity of legendary proportions from all sides?

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  6. lurcher1948

     /  April 25, 2018

    Melania Trump seated with real humans and has a smile on her face, quality time away from the…grouper with people who she can relate to.

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  7. lurcher1948

     /  April 25, 2018

    Doesn’t Melania Trump look good on her own,not 4 steps behind STORMY DANIELS bonker, the father of Baron POTUS #45 serial bankrupter, shafter of contracters and the master of the deal AND REMEMBER PG he’s nothing in NEW ZEALAND, not our pm,just as important to us as the leader of Latvia, MELANIA looks very happy but will PG let you see it

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    • sorethumb

       /  April 25, 2018

      One common cognitive distortion is mind reading, which is assuming you know what other people think. In small doses, mind reading is a very helpful skill. We know that certain behaviors, words, and reactions can give us clues about what someone is thinking. For instance, when we tell someone something and his/her jaw drops, we automatically assume the other person is surprised. This is a kind of mind reading that is helpful in interpersonal encounters, and not an example of a cognitive distortion. However, when used too much, or without much evidence to go on, mind reading can be problematic. Take the example of someone eating alone in a cafeteria thinking everyone thinks she is a loser for eating alone. Or if you get to work a few minutes late, and you think everyone else is thinking about your tardiness. Engage in enough distorted mind reading, and you can feel pretty miserable after a while.
      http://cogbtherapy.com/cbt-blog/common-cognitive-distortions-mind-reading

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    • sorethumb

       /  April 25, 2018

      Looks to me like Melania has noticed Obama has a hard on, Michelle Obama looks miffed?

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  8. lurcher1948

     /  April 25, 2018

    Thanks PG i lost a relative today in her 90s,she climbed Mt Taranaki in her 70s im feeling down A TRUE NEW ZEALANDER, i was at her husbands funeral and he was really respected, im feeling down HINT dont prod me RIGHTIES, im down not toothlless

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  9. 2Tru

     /  April 25, 2018

    Am I alone in wondering why the media persist in referring to Catherine Windsor as Kate Middleton? Didn’t she marry Prince William a few years and take his name – assuming he has one? I am not a royalist by any stretch but for some reason it seems denigrating to keep referring to Middleton. I can live with the calling her Kate, despite the Palace requesting after the marriage that she be referred to as Catherine.

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  10. sorethumb

     /  April 25, 2018

    The sense of crisis that marks our times may be seen as a crisis for dominant groups whose once-secure hegemony is being challenged by marginalised others. It is in theorising the reply from the dominant group to the voices of the oppressed that existing Western conceptions of social change fall silent. The dominant Pakeha group in Aotearoa New Zealand has used discourses of benign colonisation and harmonious race relations to resist 165 years of communication from indigenous Maori about their oppression and a dishonoured treaty for settlement. My research documents the appearance of the Treaty of Waitangi into the Pakeha consciousness, and the now 30 year-long response by a Pakeha
    antiracism movement to educate their own cultural group about its agreements. Targeting government, community and social services organisations, activist educators used Freire’s (1975) approach of conscientising dialogue to present a more critical view of colonisation, and to encourage participants to consider the complicity of their organisations in ongoing structural and cultural racism.
    Based on my membership of local and national networks of activist educators, I was able to organise and facilitate data gathering from three sources to investigate processes of Pakeha change in: (i) unpublished material describing the antiracism and Treaty movement’s historical theorising and strategies over 30 years, (ii) a country-wide process of co-theorising among contemporary Treaty educator groups about their work and perceived influence, and (iii) a collection of organisational accounts of Treaty-focused change. The collected records
    confirmed that a coherent anti-colonial discourse, which I have termed ‘Pakeha honouring the Treaty’, was in use to construct institutional and constitutional changes in non-government organisations. My interpretation of key elements in a local theory of transforming action included emotional responses to countercultural information, collective work for cultural and institutional change and practising a mutually agreed relationship with Maori. I concluded that these emotional, collective and relationship processes in dominant group change were crucial in helping to construct the new conceptual resources of ‘affirming Maori
    authority’ and ‘striving towards a right relationship with Maori’. These countercolonial constructions allowed Pakeha a non-resistant and facilitative response to Maori challenge, and enabled a dialogue with Maori about decolonisation.
    https://researchcommons.waikato.ac.nz/bitstream/handle/10289/2589/thesis.pdf

    These nut cases want to destroy Western society because they believe Maori had it all worked out (although Catherine Delahunty talked about the Treaty as a way to have a renegotiation – of how society works)
    When Otago university have to consult Maori over research into quantum physics and Te Reo becomes non negotiable on RNZ it is time to make a stand,

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  11. sorethumb

     /  April 25, 2018

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    • sorethumb

       /  April 25, 2018

      Yet it would be fair to say the narcissistic form is currently dominant in Europe. The administrations of Hungary, Poland, Russia and Turkey — and the anti-immigration contenders in many other countries — do indeed combine these elements. That is: a glorious reading of their own history; a vision of a present society overrun by malign, polluting and external forces; and a future which restores national “Greatness”.
      …….
      Oh Bull***t
      Immigration is the issue; the left have labeled those opposing the globalist/open border project as “white supremacist”.

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      • sorethumb

         /  April 25, 2018

        In other words the left have been proactive while the nationalists are re-active.

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