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1 May 2018

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42 Comments

  1. David

     /  May 1, 2018

    I keep an eye on oil prices (UWTI has been a good earner) and its up 10% in the last 3 weeks alone which coincides with a smaller drop in the NZD and Arderns fuel tax is now ready to go.
    This is going to be a very regressive tax for poorer Aucklanders and ones that cant easily switch to public transport.

    • Blazer

       /  May 1, 2018

      as the fuel coy’s are manipulating prices,10-15c a litre rise is easily negated by shopping around.Oil is on the way up to $100,after all the talk of over supply.It could be good for…Venezuela.

      • David

         /  May 1, 2018

        Shopping around can end up costing as much as you save but I dont know Aucklands retail scene.
        I dont think we will get much past $80 and Venezuela is part of the reason for the rise because the stupid socialist have buggared the industry there again and they are pumping stuff all. Ardern is still picking the pockets of poorer Aucklanders for a project that wont really help them.

  2. David

     /  May 1, 2018

    I flew in last Friday at 9.15am and got a cab to the Sofitel which took around 30 minutes through the Waterview tunnel and couldnt help but think why do you need a tram for this, the bus was $16 and I doubt would take that much longer.
    I dont understand the rail link thing or claim to but a tram from the airport to the city is a bloody waste of money, Waterview has solved that issue and there must be far more pressing local issues..perhaps not as glamorous ones.

    • duperez

       /  May 1, 2018

      You probably remember it being said in the late 60s and 70s in Auckland when there was a certain mayor, that “we don’t need a rail links, it’s a bloody waste of money and there are far more pressing local issues.” Fortunately the naysayers had their way and you got to go out to Waterview.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  May 1, 2018

        It’s senseless and unless there’s a tram for every plane and hotel, motel and backpackers, nobody would use it. Who wants to walk across an unknown city after a long flight, towing a suitcase and looking for their hotel ?

        And as trams are a traffic hazard and their lines a deathtrap for bike wheels, this idea is insane.

        • duperez

           /  May 1, 2018

          Yep, that’s what they said of Robbie’s rapid rail.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  May 1, 2018

            (rolls eyes) Yes, spot the obvious flaw…I didn’t mention one that hadn’t occurred to me, that if they go down the middle of the street, they are a real hazard – I read this in a letter to the editor ages ago.

            Stupid Idea of the Century ?

  3. Re certain rumours that have been floating and and evolving over the past few months and have been touched on here, I have been looking in to them and have seen no evidence whatsoever that supports them. There are indications it is dirty diggings that have become rather embellished for smear purposes.

    No evidence, no details here.

    • Traveller

       /  May 1, 2018

      They’re not just rumours at all Pete

      • lurcher1948

         /  May 1, 2018

        PS there’s a rumour going around involving someone in national is looking for mice,a pumpkin and a glass slipper to get the rights popularity…up

      • phantom snowflake

         /  May 1, 2018

        I doubt that you would have accepted a personal attack on Bronagh Key as being a valid tactic in trying to bring down a National-led government.

    • duperez

       /  May 1, 2018

      Character assassination is a fine sport if you’re the cook, controller, ref and protagonist. I wonder how the cooks, controllers, refs and protagonists feel when it’s themselves or one of theirs that is the target.
      Dog eat dog human nature is alive and well.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  May 1, 2018

        ???

        • duperez

           /  May 1, 2018

          Some go through life so lacking they need to put others down. They are so unhappy in their own skin and their place in the world they desperately do anything they can to attack others.

          The clutching for a sense of superiority, no matter how transitory, is a life need which subjugates other human feelings usually described as ‘normal.’ Like empathy.

          The adages ‘do unto others what you would have them do unto you’ and ‘treat others how you want to be treated’ are little assemblages of words which they have no emotional or intellectual connection with.

          That long-winded explanation touches on personal psychological elements.

          If you want it in the vernacular of the countryside where I live, it simply means some people are nasty bastards out to cause trouble and distress.

          • Gezza

             /  May 1, 2018

            I had to give you a downtick for swearing, sorry. But I agree with that.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  May 1, 2018

            I was actually wondering what the rumours were that I seemed to have missed,

            I do know why some people need to build up their own images at the expense of other people, alas. I suppose that we have all done it at some point, but not with lasting effects. Having a sense of humour is a marvellous thing. A friend with a quirky one married the Bitch from Hell who had none at all, the poor sod.

  4. lurcher1948

     /  May 1, 2018

    Stormy goes after Trump again
    https://t.co/4MErDDDNSj

    • sorethumb

       /  May 1, 2018

      Reverse last up/down ticks

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  May 1, 2018

        You can DIY by clicking on it again until it goes the other way.

    • MaureenW

       /  May 1, 2018

      ….,,Tarnish her reputation .. Haw, haw.

  5. sorethumb

     /  May 1, 2018

    Reuters/Ipsos surveyed 65,000 young adults in 2016, and then again at the same time in 2018—and the left seems to be quickly losing ground.
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/04/30/reuters-ipsos-poll-suggests-millenials-tiring-left-democrats/

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  May 1, 2018

      That’s the US, we are NZ.

  6. sorethumb

     /  May 1, 2018

    Those who suggest an Aotearoa based on a partnership where Maori/Pakeha culture are equal overlook the fact that Pakeha (western) culture is the culture of industrial society that is capable of feeding millions whereas Maori culture nurtured about 100,000.
    In other words you can’t compare the life of hunter gatherers (with small scale agriculture) to a civilisation that involves people working in factories making bra-rings?

    • phantom snowflake

       /  May 1, 2018

      Hunting, gathering and small-scale agriculture vs. bra -rings?? You make a great argument for the superiority of Maori civilisation lol.

    • Pickled Possum

       /  May 1, 2018

      Bro when all the supermarkets close down and you can’t buy food over the counter you will find all Maori people still eating well. Would they share with you … after you have finished making bra-rings at the office. I bet you …. #Hopeso

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  May 1, 2018

        How many Maori people would be self-sufficient ?

        It’s also not something that’s exclusive to any one race.

  7. sorethumb

     /  May 1, 2018

    In EU-Wide Poll, Majority Think Migrant Integration ‘Unsuccessful’, Figure Rises to 73 Per Cent in Sweden
    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2018/04/30/eu-poll-majority-integration-unsuccessful-73-per-cent-sweden/
    [Asia NZ did same poll, however, and found the figures were 49% and 49%]

  8. sorethumb

     /  May 1, 2018

    Anti-Gay ‘Puto’ Chant Mars Los Angeles Football Club Debut at Banc of California Stadium

    This chant has a long, unfortunate pedigree in Mexican soccer. In fact, some Mexican officials have even defended the chant even as FIFA has worked to eliminate its use.

    Despite FIFA’s efforts, Mexican fans seem unwilling to stop using the chant. Last year U.S. goalkeeper Brad Guzan was subjected to the chant and last November, CBS had to use sound effects to drown out the chant during a broadcast of a game from Mexico City.
    http://www.breitbart.com/sports/2018/04/30/puto-chant-mars-los-angeles-football-club-debut-banc-california-stadium/

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  May 1, 2018

      I’m not surprised. If someone isn’t a whore, why call them one ? They wouldn’t get away with calling any women’s teams putas, putains or whores in a song at matches. Or putae if it was a Latin team.

      There was an unfortunate spoonerism at a school match when someone called for ‘three cheers for Horsham High School’ but somehow turned the school name into a spoonerism – completely by accident. Wasn’t it Ric Salizzo who said that the crowd were giving three queers for the cheen ?

  9. sorethumb

     /  May 1, 2018

    YouTuber Count Dankula Refuses to Pay ‘Gross Offence’ Fine, Donates Money to Children’s Hospital
    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2018/04/30/youtuber-count-dankula-refuses-pay-gross-offence-fine-donates-money-childrens-hospital/

    • sorethumb

       /  May 1, 2018

      Having said that it was a bad taste joke. If he had said “Hiel Hitler” it wouldn’t have been so bad.

  10. lurcher1948

     /  May 1, 2018

    ” thanks to the mindless virtual signalers running (ruining) NZ”
    What do these words mean?is it new rightwing speak

    • PartisanZ

       /  May 1, 2018

      Lurcher1948, “virtual signalers” is actually more correct in most cases than “virtue signalling”.

      And yes, it is this year’s RightWingSpeak ‘catch-cry’, to be replaced next year by “Doh!”

      • lurcher1948

         /  May 1, 2018

        I think what the right might mean next year is a violent scratch of your bum

  11. Gezza

     /  May 1, 2018

    One for the WHATEVER BECAME OF… file

    Former prime minister Bill English has been appointed to the board of Australian retail giant Wesfarmers.

    Wesfarmers owns Kmart, Target, Bunnings Warehouse, Australian supermarket chain Coles among other businesses.

    The company has a sharemarket value of A$49.5 billion (NZ$53b).

    English said he looked forward to his role as a director.

    Wesfarmers chairman Michael Chaney said English had an “outstanding record” in finance and policy development in New Zealand.

    • David

       /  May 1, 2018

      Winners, we were lucky to have them run the place through the quakes and gfc and hence their world beating polling and why Ardern looks so ordinary.

      • Gezza

         /  May 1, 2018

        Well, according to Jacinda and Grant and David and Phil and and Chris and Winston and Shane they’ve made the country a basket case shocking under-funding everywhere. Reckon Simon can claw his way to power in 2020?

  12. Gezza

     /  May 1, 2018

    “Universal basic income is a dangerous idea

    While it sounds good at first, UBI falls to bits under closer examination.

    “Some ideas are so absurd only intellectuals believe them.” Some say George Orwell uttered these words in the Forties. Others say the phrase came a decade later from Bertrand Russell, the philosopher.

    Whatever its origin, this aphorism deserves attention; for there are some ideas that, promoted as coherent and well-intentioned, are so unworkable as to be dangerous.

    The latest intellectual fancy, with academic backing, is the “universal basic income”. To support UBI is to parade one’s progressive credentials – while displaying, once again, a lack of practical understanding of how human beings really work.”

    More …

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12042412