Media watch – Wednesday

2 May 2018

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  1. duperez

     /  May 2, 2018

    “Media commentator and Public Address blogger Russell Brown said the comments
    appeared to be driven by a “troll pack” of users who were pushing the false rumour on the social media platform.”

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12043351

    • Gezza

       /  May 2, 2018

      Really looking forward to reading PDB & trav’s embarrassing backdowns just here 😎
      👇🏼👇🏼

      • Gezza

         /  May 2, 2018

        I don’t think we’ll be hearing from Gary’s mate. Or Garry. 😦

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  May 2, 2018

        Must be the Russians.

      • PDB

         /  May 2, 2018

        Again you miss the point Gezza – my interest has been in how the media (be they social or MSM) have dealt with/spread the story. On one hand were far-right (mainly twitter) groups spreading it in the stupid belief it would affect the govt, and on the other were left-wingers running pro-active interference in case the rumours were true.

        The main rumour was of no real particular interest to the general public (as I have pointed out before), and had nothing to do with Ardern or the govt.

        • PDB

           /  May 2, 2018

          And it continues…

        • PDB

           /  May 2, 2018

          • PDB

             /  May 2, 2018

            • Blazer

               /  May 2, 2018

              who is the ‘left wing feminist?Can’t be Cone-Hill who is in thick with Slater,Odgers,Lusk and…co.

            • PDB

               /  May 2, 2018

              Nah she isn’t, now a lefty that even Bradbury likes (except her attack piece on Gayford).

            • Blazer

               /  May 2, 2018

              Hill Cone in…blue.Odgers in ..red..

            • PDB

               /  May 2, 2018

              Old photo – she’s had a change of heart since then.

            • PDB

               /  May 2, 2018

              Bradbury (Dailyblog) on Hill Cone: “I was also disappointed because I had come to actually enjoy her columns because she does have some real insight at times and I’ve enjoyed that. At the height of the condemnation against her last week, part of me did ponder how the shit storm she had unleashed had impacted her and I felt some honest sadness for the corner she had painted herself into.

              We all have howlers and write things that aren’t well thought out. Her column on Clarke was one of those.

              However.

              Her latest column, which I did want to read out of a curiosity on how it had impacted her has restored my faith in her and of us a community.”

              Hardly a far right-winger then Blazer….

          • Gezza

             /  May 2, 2018

            This is why it’ll be great to see Katie & Andrea move out of political reporting and into entertainment and gossip stuff that they’re best at.

            • PDB

               /  May 2, 2018

              Bradbury is quick to blame ‘Dirty Politics’ (left-wing code for National) & the smear quickly becomes another…

              https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2018/05/02/police-formally-speak-out-against-right-wing-troll-army-dirty-politics-against-clarke-gayford/

              The point everybody seems to be missing is that a left-wing feminist writing an opinion piece in the NZ Herald was the sole person to give the stories mainstream oxygen through a cryptic article attacking Gayford for being….Gayford.

              MSM manipulation at its finest.

            • PartisanZ

               /  May 2, 2018

              Nah, they need to stay as living proof the Herald and much other MSM is definitely NOT dominated by the Left-Wing “Long March” …

              What interest have National Party stooges got in “entertainment” …

              I’ll go with Right-Wing and probably Far-Right “dirty politics” … in the generic sense … including possible infiltration of the ALCP …

              Conspiracies are much more fun!

            • PartisanZ

               /  May 2, 2018

              “They” of course, refers to Katie and Andrea in reply to Gezza.

            • Gezza

               /  May 2, 2018

              @PDB

              Well ok, marginal call but I’ll accept that. The main problem the Police Commissioner has is that trav knows he must be lying. Waiting for trav to explain this.

            • PDB

               /  May 2, 2018

              Last one for you Gezza…the real story is the hit on National.

              Neale Jones – NZ Director Hawker Britton/ former Labour Chief in staff – left wing lobby/PR firm that left NZ when Helen was assed and now back under Ardern.

            • Gezza

               /  May 2, 2018

              Fiendishly clever. So trav’s made things worse for National?

        • PDB

           /  May 2, 2018

          A good topic for PG to get his head around;

          *Social media rumor/s thrown into the mainstream by a left-wing feminist in the NZ Herald.
          *Publically denied by the left (with proof) with a concentrated effort to blame ‘dirty politics’ (lefty code for National).
          *Others on the left falsely claim direct links between the rumours & National party people, including the above statement by the NZ Director of the Labour aligned PR firm Hawker Britton.
          *Now National will have to defend themselves, Bridges already having to do so.

          • Gezza

             /  May 2, 2018

            So, your response is a rumour that Labour is behind all this?

            • PDB

               /  May 2, 2018

              My response is a few far right-wing nutters on twitter pushing rumours have somehow been magically turned by the left into a ‘right wing army’ that is being used by National to play ‘Dirty politics’.

            • Gezza

               /  May 2, 2018

              Yes, that’s what I said.

            • PDB

               /  May 2, 2018

              You were suggesting that Labour were behind the Gayford rumours which they weren’t. Using rumours to your advantage doesn’t mean you have to start them.

            • Gezza

               /  May 2, 2018

              No I was suggesting that you were suggesting it.

            • PDB

               /  May 2, 2018

              You were suggesting wrong.

            • Gezza

               /  May 2, 2018

              My response is a few far right-wing nutters on twitter pushing rumours have somehow been magically turned by the left into a ‘right wing army’ that is being used by National to play ‘Dirty politics’.

              Oh. Ok. Who did you mean by “the left” and how long will you persist in pushing this angle to attack them? I’ll diarise the end date if you have one.

            • PDB

               /  May 2, 2018

              “Who did you mean by “the left”” – Ardern would only blame ‘Dirty Politics’ in her short statement, Bradbury and Neale Jones have already blamed Dirty politics/National just to name a few thus far.

              “I’ll diarise the end date if you have one.”

              Done…….for now.

            • Gezza

               /  May 2, 2018

              Ok good. Last thing we need is more rumours.

          • Gezza

             /  May 2, 2018

            Frankly the whole thing is looking like it was cooked up by Gary and his mate to give them an excuse to abandon their wives, shift to Australia and move in together. That’s the rumour anyway.

            • duperez

               /  May 2, 2018

              When I heard Ardern say “dirty politics” I thought she was saying dirty politics not ‘Dirty Politics’.

            • Gezza

               /  May 2, 2018

              When I saw trav saying it’s not a rumour to PG I thought she was saying she had rock hard information from a source with first-hand knowledge of the facts whose integrity was unquestionable & that it was incredible we were all so stupid we didn’t know anything about it. So I’m thinking she must be thinking the Police Commissioner is out of the loop and hasn’t a clue what he’s talking about.

            • Gezza

               /  May 2, 2018

              Either that or she must be thinking she really got sucked in by some right wing trolls.

            • PDB

               /  May 2, 2018

              duperez: “When I heard Ardern say “dirty politics” I thought she was saying dirty politics not ‘Dirty Politics’.”

              You’d be one of very few thinking that: “But Ardern’s labelling of the campaign as dirty politics makes it clear where she is apportioning blame. National has baggage from the 2014 election, when author Nicky Hager’s book Dirty Politics accused the former National government of dirty tricks.”

              https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/103554796/does-the-clarke-gayford-smear-signal-a-new-low-in-politics

            • Gezza

               /  May 2, 2018

              @ duperez. Oh yes, certainly. PDB would be one of the very few thinking that Jacinda’s reference to dirty politics must obviously be code for the book Dirty Politics which is code for the National Party.

              But I think it would be a fairly safe assumption that the trolls pushing the rumour and insisting it was true would obviously be supporters of a party or parties not currently in government and that narrows it down to two parties.

            • PDB

               /  May 2, 2018

              Interesting discussion

            • Gezza

               /  May 2, 2018

              Yes. Hoots trolling & starting another rumour. He’s really not doing himself or National any favours. Neither are you.

              Have you seen trav.?

              Very much looking forward to her take on today’s events and learning more about her impeccable source if possible because if it’s a twitter account or website I’d be very keen to become a regular watcher.

            • PDB

               /  May 2, 2018

              Being a supporter of a party/far right wing and spreading unfounded rumours on the internet is a lot different than the National Party actively doing so as the people shouting ‘dirty politics’ obviously accuse. ‘Dirty Politics’ in this country since the book was released has a clear meaning -Ardern and people like Bradbury, Neale Jones etc didn’t just randomly choose the phrase.

            • Gezza

               /  May 2, 2018

              The term dirty politics has been around for so long its an utter embarrassment to read this rot you’re posting. I can only assume your antipathy towards the Labour Party has reached such an intensity it has caused you to lose all reason, and I would urge you to see a professional at the earliest opportunity if you wish to avoid a cerebral explosion.

            • PDB

               /  May 2, 2018

              So you think the left (including Ardern by dropping the commonly understood ‘Dirty Politics’ accusation) accusing National of being involved in the Gayford rumours, with no proof at all, isn’t somewhat hypocritical & ‘dirty’ in this instance?

              That isn’t ‘rumours’ that is actually what has occurred. If you actually read what I wrote about these rumours a few weeks back then you’d see I predicted that the Labour PR spin doctors would spin this story (whether true or not) in their favour.

            • Gezza

               /  May 2, 2018

              So you are accusing Labour of dirty politics?

            • Gezza

               /  May 2, 2018

              Would you like some time to think about that?

            • PDB

               /  May 2, 2018

              Gezza: “The term dirty politics has been around for so long its an utter embarrassment to read this rot you’re posting. ”

              What a joke! The only ‘rot’ is you believing that Labour & the left using the term ‘dirty politics’ is just some generic statement. How naive are you? The Stuff article I posted above clearly spells it out for those too blind to see.

            • Gezza

               /  May 2, 2018

              Do you think these social media trolls who fooled trav so completely (I think she might be a National party supporter; she certainly liked what she heard and was happy to tell us all) might have had a political objective and do you think the smear they were pushing was ok, that it wasn’t a dirty political thing to do?

            • PDB

               /  May 2, 2018

              As you don’t believe me (or the Stuff writer) I’ll leave the last word to Martyn Bradbury who also ‘randomly’ mentions the words ‘dirty politics’ & ‘National Party’ together using a ‘random’ picture of the “Dirty Politics’ book – you need to get out more.

              https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2018/05/02/of-course-the-smear-on-clarke-was-dirty-politics/

              “I’ve been working on tracking down this smear against Clarke for a couple of months. Tracing the Troll Army that was acting as an echo chamber, desperately trying to catch the people who were leaking this venom and watching who originally launched it.
              The National Party have scrambled and claimed they had nothing to do with it. Really?
              Based on the recent history of National’s role in dirty politics coupled with their bitter resentment & refusal at acknowledging they lost the election, suspecting them of being behind the rumours is perfectly reasonable.”

            • Gezza

               /  May 2, 2018

              Do you think Bomber Bradbury runs the Labour Party?
              Are you mad?
              Frankly I think you might need to stay in more until you come to your senses & stop with the malicious rumours.

            • Gezza

               /  May 2, 2018

              PS: The Stuff writer is Tracey Martin. It’s an opinion piece from someone who gave a video interview in a cafe to John Key and took her glasses off and batted her eyelashes at him for some considerable. I’m not sure she’s entirely neutral tbh.

            • Gezza

               /  May 2, 2018

              * considerable time.

              How long are you going to keep on embarrassing yourself over this?

            • Gezza

               /  May 2, 2018

              do you think the smear they were pushing was ok, that it wasn’t a dirty political thing to do?

              And you still haven’t answered this question. Why not? Do you think it wasn’t a dirty political thing to do? If so, it would be helpful for you to say so so people can see where your head is at.

            • PDB

               /  May 2, 2018

              Using Bradbury as an example I give you proof that the left in this country commonly use the slur ‘Dirty Politics’ when referring to so-called ‘underhand National Party black ops’ – hell, Blazer regularly says it as does Zedd when talking about the National party. Ardern (you know – the Labour leader) carefully chose those words to signal who she blamed – again the stuff writer clearly understood the meaning, you obviously don’t or are just mucking about & wasting my time.

              I’m done – It’s like talking to a dead pukeko.

            • Gezza

               /  May 2, 2018

              I am neither of those two gentlemen so we’ll put that aside as I don’t subscribe to all of their fantasies.

              You are done, in my opinion, but it’s because you refuse to admit this was a dirty political thing to do when everybody knows it was.

            • PDB

               /  May 3, 2018

              “do you think the smear they were pushing was ok, that it wasn’t a dirty political thing to do?”

              It wasn’t Ok. Twitter is a shithole full of smears and nonsense I don’t agree with from all sides of the political divide as are other major social media outlets. The rumours were nothing to do with politics, though these nutjobs spreading these rumours appeared to believe it would somehow affect the new govt – no doubt they wanted it to personally affect Ardern. What I don’t believe is that the National party (or ACT for that matter) are behind these people & anybody saying/ insinuating as much are no better than those nutjobs unless some proof is given.

            • Gezza

               /  May 3, 2018

              I don’t think I’ve seen anything from the Labour Party or Jacinda saying National or ACT parties are behind it.

              Have we had any avowed National Party supporters on this site insisting or implying the smear rumour was true?

            • PDB

               /  May 3, 2018

              Stuff: ““But Ardern’s labelling of the campaign as dirty politics makes it clear where she is apportioning blame.”

              Unless of course you are a …….dead pukeko.

            • Gezza

               /  May 3, 2018

              It’s gone midnight. You’re obviously overwrought. Why not stop downticking me for asking obvious questions and I can finish demolishing your argument later today?

            • Gezza

               /  May 3, 2018

              Hopefully trav will join you because I have some questions there too.

            • Gezza

               /  May 3, 2018

              Anyway. Whatever. Sweet dreams PDB. Try & get some rest.

  2. High Flying Duck

     /  May 2, 2018

    Obviously the Prime Minister has stepped in and used her influence to force the police into dropping all charges. The alternative is that is was all just a vicious rumour and that’s not really credible is it:

    “While in general we do not respond to enquiries which seek to confirm if individuals are under police investigation, on this occasion we can say that Mr Gayford is not and has not been the subject of any police inquiry, nor has he been charged in relation to any matter.”

    http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/slurs-and-lies-clarke-gayfords-name-cleared-by-police/ar-AAwBVrT?li=BBqdg4K&ocid=ientp

    • Blazer

       /  May 2, 2018

      can’t you read your own post?How could she get the Police to ‘drop’ charges…when none had been layed.!N.F.I about much these days have you…just like RO.E re banks…way off the mark.

      • High Flying Duck

         /  May 2, 2018

        If you thought my post was serious you have issues.

        • Blazer

           /  May 2, 2018

          whats the…punchline?

          • High Flying Duck

             /  May 2, 2018

            You Blazer – it’s always you.

            • Gezza

               /  May 2, 2018

              Best to use the wink emojis here for humour. Some humourless bastards don’t get it otherwise.

              Even Blazer uses one occasionally, but people sometimes miss it. If he put a blank space in before the semicolon & bracket, wordpress would do this 😉 to it & then everyone would know it was a joke.

            • High Flying Duck

               /  May 2, 2018

              I prefer deadpan Gezza. If people don’t get it, that’s fine with me. It was a fairly obvious absurdity IMHO.

            • Gezza

               /  May 2, 2018

              Up to you. Just don’t start blubbering and finger pointing when it goes over someone’s head.

            • Blazer

               /  May 2, 2018

              dead duck…more like.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  May 2, 2018

      Mr Gayford is not and has not been the subject of any police inquiry

      Whew, that’s a relief. He’s on the same basis as Trumpy then.

      • Patzcuaro

         /  May 2, 2018

        I don’t see [Deleted as a legal precaution – PG], so equating it to Trump is drawing a longbow.

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  May 2, 2018

          True, but with better financial incentives and political opponents putting up $50M to produce dirt on him it could probably be arranged.

    • duperez

       /  May 2, 2018

      Gezza, You knew I’d have to do it, eh?
      “I had to give you a downtick for swearing, sorry. But I agree with that.”

    • Patzcuaro

       /  May 2, 2018

      @ HFD mudding the waters at the very least.

  3. Blazer

     /  May 2, 2018

    Dirty politics from the Right…..business as…usual.

    • High Flying Duck

       /  May 2, 2018

      Just another stupid internet rumour – the same as Paula Bennett (just wait til that gets out – she makes Metiria look like a saint!) was subjected to, and John Key (the REAL reason he resigned…).
      It’s not left or right, it is idiots.

      • Blazer

         /  May 2, 2018

        Bennetts accuser revealed himself and she acknowledged the relationship….’that was over 30 years..ago’…she said….and then the injunction…’nothing to fear….’well you know how it…goes.

  4. Blazer

     /  May 2, 2018

    F.B.U…’Meanwhile, instead of resigning en masse, the directors seem intent on holding on for grim life. Professor Jilnaught Wong from Auckland University’s department of accounting and finance estimates that mismanagement at Fletcher may have destroyed up to $2.7 billion in wealth over the past nine years.

    Perhaps there will be a silver lining in this debacle for the rest of New Zealand. Why is it that in a country with a wall of wood we have the most expensive building supplies almost anywhere in the world?

    Perhaps it is time to review why we have developed our own building code instead of subscribing to international regulations. Was it to help domestic suppliers like Placemakers?

    If Fletcher is to become Australian-owned, let us open up our building supplies to international competition. It may not make any sense on the face of it to start importing Douglas fir, but it would be nice to get our house-building prices down to what the Aussies pay. About half of what it costs in New Zealand.

    Mitch Harris is the host of RadioLIVE’s Night Talk, airing 8pm – midnight, Monday to Thursday

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  May 2, 2018

      A friend of mine imported a container of NZ timber from Australia. It was cheaper than buying it here.

    • Griff

       /  May 2, 2018

      The cost of building in AU and NZ are nearly identical when you take into account our respective building codes.
      Au has very few earthquakes so they don’t build to the strength required by our earthquake driven standards.
      The major city’s may be slightly cheaper due to economy of scale but the difference is not significant.
      AU
      https://www.bmtqs.com.au/construction-cost-table
      NZ
      http://www.buildingguide.co.nz/planning/building-costs/

    • David

       /  May 2, 2018

      “If Fletcher is to become Australian-owned, let us open up our building supplies to international competition.”

      It is open to international competition.

  5. Zedd

     /  May 2, 2018

    Just when I thought it was NZ at the ‘back of the pack’ on Cannabis law reform.. I read that even though UK have allowed CBDs to be sold in health shops (no prescription) as could happen here with proposed reforms.. any further moves in UK are very unlikely. They have even said NO to a petition for a reeferendum !
    a few lines from press release:

    ‘Dreaming of the day when weed is legalised in the UK?
    Well, we have some bad news for you.’

    ‘The government has repeated its long-held position, saying it has no plans to legalise cannabis.’ Sorry, stoners.

    ‘While it might seem like the rest of the world is taking steps to decriminalise the Class B drug, the Home Office is standing firm.’

    ‘It slapped down an online petition that called for a referendum on cannabis before it could even hit 15,000 signatures.’

    Here is the same tired, outdated stuff we often hear too:

    ‘The Home Office said: ‘There is a substantial body of scientific and medical evidence to show that controlled drugs, such as cannabis, are harmful and can damage people’s mental and physical health, and our wider communities.’

    ‘It would not eliminate the crime committed by the illicit trade, nor would it address the harms associated with drug dependence and the misery this can cause to families and society.’

    BUT they added this other info.:

    Legalisation of cannabis

    *Uruguay was the first country to fully legalise cannabis in 2013. *

    *In Canada, cannabis is expected to become legal for recreational use
    nationwide in August or September this year.*

    *Alaska, California, Colorado, Maine, Massachusetts, Vermont, Washington
    and Washington DC have legalised cannabis for recreational use, and
    dozens of states allow it for medical use.*

    *Many other countries allow it for medical use, including Israel, Italy,
    Denmark and Finland.*

    *Germany, Italy and Australia have recently relaxed their laws and are
    seen as exciting markets within the industry.*

    *‘I think the UK is probably going to take its regulation guidance from
    Canada, like Australia has,’

    ** No mention of NZ, which is still closer to UK on this issue ! 😦

  6. Gezza

     /  May 2, 2018

    Somebody make sure trav never sees this please.
    It’d be the last straw.
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12043486