French outrage over Trump comments on Paris attack

President Trump has offended the French after making some typically bizarre comments in a speech to the National Rifle Association  in Dallas, Texas.

Trump is well known for making stupid and insensitive comments. This just adds to the list.

RNZ: French outrage after US President Trump mimics Paris attackers

What did Trump say exactly?

“Paris, France, has the toughest gun laws in the world…” he told the NRA.

“Nobody has guns in Paris, nobody, and we all remember more than 130 people, plus tremendous numbers of people that were horribly, horribly wounded. Did you notice that nobody ever talks about them?

“They were brutally killed by a small group of terrorists that had guns. They took their time and gunned them down one by one. Boom! Come over here. Boom! Come over here. Boom!

“But if one employee or just one patron had a gun, or if just one person in this room had been there with a gun, aimed at the opposite direction, the terrorists would have fled or been shot.”

The French foreign ministry…

…called for the victims’ memory to be respected.

“France expresses its firm disapproval of the comments by President Trump about the attacks of 13 November 2015 in Paris and asks for the memory of the victims to be respected,” the foreign ministry said.

François Hollande, who was French president at the time of the attacks…

…said Mr Trump’s remarks were “shameful”. They “said a lot about what he thinks of France and its values”, he added.

Manuel Valls, who was France’s prime minister in 2015…

…tweeted: “Indecent and incompetent. What more can I say?”

That may sum up Trump very well.

He also prompted responses from London after saying:

“I recently read a story that in London, which has unbelievably tough gun laws, a once very prestigious hospital, right in the middle, is like a warzone for horrible stabbing wounds,” he said. “Yes, that’s right, they don’t have guns, they have knives, and instead there’s blood all over the floors of this hospital. They say it’s as bad as a military warzone hospital.”

Trump stabbed the air several times with an imaginary knife and muttered: “Knives, knives, knives.

Guardian: Trump’s knife crime comments are ridiculous, says London surgeon

The suggestion by Donald Trump that guns are part of the solution to knife crime in London is ridiculous, a trauma surgeon in the capital has said. The US president told the National Rifle Association convention in Dallas on Friday that a “once very prestigious hospital” in London was like a “warzone”.

He appeared to be referring to reported comments by Martin Griffiths, a lead trauma surgeon at the Royal London hospital in Whitechapel, who likened the spate of stabbing victims coming through the doors to scenes in a military hospital.

Prof Karim Brohi, another surgeon at the hospital and the director of London’s major trauma system, said knife violence was a serious issue for London. “We are proud of the excellent trauma care we provide and of our violence reduction programmes,” he said in a statement on Saturday. “The Royal London hospital has cut the number of our young patients returning after further knife attacks from 45% to 1%.

“London hasn’t been used to that. They’re getting used to it. Pretty tough. We’re here today because we recognise a simple fact. The one thing that has always stood between the American people and the elimination of our second amendment rights has been conservatives in Congress willing to fight for those rights. We’re fighting.”

Charlie Falconer, a former justice secretary, said:

“Trump makes Londoners dislike him more, and the US dislike London more. Mutual dislike is not good as the UK leaves the EU. Trump gives the impression he couldn’t give a fig.”

Trump’s reception when he visits England in July was always expected to be far less receptive to him than the NRA or the staged ego stroking rallies he has in the US.

28 Comments

  1. David

     /  May 6, 2018

    “4.88 per 100000 murdered in US per annum, 0.92 per 100000 in UK. Implication UK has similar murder rate to US except knives not guns obviously false. ”

    The UK has higher rates of violence than the US, despite people being arrested for carrying potato peelers and there has been a higher murder rate this year in London than New York.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-43610936

    The UK is also about to ban mail order knives too. Zombie knives have also been banned, because a knife painted green is clearly very dangerous indeed.

    • Griff

       /  May 6, 2018

      I think looking at only one month is nothing but cherry picking.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  May 6, 2018

          My guess is that the potato peelers in question are not the standard ones we use but the metal ones with a sharp point and the blade built in. Someone could do a lot of harm with one like that.

          • David

             /  May 6, 2018

            “Someone could do a lot of harm with one like that.”

            Just check out this weapon haul…

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  May 7, 2018

              None of those is a sharp-bladed peeler, and if you look these up, you will see what I mean about the damage; they come to a very sharp point.

              People have been stabbed with sharp scissors and other tools before now, and killed with them.

              Someone I know who has been in prison told me that plastic knives can easily be turned into weapons. They are sharpened, stuck into someone and then snapped off. Having these on planes is false security. Who has ever been stabbed by a metal dinner knife ? Try even cutting yourself with one. I trod on a sharp piece of plastic and it went right in and cut me as badly as a piece of glass would have done. I was amazed to find that it wasn’t one.

            • David

               /  May 7, 2018

              Yes, this is my point. The world is full of dangerous objects.

              Banning them one by one is not a road to a safe society.

            • Gezza

               /  May 7, 2018

              Have to be a helluva freakin knife thrower with a bloody big suitcase full of incredibly heavy plastic knives to kill 58 people and injure 851 in a town where Rambos can open carry their own AR15s, wouldn’t one?

            • David

               /  May 7, 2018

              Why use knives when you can use fertilizer for a better outcome?
              Why use fertilizer, when you can kill more with a truck?

            • Gezza

               /  May 7, 2018

              Why go to all that bother when you actually want to shoot people to get your jollies, & it’s a piece of piss to pick up a half dozen semi-automatic rifles & turn them into full automatics?

            • David

               /  May 7, 2018

              For something that is a piece of piss, why has it only been done once?
              Trucks and fertilizer are far more popular.

              At what point do you achieve safety by banning things? When everything that is potentially dangerous is banned?

              How many of those deadly weapons in that photo above do you currently possess? How can anyone trust you with them?

            • Gezza

               /  May 7, 2018

              Strange question to ask. I can be trusted to use all of those for the purpose for which they were designed, with a reasonable degree of success in the majority of cases, and not as weapons to kill or maim people with.

              Do you feel best not left in a room with someone else if you have any of those?

            • David

               /  May 7, 2018

              “Strange question to ask. I can be trusted to use all of those for the purpose for which they were designed, with a reasonable degree of success in the majority of cases, and not as weapons to kill or maim people with.’

              These things are very clearly dangerous weapons according to the UK police, yet you claim you can be trusted with them?

              Next thing you will claim you should be allowed to wield a potato peeler.

            • Gezza

               /  May 7, 2018

              I might leave it here I think David. This conversation’s getting downright weird.

  2. David

     /  May 6, 2018

    “Trump’s reception when he visits England in July was always expected to be far less receptive to him than the NRA or the staged ego stroking rallies he has in the US.”

    Perhaps Obama could go and have an ego-stroking rally in the UK instead?

  3. David

     /  May 6, 2018

    ““The Royal London hospital has cut the number of our young patients returning after further knife attacks from 45% to 1%.”

    Hang on a second…45% of the patients were getting stabbed twice or more? What did they do, give them stab vests?

    • Blazer

       /  May 6, 2018

      no they died ,thats why they didn’t..return.

  4. Kitty Catkin

     /  May 6, 2018

    Trump’s insulting remarks show that he just doesn’t get it. As does the fact that he’s talking like this to the NRA. He’s still crawling around them, and I suspect that his words about stopping school shootings were just so much hot air.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  May 6, 2018

      Is Trump the first American to offend the cheese-eating surrender-monkeys?

      • Gezza

         /  May 6, 2018

        No. Eisenhower really pissed them off with his occupation currency idea.

    • David

       /  May 6, 2018

      British and French leaders have ad nauseum stated they dont want to end up like America when stumping for tighter gun laws you never saw Americans weeping in the corner over hurty words.
      If Parisians were tooled up someone would have shot the islamist in the face and saved lives.

      • Gezza

         /  May 6, 2018

        But Americans are tooled up & they still lose tons of people to mass shooters & people going postal n stuff. Trump can’t be everywhere taking them out with his own six shooter or bare hands, I know, but I don’t think everyone having guns would really help improve the situation. Hell, even Trump has mused on the idea of shooting someone to get votes – & he would get them. From white supremacists & the various sort of depraved individuals like KKK members who voted for him.

        • David

           /  May 7, 2018

          “But Americans are tooled up & they still lose tons of people to mass shooters & people going postal n stuff.”

          Sure, but to date that is a price Americans are very clearly prepared to pay.

          Americans even manage to stop French terrorists without firearms while on holiday;

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Thalys_train_attack

          “rom white supremacists & the various sort of depraved individuals like KKK members who voted for him.”

          Are those votes enough to swing the election?

      • PartisanZ

         /  May 6, 2018

        @David – “If Parisians were tooled up someone would have shot the Islamist in the face and saved lives.”

        Like Americans do at mass public and school shootings, Right?

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  May 7, 2018

        Try that when someone’s in a lorry.

  5. David

     /  May 6, 2018

    Trump again nails it, if people were allowed to carry guns the massacre in Paris would be far less is pretty much obvious and unarguable. That people in most civilized countries decide to not have guns is also unarguable, life is about choices and if there were less guns available in the US their murder rate would be much less as has been pointed out by the leaders of European countries since forever.
    Why people get bent out of shape over words just shows how pathetic they are while suffering TDS.

    • Gezza

       /  May 6, 2018

      Trump gets very bent out of shape over hurty words. Daily. Where are you going with this?

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