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6 May 2018

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  1. lurcher1948

     /  May 6, 2018

    PG, Gentleman Bastard and RC were a bit hard on you on kiwiblog GD last night.I wonder who Gentleman Bastard was under another name,i checked and hes only been posting under that nom-de-plume a very short time.

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    • Corky

       /  May 6, 2018

      The desperate and poor develop a sense for detecting weakness and a free meal.

      They have sensed Labours liberal odour waffling across the ocean. They know our PM wont have the guts to turn around refugees even if the numbers pass the quota she’s stated New Zealand will accept.

      I was told a few months back by a keyboard warrior that no one in their right mind would attempt a boat crossing to New Zealand in search of asylum. I guess that’s why they’re called ”Key Board Warriors.” They’re devoid of real world experience and desperation.

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      • PartisanZ

         /  May 6, 2018

        Think of the world’s almost exponential population growth …

        Refugees will be coming in their droves in the not-too-distant future.

        People smugglers aren’t “desperate and poor” FFS, although some poor may sense the terrible injustice of so-called ‘globalisation’?

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        • Corky

           /  May 6, 2018

          Who was talking about people smugglers? Globalisation? You may have a point. Obviously these refugees didn’t have a Nike sweat shop to provide employment. Otherwise they would have stayed home FFS.

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          • PartisanZ

             /  May 6, 2018

            That’s Right Corky … or perhaps they lived under regimes destabilized by “the invisible hand” …

            Nike would never go to a place where there was the remotest risk of full employment, would they? Hence … economic migrants and refugees …

            FFS

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          • Gezza

             /  May 6, 2018

            Well, I think they’re mainly coming from places where there are corrupt & incompetent governments or despotic regimes & religious or intertribal wars Parti.

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            • PartisanZ

               /  May 6, 2018

              Are those “religious or intertribal wars” anything like The Crusades, The Napoleonic Wars, Wars of the Roses, English Civil War, American Civil War, NZ Land Wars, the Boer War, World War One, World War Two, Korea, Vietnam and all the rest Gezza?

              Western capitalism and the economics of Inhumanity has transformed many functional pre-colonization polities – usually non-moneyed societies – into “corrupt & incompetent governments or despotic regimes” …

            • Gezza

               /  May 6, 2018

              Yes, very much. Like the pre-European wars were here in Kiwiland too. Differences of scale of course but the usual factors are always at play where humans are involved & the quest for peace is one that requires constant attention. Colonialism is just an issue of scale. Taking over other peoples lands & resources & killing & subjugating the locals has been goong on everywhere at some point or other pretty well everywhere where any one group gets larger and/or powerful and greedy enuf or insulted enuf or arrogant enuf.

            • Gezza

               /  May 6, 2018

              Or desperate enuf.

            • PartisanZ

               /  May 6, 2018

              And, of course, we being humans and no relations whatsoever to the Gods or God, it must remain so for all eternity … Hence, no need for self-improvement … Indeed, we can give over to our basest instincts …

            • Gezza

               /  May 7, 2018

              Well, no. I think we shouldn’t. And we should avoid or prevent the ascendency or introduction of anybody into our country or society or communities who do want instigate intolerance, strife, disharmony & violence. Its how we do that that’s always the problem.

      • Gezza

         /  May 6, 2018

        Noun. keyboard warrior (plural keyboard warriors) (informal, pejorative) A person who behaves aggressively and/or in an inflammatory manner in online text-based discussion media, but at the same time does not behave similarly in real life, potentially due to cowardice, introversion or shyness.

        keyboard warrior – Wiktionary

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    • sorethumb

       /  May 6, 2018

      I question the whole bicultural thingy. It reminds me of when Im painting my kitchen and figured out how to be first caller to answer question on 3ZB. You had a $50 prize or $500. I went for the biggy and got nothing (twice), although my neighbour came over and told me the answer later.

      The most extreme view is that we had no right to invade another peoples land; our being here is cognisant on agreeing to the terms (Maori version) of TOW. According to protagonist Paul Spoonley that means (as far as I can see) we divide into Maori and Pakeha (Pakeha with other ethnicities) and Maori are governed by their Iwi and Hupu leaders according to (spruced up) tikanga. Resources outside of legitimately purchased domains (remember “all the land was stolen”) belong to Maori. Maori are essentialised -Joanna Forbes becomes Mihingarangi Forbes. Maori culture is seen as on a par with Western (although Western culture evolved with/for industrial society). The invasion of the Chathams didn’t happen etc.
      ….
      I think many Maori must shake their heads (many Iwi reject Maori wards). With 50 seater buses heading for the local crab fisheries it’s jobs for the boys a ho te nae?

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      • phantom snowflake.

         /  May 6, 2018

        Your apparently deliberate and repeated butchering of Te Reo Maori is simply obnoxious and ugly. No class.

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  2. Blazer

     /  May 6, 2018

    the cost of votes…(TS)
    Party Total Party Donations Vote $ per vote
    ACT New Zealand $783,830.17 13,075 $59.95
    Conservative Party $62,027.26 6,253 $9.92
    Green Party $848,468.97 162,443 $5.22
    Internet Party $882.42 499 $1.77
    Labour Party $1,611,073.77 956,184 $1.68
    MANA $2,708.00 3,642 $0.74
    Māori Party $388,860.60 30,580 $12.72
    National Party $4,579,086.44 1,152,075 $3.97
    New Zealand People’s Party $259,985.30 1,890 $137.56
    NZ First $546,253.77 186,706 $2.93
    The Opportunities Party (TOP) $2,344,110.50 63,261 $37.0

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  May 6, 2018

      That’s a small part of the cost. The big part is the free publicity the MSM gives each and how it is proportioned and slanted.

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      • Gezza

         /  May 6, 2018

        That’s true. I have to say that in recent weeks 1ewes does seem to be giving equal sound bite time to Jacinda & Simon on most issues involving goverment actions, announcements or incidents. They get about 2 seconds each on average I would think.

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  3. lurcher1948

     /  May 6, 2018

    When it rains, it pours, terrible for the surviving children,no doubt we will expel them as been of no worth to NZ.
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/103661807/double-tragedy-for-teenage-sons-of-countdown-security-guard-killed-in-action

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  May 6, 2018

      Probably, Lurch. Labour wants to cut immigration and doesn’t want to house them.

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  4. lurcher1948

     /  May 6, 2018

    Why do we let Indians in large numbers come into New Zealand,it seems they have a strong RAPE culture,do we need a race of rapists dominating New Zealand in the future, theirs some disgusting rapes, babies for god sake
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/india-gang-rape-police-arrest-14-burnt-alive-chatra-district-jharkhand-state-a8337811.html

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  5. PartisanZ

     /  May 6, 2018

    ‘High school students call for life lessons, not just academic subjects’ – NZHeraldo

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12046020

    “And the one-size-fits-all template, given the more we know about individual learning and neurodevelopment – it would be a dream that that would change in the next 10 or 20 years.”

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    • PartisanZ

       /  May 6, 2018

      Meanwhile … we wait …

      Like a lot of things … and cannabis law reform comes to mind immediately … we shall one day say, “Why … Oh why did we wait so long?”

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  6. sorethumb

     /  May 6, 2018

    In defence of science and our Treaty: a reply to Bob Brockie
    MARGREET VISSERS
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/science/102634462/in-defence-of-science-and-our-treaty-a-reply-to-bob-brockie
    University staff in comments don’t think much of her article.

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    • PartisanZ

       /  May 6, 2018

      But her article is … totally awesome … Thanks for posting it …

      “Firstly: as a research scientist, I reject the notion that we (Western Science) have all the answers …

      Secondly: consideration of the Treaty of Waitangi has added depth and breadth to our scientific endeavours …

      Thirdly: as an academic at the University of Otago, I am proud of the progress made in recognition of the Treaty of Waitangi … ”

      You’re a double-agent like KG was, aren’t you …?

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  7. PartisanZ

     /  May 6, 2018

    ‘Big Pharma, Big Oil and Big Banks – The Definition of Terrorism’ – Wake Up World

    https://wakeup-world.com/2018/05/03/big-pharma-big-oil-and-big-banks-the-definition-of-terrorism/

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