Remarkably, torture is still being debated in the US

Fox News panel says torture while Gina Haspel was in the CIA was no big deal

‘Fox & Friends’ Host Brian Kilmeade Says Gina Haspel Should Be ‘Proud’ Of Torture Record

″Thirty-two-year career … and I think she should double-down and say, ‘I’m proud of what I accomplished ― whether it was black sites’ enhanced interrogation ― and I dare anyone to sit in my shoes and accomplish as much as I’ve done,’” co-host Brian Kilmeade said.

“Just keep in mind, whatever she did when she was in power at that point, she was doing it as a directive and it was all within the law,” co-host Steve Doocy added.

John McCain should know as well as anyone about the use of torture.

GERMANY: CIA DEPUTY GINA HASPEL MUST FACE ARREST ON TRAVELLING TO EUROPE

ECCHR’s legal intervention filed with the German Federal Public Prosecutor (Generalbundesanwalt – GBA) is aimed at securing an arrest warrant for CIA Deputy Director Gina Haspel.

The information submitted to the GBA by ECCHR on 6 June 2017 documents Haspel’s role in the torture of detainees in 2002 at a secret CIA prison in Thailand. In the dossier, ECCHR argues that Haspel oversaw the torture of detainees at the black site in 2002 and failed to do anything to stop it.

 

 

Trump says CIA pick Haspel ‘under fire because she was too tough on terror’

On Friday, as White House officials prepared Haspel for a confirmation hearing on Wednesday, aides sought additional details about her involvement in the CIA’s now-defunct program of detaining and brutally interrogating terror suspects after 9/11, a program that involved techniques widely condemned as torture.

Donald Trump has expressed support for his nominee to lead the CIA, who offered to withdraw amid concerns that a debate over the past use of interrogation techniques now classified as torture would tarnish her reputation and that of the agency.

Raj Shah, a White House spokesman, on Sunday called Haspel a highly qualified nominee. “Her nomination will not be derailed by partisan critics who side with the ACLU over the CIA on how to keep the American people safe,” he said.

 

Donald Trump defends his pick to run the CIA, Gina Haspel, after she offers to withdraw over ‘torture’ role

Mr Trump has previously indicated his support for waterboarding terror suspects, a practice which was introduced by President George W Bush and ceased over a decade ago.

Mr Bush authorised the Rendition, Detention and Interrogation Programme after the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

Mr Trump’s longstanding support for the deputy director has led to speculation that he may be considering a reintroduction of waterboarding.

January 2017: Donald Trump says he believes waterboarding works

US President Donald Trump has said he believes waterboarding works, stating “we have to fight fire with fire”.

“When they’re shooting, when they’re chopping off the heads of our people and other people, when they’re chopping off the heads of people because they happen to be a Christian in the Middle East, when Isis (IS) is doing things that nobody has ever heard of since Medieval times, would I feel strongly about waterboarding?”

“I have spoken with people at the highest level of intelligence and I asked them the question ‘Does it work? Does torture work?’ and the answer was ‘Yes, absolutely’.

In his election campaign, Mr Trump had said he might order troops to carry out waterboarding “and tougher” methods on terrorism suspects, although the next day he said he would not order the military to break international law.

But Mr Trump also said he would consult Defence Secretary James Mattis and CIA director Mike Pompeo and “if they don’t want to do it that’s fine”.

They have both indicated opposition to reintroducing the interrogation method, widely considered a form of torture.

US House of Representatives Speaker Paul Ryan, questioned on the waterboarding remarks at a news conference on Thursday, reiterated that torture was illegal.

And as usual Trump has been having his say:

However yesterday Haspel: Torture doesn’t work

President Donald Trump’s CIA nominee said Wednesday at her confirmation hearing that she doesn’t believe torture works as an interrogation technique and that her “strong moral compass” would prevent her from carrying out any presidential order she found objectionable.

Under questioning by members of the Senate Intelligence Committee, acting CIA Director Gina Haspel said she would not permit the spy agency to restart the kind of harsh detention and interrogation program it ran at black sites after Sept. 11. It was one of the darkest chapters of the CIA’s history and tainted America’s image worldwide.

Senators asked how she would respond if Trump — who has said he supports harsh interrogation techniques like waterboarding and “a hell of a lot worse” — ordered her to do something she found morally objectionable.

“I would not allow CIA to undertake activity that I thought was immoral, even if it was technically legal,” said Haspel, a 33-year veteran of the agency. “I would absolutely not permit it.”

When asked if she agrees with the president’s assertion that torture works, Haspel said: “I don’t believe that torture works.”

Could she stand up to Trump?

 

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19 Comments

  1. NOEL

     /  May 11, 2018

    Lets face it the US doesn’t become a signatory to any convention unless it can use legalese to its advantage. No torture on mainland US and detention at Guantanamo.

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  2. Alan Wilkinson

     /  May 11, 2018

    I think the US has matured a little since 9/11. Prior to that it had never suffered real threats at home unlike the European nations which had lived through the horror of real wars in their own countries. Bush and Cheney’s response to 9/11 was unbalanced and extreme in consequence. It’s failures have become evident and the US population now has a more nuanced attitude to defending itself.

    Obviously most Republicans and certainly Trump will be pleased when McCain finally dies and his fellow Arizona Senator Flake quits.

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  3. Corky

     /  May 11, 2018

    There’s nothing wrong with torture. It saves many lives. I only wish Gina had stated that during her senate grilling. She looks like an ‘electrode to the testicles’ type of gal to me.

    At 2.26.

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    • Gezza

       /  May 11, 2018

      Umm. I’d keep that quiet if that was my kind of thing, tbh.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  May 11, 2018

        The history master at my school had white hair like an old man. He shuffled like an old man. His hands were deformed like an old man’s arthritic hands, I wondered why someone so old was still teaching.

        He was not an old man. He was about 60..

        His finger and toe nails were pulled out by the Germans at Auschwitz. They then smashed his hands and feet with a sledgehammer. Somehow he survived. He was very young which must have helped, I don’t know why he wasn’t murdered unless they thought that he wouldn’t live to tell about it.

        Yes, there’s nothing wrong with torture ! It must have given Mr K’s torturers a good laugh when he screamed in agony.

        There’s footage of someone being pushed alive into a furnace in Stalin’s Russia; a high-ranking army officer. It was meant to be a lesson to others, and it was. Good thinking, what ?

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  May 11, 2018

          PDT takes my praise of torture seriously, the bloody fool.

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  4. David

     /  May 11, 2018

    McCain voted to confirm Brennan as head of the CIA despite prior being the head of counter terrorism and in charge of enhanced interrogation, he defended it and was confirmed by 50 Democrats and 13 Republicans and now these rank hypocrites are getting all sanctimonious.
    This will not play well and watch the Democrat Senators from Trump won states back her.

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  5. Kitty Catkin

     /  May 11, 2018

    I wonder that they don’t bring back the old knotted rope. Tie a rope with knots around someone’s head, loosely enough for a stick to be inserted, then twist the stick around to tighten the rope. The agony would make anyone confess to anything, I have heard. No evidence, either, just a piece of old rope that tells no tales. The Salem witch trial killed a man who wouldn’t confess by piling large rocks upon him. He still wouldn’t confess to a lie.

    The rack was effective, too.

    They knew about ‘enhanced interrogation in England in the old days, but to the best of my knowledge they called by its proper name, not a euphemism.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  May 11, 2018

      Hello, PDTs who approve of torture. How odd some people are. I have a prejudice against it, myself. I hate animal torture, too. Torture has no place in civilised (sic) places. I wonder if the PDTs would feel the same if they had their nails pulled out with pliers or their genitals bitten off by dogs who were trained to do this, or were drowned and revived over and over, or burned with napalm or something similar that leaves them scarred for life,

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