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13 May 2018

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40 Comments

  1. Gezza

     /  May 13, 2018

    My God machine’s coming along nicely, Wilkinson. >:D Just need to find & install a couple of updated drivers & test it on a stream rat. If it all works properly, you’ll be dematerialised at 7.30 am Monday morning.

    Don’t worry, as a Founding Member of the Bastard’s Association you shouldn’t feel a thing. Bastards have no feelings. Unfortunately.

    • Gezza

       /  May 13, 2018

      Bastard. 😡

      • Gezza

         /  May 13, 2018

        (No offence.) o_O

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  May 13, 2018

          Karma is deadly, Sir Gerald. Make your will before you flip the switch so we will know how to look after your pukes.

    • Gezza

       /  May 13, 2018

      Whoops – went in wrong place. 🙄 I blame the government. See below.

  2. Gezza

     /  May 13, 2018

    The “Kaores” may still have it yet, dude.

    God, that track does look awful and spoil the landscape in the pic with that article.

    Saw one of the remediation options being considered on 1ewes – planting the area out with native forest. I’ve hiked pretty all the hill & bush tracks around the Wellington Greater Region.

    Also helped cut a new track in released farmland overlooking Tawa. And then joined he Friends of Redwood Bush group to help plant it out with native shrubs and trees. It grows really quickly and actually enhances the walking tracks.

    I’ll bet the saga ends in an acceptable compromise, and is a good lesson to other folk & councils to consult with iwi before scarring another major landscape feature – which will very often be culturally significant to local hapu iwi.

    It’s a respect issue. And solutions can be discussed.

    • lurcher1948

       /  May 13, 2018

      Funny i walk a lot and have NEVER see a Maori walking.we beach walk a lot and this year have never seen a Maori walking QE2 park,they all must be at work or on a marae 🙂

      • Gezza

         /  May 13, 2018

        Had one or two Maori in my walking group from time to time (piss easy walks like QE2 park) but none in my hiking group, come to think of it. But saw some occasionally on Rimutaka Forest Park tracks. One lot among conservation workers, repairing a landslip that took out some of the track.

    • lurcher1948

       /  May 13, 2018

      How many Maori walk up that track and will some koha soothe those hurt feelings

      • Gezza

         /  May 13, 2018

        I don’t know, but I don’t think so. I don’t think they were seeking money Lurch.

        • sorethumb

           /  May 13, 2018

          status?

          • Gezza

             /  May 13, 2018

            Knight of the Noble Order Of Flaming Buttkickers
            ⚔ Sir Gerald Ormsby Battersea Bradders, DVD, PVC & MTV 🛡

            Yourself?

      • Griff

         /  May 13, 2018

        The same old same old .
        Bunch of half caste Maori trying to make themselves important because special privilege .
        Consult with Maori is short hand for give us Koha blatant extortion.

        Its a track zigzagging up a hill.
        Without out a track you can not access the land .
        It would have been bush once the track can only be seen because there is grass.

        Tell them to smeg off and worry about far more impotent things like the number of Maori killing their own children ….

        • Gezza

           /  May 13, 2018

          Fkn eejit. Hiked hills like that. Lazy bastards want an EZ walk. You white supremacist Maori-bashers are all the bloody same.

          • sorethumb

             /  May 13, 2018

            Isn’t this about Maori supremacy?

            • Gezza

               /  May 13, 2018

              Can’t see that it is. It’s about consulting with Maori before defacing a significant landform that may have cultural implications & cause insult & unrest among the natives versed in the lore, avoidable race-bashing, & the stirring up of disharmony between all the usual suspects.

              How do you arrive at this bizarre conclusion? Maori aren’t the supremacists in NZ. Pakeha are. Look at the stats.

        • Gezza

           /  May 13, 2018

          Consult with Maori is short hand for give us Koha blatant extortion

          Show me the evidence for that slur in this case. Link please.

          • Gezza

             /  May 13, 2018

            Still waiting, Mr “I base my comments on evidence !” … 😐

            • Griff

               /  May 13, 2018

              Gazza

              Ya pays koha to get a resource consent cultural values assessment.
              Same with all those fancy Pōwhiri means koha is getting exchanged .
              Ya consult with iwi you pay koha ….

              http://www.qualityplanning.org.nz/index.php/supporting-components/faq-s-on-cultural-impact-assessments#who_prepares_CIA

              It is 2018
              You can take your superstitious nonsense and shove it.
              That goes for anyone not just Maori.
              The mythical special spiritual attachment for the land that Maori claim to have is superstitious nonsense.
              The majority of Maori have nothing to do with IWI and the scams perpetrated in the name of their dead culture.

            • phantom snowflake

               /  May 13, 2018

              “…superstitious nonsense”
              A mystical/spiritual sense of connection to the land IS NOT something that can be proved or disproved by reason or logic, but it IS something that can be KNOWN when it is experienced.
              That. Is. All.

            • Gezza

               /  May 13, 2018

              Groff

              That’s not koha, that’s fees.It’s not superstition, it’s mythical & cultural significance. No one seriously believes these outcrops are real figures but we don’t lightly deface any known interesting land-forms.

              While I agree with you about religious superstitions, run a bobcat blade up the middle of a church and tell me what happens next.

              I think that track looks fkn ugly. I’ll be interested to see what comes out of this as a solution in the end.

    • sorethumb

       /  May 13, 2018

      Trademe Message board removed a post on Golriz Ghahraman – “We Kiwis”.It had 108 comments.

  3. Corky

     /  May 13, 2018

    One commentator called this ‘natural selection’. I agree. We need a similar wildlife park
    in New Zealand where every year it’s compulsory for the whole population to transverse.

    That’d be good and bad news for Labour and their band of merry coalition partners.

    The good news: social spending would drop. The bad news: so would Labour’s support.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/cheetah-family-run-video-chase-car-beekse-bergen-safari-park-a8347056.html

  4. Gezza

     /  May 13, 2018

    transverse
    adjective
    situated or extending across something.
    “a transverse beam supports the dashboard”

    synonyms: crosswise, crossways, cross, diagonal, horizontal, oblique, athwart;

    technical: transversal
    “a transverse bar”

    • PartisanZ

       /  May 13, 2018

      And, like a ‘good’ capitalist, chance can be haphazard, even flukey …

      • Corky

         /  May 13, 2018

        Glad to hear that, Parti. I thought you’d say the Lotto Wheel was rigged to favour the rich, at the expense of poor working New Zealanders who each week beseech chance to favour them and remove their ‘blighted’ lives.

        • PartisanZ

           /  May 13, 2018

          Exactly, they beseech ‘chance’, not God.

          Lotto isn’t rigged to ‘favour’ anyone, but it’s certainly rigged to “attract” the poor, as are several other forms of gambling …

  5. sorethumb

     /  May 13, 2018

    Gezza / May 13, 2018
    Can’t see that it is. It’s about consulting with Maori before defacing a significant landform that may have cultural implications & cause insult & unrest among the natives versed in the lore, avoidable race-bashing, & the stirring up of disharmony between all the usual suspects.

    How do you arrive at this bizarre conclusion? Maori aren’t the supremacists in NZ. Pakeha are. Look at the stats.
    ………..
    You remind me of Te Earthquake Hanna ORegan: “My son said say a karakia to the earthquake god. So I thought of one..”
    That was September. Three months later I waited for Santa to come down the chimney.

    • Gezza

       /  May 13, 2018

      So, your rationale for arriving at this conclusion is total bloody nonsense. Very good.
      I really wish you would see a professional as soon as possible – before you hurt yourself or others.

  6. PartisanZ

     /  May 13, 2018

    Great to see an alternative theory about the road toll expressed by Clive Matthew-Wilson …

    “An increase in crashes involving trucks and ‘middle-aged men on motorbikes’ is causing New Zealand’s road toll to spike, not speedsters, a road safety advocate says.”

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12050649

    The article elaborates about various types of “idiot” but not much about trucks …

    In 1980 trucks accounted for 12% of road fatalities. This had increased to 14% by 1990, 18% by 2000, down to 15% in 2010 and then up again to 23% of road fatalities in 2016 … (pg 5 Trucks-2017.pdf) …

    So trucks account for more road fatalities than alcohol/drugs or speed only, according to the statistics … they being 14% and 15% respectively … (pg 6 of alcohol-drugs pdf)

    The number of truck crashes has decreased but the percentage of fatalities has increased … (pg 6 Trucks) …

    https://www.transport.govt.nz/assets/Uploads/Research/Documents/Trucks-2017.pdf

    https://www.transport.govt.nz/assets/Uploads/Research/Documents/Alcohol-drugs-2017.pdf

    Matthew-Wilson recommends moving more freight by rail …

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  May 13, 2018

      Notes there have been no fatal crashes on National’s “Roads of National Significance” once built. Build proper four lane divided highways and head-on crashes are eliminated and trucks can be overtaken safely. Labour has canned that in favour of speed cameras. Typically thick.

      • PartisanZ

         /  May 13, 2018

        Correct Alan, on the minuscule percentage of NZ’s roads that even constitute RoNS to begin with, by National’s standards, and of the minuscule percentage of that minuscule percentage of roads which have been completed to RoNS standard, with median & side barriers – as opposed to the massive percentage that haven’t even been costed – there have been no truck fatalities SO FAR …

        But trucks don’t only operate on RoNS … do they …?

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  May 13, 2018

          There have been no fatalities at all on RoNS, not merely no truck fatalities.

          As a student holiday job I used to be a truck driver. I discovered that most of my time was spent loading and unloading the truck rather than driving it. I imagine that continues to be the case. To ship by train will mostly require a truck journey at either end and hence three loads and unloads rather than one. Making that cost competitive will usually be next to impossible.

          • Gezza

             /  May 13, 2018

            So … rail for specialised, bulk carriage only … logs, fuel maybe, what else?

            • Gezza

               /  May 13, 2018

              I would add that the vast bulk of cargo rail traffic passing here is container on flatbed though, so the packing and unpacking is probably only done once before uplift and on delivery, even though trucked a short distance at each end.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  May 14, 2018

              Yes, containers make more sense. Still a lot of time deficit.