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  1. Traveller

     /  May 14, 2018

    Trevor Mallard is carving out a special place in Speaker Legacy Land as quite the most pompous interventionist in Parliamentary debate. Mallard is a long term representative with a solid and well-deserved reputation for excessive, unparliamentary and career ending ( for others) behaviour. Remember:

    “Speaking of affairs”, “How’s Diane” – Don Brash

    “Half a million dollars for the family” – Collins ORAVIDA.

    He’s always been Labour’s bovver boy, their Dirty Tricks attack man.

    This is not just a case of poacher turned gamekeeper it’s a travesty and it sets the arrogant tone that exemplifies this coalition.

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    • David

       /  May 14, 2018

      His latest trick is when Bridges is making a (rare) bit of progress in holding Ardern to account he finds a way of holding up proceedings on a spurious point so she can compose herself and re group.
      It looks like National has recognized that its a futile job trying to get parliament to work while Mallard is in the chair so are putting very little effort into it. Cant blame them. On the bright side his speakership wont rescue his reputation as one of the most awful MPs ever to darken parliaments doors.

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    • Blazer

       /  May 14, 2018

      Carter was so partisan,so inconsistent that he makes Mallard look …very capable.

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      • Gezza

         /  May 14, 2018

        I find Speaker Trev highly entertaining. He seemed to have a few new good ideas when he started – but he’s lost all semblance of balance already & I would – sadly for me – have to agree with Trav’s analysis in this case. He is easily as partisan as Speaker Carter & looks to be well on the way to top even him in the blatant protection & partisanship stakes.

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      • Blazer, see you’ve still got that whataboutism disease! Along with your Key Derangement Syndrome it’s debilitating isn’t it.

        😉😉😉

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        • Blazer

           /  May 14, 2018

          I see you have a new… mallardy…along with ADS.

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          • I try to give evidence to support a position.

            whatabout, whatabout, whatabout, whatabout, whatabout, whatabout, whatabout, whatabout, whatabout, whatabout, whatabout, whatabout, whatabout, whatabout, whatabout, whatabout, whatabout, whatabout, whatabout, whatabout, whatabout, whatabout, whatabout

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      • Go to 3.50 to see pure Mallard ( as he was)

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        • Gezza

           /  May 14, 2018

          Carter demonstrated HIS incompetence & partisanship there. And listen to the cacophany from the circus that was typical of his tenure in the chair. There is, at least, nothing like that chaos when Mallard is in the chair. Even government members cop it for that crap. And Mallard will, on occasion, reflect on a comment & apologise, or reverse a ruling. Don’t think I ever saw Carter do that.

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          • Gezza

             /  May 14, 2018

            I would add, my favourite MP in the House at Question Time these days – and I haven’t always thought that highly of him – is Big Gerry Brownlee. He has adopted (may even be) a Father Of The House role & tone, has a fine wit which he demonstates diplomatically & usually to everyone’s genuine amusement, even Trev’s, & he consistently respectfully makes good, solid, reasonable points of order & suggestions nearly every time. So, respect, Big Gerry. 👍🏼

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          • My point is that Mallard is a disgrace to the Hoise and continues to be.

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            • Gezza

               /  May 14, 2018

              The downtick wanker’s busy today. It’ll probably come right off one day.

              Actually, now you’ve got me thinking about it a bit more, he’s still got wuite a way to go before he reaches Speaker Dave’s level of bluff & bluster. Carter was a pompous twat throughout his entire reign.

            • Gezza

               /  May 14, 2018

              * wuite = quite

              (am assuming Hoise = House, but lovin the sound of it. Very regal.)

  2. Gezza

     /  May 14, 2018

    I was just thinking … could Stormy Daniels be legitimately described as a trumpophiliac?

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    • That’s a very long word for a whore or Porn 🌟

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      • Gezza

         /  May 14, 2018

        To be fair, she says she’s a famous “actress”. 💃🏼

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        • No, she’s legitimately a whore. That part is admirable. Less so is that she’s now a full time commentator on CNN 🤗

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          • Gezza

             /  May 14, 2018

            Whore’s a bit strong, trav. She’s a hooker.

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            • I’m a Webster/Oxford girl myself.

            • Gezza

               /  May 14, 2018

              Actually I must admit the w word probably does have somewhat more of a broader application. Hooker has more of a connotation of streetwalking & doing it in the car or down some alley somewhere. Not on a set in front of several movie cameras.

          • Gezza

             /  May 14, 2018

            I guess, in Maori, she’d be a forray?

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      • Blazer

         /  May 14, 2018

        try…’ho’…seems popular in the U.S.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  May 14, 2018

      No, she wouldn’t, Gezza. Her remarks about his prowess were not flattering.

      She has used ‘whore’ of herself . Speak truth and shame the devil; she is a very rich and famous whore, and I would guess that she is no fool..

      I am an OED girl, myself; I see no point in using a US dictionary.

      Ho is derogatory. I think that it’s mainly used by Black Americans and sounds a bit silly when other people ape it..

      Whore is a very old word in English, vide Nell Gwynn tellng the people who were attacking her coach (thinking that it was Louise de Keroualle inside) that she was the Protestant whore.

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      • Gezza

         /  May 14, 2018

        Think I might be an ADHD boy meself.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  May 14, 2018

          You said it, no one else did….

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          • Gezza

             /  May 14, 2018

            Acronym Definition
            OED Office of Economic Development
            OED Office of Enrollment and Discipline
            OED Office of the Executive Director
            OED Oxidation Enhanced Diffusion
            OED OSIS Evolutionary Development
            OED Offer Expiration Date
            OED Ogretim Elemanlari Dernegi
            OED Operational Effectiveness Demonstration
            OED Operational Evaluation Demonstration
            OED Operational Environment Documentation
            OED Oil Energy Downstream
            OED Operations Evaluation Department
            OED Office of Entrepreneurial Development (various organizations)
            OED Olje- og Energidepartementet (Norwegian: Ministry of Petroleum and Energy)
            OED Original Effective Date (health insurance)
            OED Oxford English Dictionary
            OED Opto-Electronic Device
            OED Oracle Energy Downstream
            OED Old English Dictionary
            OED Optical Edge Device

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  May 14, 2018

              Unless it’s said as ode, which it never is, it’s an initialism. Acronyms have to be able to be pronounced as a word.

            • Gezza

               /  May 14, 2018

              Yes, I know. Quite correct. But the fastest way to check an initialism is to google a query of the letters, followed by “acronym”, and google almost instantly produces hits like the above – without quibbling or telling the user off. 👍🏼

  3. sorethumb

     /  May 14, 2018

    What is racism?
    Helen Clarke told Ian McKellen the “NZ is a deeply racist country” and that she intended to do “everything in my power to change that”
    ……….
    Can race [racism-racial prejudice?] be erased? Coalitional computation and social categorization
    Robert Kurzban†, John Tooby, and Leda Cosmides
    Center for Evolutionary Psychology,
    University of California, Santa Barbara,
    October 12, 2001
    “Previous studies have established that people encode the race of each individual they encounter, and do so via computational processes that appear to be both automatic and mandatory. If true, this conclusion would be important, because categorizing others by their race is a precondition for treating them differently according to race. Here we report experiments, using unobtrusive measures, showing that categorizing individuals by race is not inevitable, and supporting an alternative hypothesis: that encoding by race is instead a reversible by product of cognitive machinery that evolved to detect coalitional alliances. The results show that subjects encode coalitional affiliations as a normal part of person representation. More importantly, when cues of coalitional affiliation no longer track or correspond to race, subjects markedly reduce the extent to which they categorize others by race, and indeed may cease doing so entirely. Despite a lifetime’s experience of race as a predictor of social alliance, less than 4 min of exposure to an alternate social world was enough to deflate the tendency to categorize by race. These results suggest that racism may be a volatile and eradicable construct that persists only so long as it is actively maintained through being linked to parallel systems of social alliance.”
    http://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/98/26/15387.full.pdf

    The problem is in the context of globalisation of immigration and enthusiasm for high migration “it’s all that’s keeping us afloat?” queried Corin Dann to John Key) how do you convince a population that the various racial groups who arrive are our coalition members?
    How about trying to buy a house with a group of Chinese on the phone to the Godfather in China or people in the tourist industry trying to get their English speaking clients into hotels? What about the contested territory of identity with Kiwis such as Golriz and Ali?

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    • Gezza

       /  May 14, 2018

      TL;DR. Also no spaces between paras.

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    • sorethumb

       /  May 14, 2018

      too lazy; too challenging?
      It says we evolved to detect race sex and age to asses whether and to what degree people are coalition members (furthering our survival in a competitive world).
      But if we learn (convince ourselves) that a person of a different race is a coalition member race takes on a different meaning. The question is how is that possible when there is evidence of competition but not of benefit (other than (say) a study by the Business Round Table.

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      • Gezza

         /  May 14, 2018

        Much better. Much shorter. 👍🏼

        Totally baffles me.

        Wish I hadn’t read it. 😶

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        • sorethumb

           /  May 14, 2018

          The question is: what is racism?
          According to Susan Devoy if you are a Trump supporter you are racist. Trump wants a wall to keep the Mexicans out. etc
          Basically the government allow a broad definition equal to “opposes immigration from countries where people are of a different race and have a different culture” (opposes multiculturalism).Governments don’t reflect the will of the people; they represent power , resources and access to media.

          We now have such a large block of immigrant voters that (essentially ) we have seen a coup from above.

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          • Gezza

             /  May 14, 2018

            Ok, you’re slowly working your way to saying something sensible.

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  4. sorethumb

     /  May 14, 2018

    Stormy Daniels vs Chappaquiddick

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  5. lurcher1948

     /  May 14, 2018

    From a nearby rightwing blog
    Anyone see Cindy in the press briefing room last night? She’s had her teeth whitened again. This is an obsessive compulsive disorder, a derangement. Her teeth don’t even fit her head. It’ll soon be like when Ross on Friends over bleached his teeth and they glowed in the dark. Good gosh.
    the nasty runs deep

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  6. lurcher1948

     /  May 14, 2018

    And some kind person put a series of pictures of Simon Bridges up elsewhere in their admiration of him, you are the man Simon till “CRUSHER” “CRUSHES YOU”
    Simon Bridges in all his glory
    https://www.shutterstock.com/search/funny+donkey

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  7. Alan Wilkinson

     /  May 14, 2018

    You’re till here, Sir Gerald. I take it your God project didn’t work out so well or you are still looking for batteries?

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    • Gezza

       /  May 14, 2018

      Nope. Been away for hours. Just lunching on a boysenberry trumpet now.

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  8. lurcher1948

     /  May 14, 2018

    At 11.10 HDPA is shocked and concerned that our PM Jacinda Ardern mentioned trumps orange shade(TRUE) and the most grievous sin,meet Mrs Clinton as this gets back to the cry baby POTUS#45, MS HDPA is a Herald shrill and a mediocre NZME talk back host, she is SO RIGHTWING her face slopes that way.and this is a true fact

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  9. lurcher1948

     /  May 14, 2018

    At 11.40 after talking to a RABID rightwinger called David who rings up the more rightwing NZME ZB hosts how we should all of us respect trump POTUS#45,HDPA probably looking over her shoulder at her replacement, said NZ doesn’t respect trump,well HDPA respect is earned and i wouldn’t cross the road to piss on him if he was lying there in the gutter on fire

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    • David

       /  May 14, 2018

      “i wouldn’t cross the road to piss on him if he was lying there in the gutter on fire”

      This is just telling us you’re all talk and no action….

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  10. lurcher1948

     /  May 14, 2018

    Simon this is why you are the tempory leader of the opposition, trickle down PIFF
    http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/05/trickle-down-economics-still-works-simon-bridges.html

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  11. Alan Wilkinson

     /  May 14, 2018

    Hard to see why this went to trial. An arsehole finally met his comeuppance:
    https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/103874453/trial-begins-for-young-man-charged-with-murdering-his-father

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  May 14, 2018

      It has to. It has to be proved, or anyone could say that the dead person deserved it, My guess is that the son will be discharged without conviction or something similar,

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  May 14, 2018

        No, the Crown Law Office makes the decision re prosecution based on the evidence. Unsupported allegations would not be an escape route.

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  12. Gezza

     /  May 14, 2018

    The Case For Maori Wards

    “As someone who experienced a local government representation review I can honestly say I came to realise my bias and my privilege, I was simply born into a majority who can so easily ignore the view of the indigenous minority, and in doing so we all lose.

    I discovered a whole Māori world I didn’t know about, a world so different to mine. And the more I was engaging the richer I became, isn’t working together as treaty partners the New Zealand we dream of.

    – Andrew Judd is the former mayor of New Plymouth.”

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/103877750/the-case-for-mori-wards

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  13. High Flying Duck

     /  May 14, 2018

    National are copping a lot of blame for the housing crisis…this graph suggests they inherited a problem and were well on their way to fixing it at the last election.
    The Building Act 2004 passed by the Clark Labour Govt. put massive brakes on all construction.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  May 14, 2018

      Yes, our building act like the RMA is a bureaucratic disaster foisted on the country by political idiots. We need our own Trump to take an axe to regulation.

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      • Gezza

         /  May 14, 2018

        You should put yourself up for election in 2020 then, Sir Alan?

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    • Blazer

       /  May 14, 2018

      so the rest of the western world was directly affected by the Bldg Act 2004!!Well fuck a duck,who would’ve thought!Open slather foreign buyers compliments of Q.E is the root..cause.

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      • Gezza

         /  May 14, 2018

        Had to downtick for swearing I’m afraid.

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      • High Flying Duck

         /  May 15, 2018

        Did building consents plummet around the world in 2004?
        The graph quite clearly shows the consent numbers fell off a cliff during the Clark government and have been recovering over the full National term in office.
        It was the lack of building along with increased immigration that led to the housing shortage.

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        • Blazer

           /  May 15, 2018

          so an average Auckland house now selling for $imil+ is caused partly by the huge increase in immigration,overseen by Govt’s who didn’t want NZ’ers to become tenants in their own country!
          The unleashing of millions of new millionaires with chinese sounding surnames,that targeted western seaboard cities for investing their burgeoning profits ,had nothing to do with it.?
          Q.E was responsible for injecting trillions into the market,and investors know the only store of real value that allows for inflation is…property.

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          • High Flying Duck

             /  May 15, 2018

            You’re fighting a different fight there Blazer.

            Part of the problem is housing supply – remember Kiwibuild? – it was a Labour flagship policy until about 5 minutes ago when they said they couldn’t do it after all.

            National were pilloried for the lack of supply of housing. I was pointing out where the lack of supply came from.

            As an aside, the new rules made building houses far more expensive as well ,so the cost of new builds skyrocketed at that time also.

            Now back to arguing about a completely different thing,,,

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  14. lurcher1948

     /  May 14, 2018

    Meghan the secret to a looong marriage is don’t piss the royals off and ALWAYS wear your seatbelt,

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  15. lurcher1948

     /  May 14, 2018

    There something sick about Muslim suicide bombers using their kids as living bombs did Allah put this in the Koran???just wondering…who knows

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    • Gezza

       /  May 14, 2018

      Some say yes, others say no. It’s like the Bible. Full of bs & contradictions. But Jesus was a peaceful wandering bludger who supposedly preached generally fairly consistent messages of love & peace, wheras Muhammad was a primitive warlord who executed & sometimes tortured his enemies.

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  16. Gezza

     /  May 14, 2018

    Simon just mentioned, on 1ewes, that 1 will be showing the Royal Wedding live on Saturday morning.

    Be there, or be square. 🐻 =^-^+

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    • Gezza

       /  May 14, 2018

      Drat. 🐻 🐱

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  May 14, 2018

        I can think of few things I’d rather less watch,

        Her relations will lower the tone, it’s hard to imagine them anywhere near a royal wedding. Prince Harry must be infatuated to even consider marrying into those peasants; they make the Roseannes look like aristocrats. . Imagine it. They’ll be cashing in on the connection, selling their story and calling her a princess when she won’t be one.

        The souvenirs have reached a new low of tackiness and vulgarity,

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        • Gezza

           /  May 14, 2018

          Nearly downticked you for snobbishness, but you’re a much loved aunti to Pickles & Jojo – so I’m letting you off with a warning. 😠

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  May 15, 2018

            Musical condoms in a box with the engaged couple’s picture on the box are surely vulgar enough for even the PDTs to regard them as appalling bad taste, and the dolls look cheap and nasty and are obviously $2 generic ones dressed up in cheap material, They don’t look anything like the real people.

            The father faking the measuring photos and others is about as crass an action as one could find. Selling his daughter’s wedding,forsooth.

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  17. Kitty Catkin

     /  May 14, 2018

    Penny Bright can’t possibly think that stress causes cancer. If she has ovarian cancer, she deserves sympathy, but to cash in on it is an obvious attempt at a guilt trip.

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    • Gezza

       /  May 14, 2018

      Can you explain to me why you make such a virtuous song & dance on here any time you see a report of a black person being insulted or mistreated by Pakehas in America, & yet you constantly pass up no opportunity to shit on the indigenous brown people of my, your, & their Kiwiland?

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