‘Game changer’ opening of US embassy in Jerusalem

As promised by Donald trump the US has moved their Israeli embassy to Jerusalem. This is being celebrated by Israelis and by some in the US, and Guatemala, Paraguay and Honduras are expected to follow suit, but Palestinians see it as provocative and an attack on their sovereignty  and violent protests have erupted. This is a predictable immediate outcome, something the US should have known would happen – perhaps it is what Trump and his administration, and the Israelis, wanted.

Reuters: Israeli forces kill dozens in Gaza as U.S. Embassy opens in Jerusalem

Israeli troops shot dead dozens of Palestinian protesters on the Gaza border on Monday as the United States opened its embassy to Israel in Jerusalem, a move that has fueled Palestinian anger and drawn foreign criticism for undermining peace efforts.

It was the bloodiest single day for Palestinians since the Gaza conflict in 2014. Palestinian Health Ministry officials said 52 protesters were killed and more than 2,200 injured either by live gunfire, tear gas or other means.

The bloodshed drew calls for restraint from some countries including France and Britain, and stronger criticism from others, with Turkey calling it “a massacre”.

The Israeli military said it was responding to violence from the protesters to defend Israel’s border.

In contrast to the scenes in Gaza, Israeli dignitaries and guests attended a ceremony in Jerusalem to open the U.S. Embassy following its relocation from Tel Aviv.

The move fulfilled a pledge by U.S. President Donald Trump, who in December recognized the holy city as the Israeli capital.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu thanked Trump for “having the courage to keep your promises”.

“What a glorious day for Israel,” Netanyahu said in a speech. “We are in Jerusalem and we are here to stay.”

It doesn’t look very glorious in Gaza.

Also from Reuters:

Significantly Trump’s daughter and son-in-law are

Kushner and the Trumps will have known that their actions would provoke violence.

LA Times looks at Israeli celebrations: On the eve of the opening of the U.S. Embassy in Jerusalem, Israel celebrates

“The truth is that not only has Jerusalem been the capital of the Jewish people for millennia and of our state for decades, but the truth is that under any peace deal Jerusalem will remain Israel’s capital,” Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu announced from a stage bedecked with American and Israeli flags at a gala held in the courtyard of the Israeli Foreign Ministry.

He expressed gratitude to President Trump for the decision to move the embassy from Tel Aviv. For decades, Netanyahu has exhorted the world to recognize and accept Israel as it is — with its capital, its parliament, its Supreme Court and its ministries in Jerusalem.

The ceremony Monday officially opening the embassy is expected to draw about 800 dignitaries, including U.S. Deputy Secretary of State John Sullivan, the president’s daughter Ivanka Trump and her husband, Jared Kushner.

But they also points out that the US move is not widely supported.

The European Union, however, has criticized the new American position as an impediment to peace, and four European ambassadors attended the festivities.

The Palestinian Authority government, which has boycotted all contact with American officials since Trump announced the embassy move in December, issued a a statement saying the relocation signified a U.S. endorsement of “Israel’s policies and measures that undermine Palestinians’ fundamental rights.”

The Palestinians claim East Jerusalem as the capital of a future state.

The Israeli celebrations coincided with Jerusalem Day, in which residents enjoyed a day off to honor the anniversary of the 1967 reunification of the city by Israeli forces that captured East Jerusalem from the Jordanian army.

Choosing that as the day to celebrate the US move could also be seen as a pointed snub to the Palestinians.

Lindsey Graham, Republican senator from South Carolina, is leading a congressional delegation to the embassy dedication.

“Everybody has a claim to Jerusalem, from a religious point of view,” he said. “But I think the premier claim comes from the Jewish people, that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel, and it could one day be the capital of the independent Palestinian state.”

That sounds confusing. He seems to be implying a split city, but saying that “the premier claim comes from the Jewish people” is unlikely to satisfy non-Jews and is unlikely to pacify the anger.

The Jerusalem Post unsurprisingly applauds the move: GAME CHANGER

Instead of staying away from the embassy opening, all those who truly seek peace should see this as the start of a new era in the ancient city.

The opening of the US Embassy in Jerusalem justifiably is being called a “game changer” and “historic.” Seventy years after the State of Israel was born and 51 years after the reunification of the capital, the US, the only world superpower, is not only recognizing Jerusalem’s integral importance to Israel, the Jewish state, but acting on that recognition.

This sends out several important messages, not least of which is the importance of not giving in to terror.

Some people have voiced opposition to the move on the grounds that it might give rise to a wave of Palestinian or Islamist terrorism in Israel or against Jewish or American targets abroad. Had US President Donald Trump accepted this line of thought, it would have only encouraged and rewarded terrorism instead of diplomacy.

There doesn’t seem to have been a lot of diplomacy involved in the US embassy move, apart from between the US and Israel.

The US Embassy move rights an historic wrong and makes clear the terms of any future peace process between Israel and the Palestinians. It removes from the agenda the question of Israel’s status regarding Jerusalem, which houses its parliament, Supreme Court, President’s Residence, almost all government ministries and, of course, the Jewish holy sites.

It makes it clear that Israel remains uncompromising and peace will only happen on their terms – which suppressses the rights of the Palestinians.

The move is a game-changer not least because Trump’s opening of the embassy in Jerusalem unequivocally tells the Palestinians that Israel is here to stay and that Jerusalem, at least west Jerusalem, is and will remain its capital. As The Jerusalem Post‘s Michael Wilner reported yesterday, senior Trump administration officials said Palestinian resistance to America’s opening of an embassy in Jerusalem is based on a “fantasy” unhelpful to their cause: the fantasy of having veto power over the fate of the storied capital.

But the Palestinians have no real power. As long as Israel maintains military control the Palestinians are likely to feel oppressed. Terrorism is terrible, but for a substantially weaker side it can be seen as the only option when the powerful ride roughshod over their rights.

The embassy move may well be a game changer, but it is a protracted and often violent game, and there is a real risk that the change will be no less ugly than it has been.

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  1. Provoke and blame.

    Palestinian violence can’t be condoned at all, but it is something that would have been easily anticipated, as would the Israeli response.

    Perhaps it was the intended outcome. Trump and Kushner are using Israel to look tough and to promote their personal agendas.

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    • David

       /  May 15, 2018

      “Perhaps it was the intended outcome. Trump and Kushner are using Israel to look tough and to promote their personal agendas.”

      Or maybe it was just Trump doing what every US president for decades has promised to do?

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      • Promised what? Side with Israel, provide them with military might, supply Sauda Arabia with military might, and provoke the Palestinians and allied countries?

        Both sides are at fault, and this is likely to inflame rather than work towards peace.

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        • David

           /  May 15, 2018

          In fairness he campaigned on moving the embassy and the US has a right to put its embassy wherever it wants. If the Palestinians actually sat down to negotiate a peace deal and removing the embassy was a condition for a deal I have no doubt the US would happily move it again.

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          • Gezza

             /  May 15, 2018

            No they won’t. They’d infuriate the Jewish lobby & fundamentalist Christians who dominate their lawmakers & tbey’d get slaughtered in the next US Presidential & Congressional elections.

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    • Gezza

       /  May 15, 2018

      Bibi has known little Jared Kushner ever since he was a wee boy. Ivanka & Trump have been pushovers.

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      • Gezza

         /  May 15, 2018

        They allowed some real weirdo hateful Southern fundamentalist anti-gay, anti-islamic, tv preacher to give a speech praising the devision at the opening. Aljaz showed him ranting on tv in the US about how gays are an abomination to God, & how wrong it is you can get prevented from saying that. Next he was ranting about how you can’t say all other religions are wrong. But Islam is Wrong! And The Jews are wrong: they won’t be saved & enter heaven unless they accept & believe Christianity.

        So, obviously the Israeli organiser didn’t have a clue who they allowed to make speeches there. The fundies all believe when the Jews have returned to Israel and rebuild the Temple, Jesus will return in Glory in the sky & all the Jews will accept him this time as the Messiah.

        Guess you can sometimes tell a man by the company they keep.

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    • High Flying Duck

       /  May 15, 2018

      Well if Baldrick says so…perhaps he has a cunning plan?

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  2. David

     /  May 15, 2018

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5725195/US-set-deeply-controversial-Jerusalem-embassy-move.html

    Daily Mail have great photos of the goings on, however with 2400 injured and 51 dead according to them none of the people on stretchers seem to have a drop of blood on them aside from one poor chap who has a cut on his foot. I hope this isnt a staged photo shoot just to spare us the horror of thousands bloodied and injured as we should be able to see.

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    • David

       /  May 15, 2018

      Telling that there is not even a rummer in the rest of the middle east.

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  3. Disingenuous.

    They certainly have some responsibility, but I don’t think they killed themselves. Nor did they take over their own land and subjugate themselves, or wall themselves in, or give up their land for Israeli settlements….

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  4. Blazer

     /  May 15, 2018

    minor altercation on the Gazza border…. 100’s killed,thousands wounded including women and children.No Israeli casualties…caused by Hamas according to Bobo.

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    • Gezza

       /  May 15, 2018

      More on this in World Watch.

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    • Corky

       /  May 15, 2018

      Geez, I wonder why all these Palestinians have been killed , Blazer? Great publicity for Hamas. Nothing like dead woman and children protesters to stir liberal blood. You forgot to mention some of those protesters were hard-line terrorists. Of course, if they broke through the Israeli border, I’m in no doubt they would want a cuppa and talk peace with the nearest Jew they came upon. As usual many countries around the world are condemning Trump and Israel. That’s understandable. They aren’t used to an American President who doesn’t dribble bullshit and do what he promised. I have no problem with the present situation. There can be no peace with Palestine…so why wait?

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  5. alloytoo

     /  May 15, 2018

    “It makes it clear that Israel remains uncompromising and peace will only happen on their terms – which suppressses the rights of the Palestinians.”

    Israel has made considerable concessions in the past and in each instance they have been either rebuffed or abused.

    The Palestinians are proxies for the rest of the Arab world’s war against Israel. They oppress themselves by acceding to this.

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    • Gezza

       /  May 15, 2018

      When Israel makes an offer which includes allowing the descendants of the enforced diaspora to return to Palestine – in the same way they welcome & encourage immigration by Jews from everywhere (possibly except African Jews from Africa) – they will have made a genuine offer. They consistently refuse.

      Meantime they are ring fencing & ghettoising Palestinians & blaming them for the resultant strife & misery & frustration & lashing out of young people who know Israelis only as violent oppressors, & which situation has actually allowed extremist Hamas to seize control of Gaza & exacerbate religious hatred.

      Now the Israelis have started executing them – at the fence which delimits where their parents & grandparents were forced out of their lands, that Israel, stole & where they were driven into Gaza. The world has stopped looking. Comparisons with Warsaw & the Nazis are no longer inappropriate. They must be drawn.

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      • High Flying Duck

         /  May 15, 2018

        Israel stole nothing – they were given the land under a mandate, and extended it only when attacked by Jordan and Egypt, both of which countries are moving towards normalised relations with Israel.
        None of the neighbouring countries have made any effort to help or take in Palestinians. Egypt has been forced to bomb terrorist tunnels and take military action against Palestinians as well.
        The common denominator in the inciting of violence and lack of willingness to concede is on one side, and it is not Israel.

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        • Blazer

           /  May 15, 2018

          ‘ they were given the land under a mandate, ‘…by whom and with what authority?

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          • High Flying Duck

             /  May 15, 2018

            It was under the British mandate, sanctioned by the UN.
            You can take your pick as to who controlled the land over the years – it changed frequently and was not heavily populated as it was arid and unproductive until Israel was formed.
            Britain took over from the Ottomans, when they were defeated in WW1. There was no nation state there until Israel.

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            • Blazer

               /  May 15, 2018

              ‘Between 1896 and 1948, hundreds of thousands of Jews resettled from Europe to what was then British-controlled Palestine, including large numbers forced out of Europe during the Holocaust.’

              Uri Shtand-‘
              Israel, although small, has a great variance of climate, and soil.

              You have arid areas (the Negev) and fertile areas. However – with enough care, everything can be cultivated.’

              ‘The Med, the Red, and the Dead – and of course the Sea of Galilee: Israel’s four seas offer a wide variety of pleasures and experiences.’

              Palestine/Israel sounds like a country with plenty of natural resources.

          • Blazer

             /  May 15, 2018

            ‘Between 1922 and 1948 the land was legally and officially under the rule of the British. It was officially called “Palestine” in English. In Arabic it was officially called “Falastin”, and in Hebrew it was officially called “Palestina (E.Y)”. The “E.Y” stands for “Eretz Yisrael”, as the Jewish community called it.’

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            • High Flying Duck

               /  May 15, 2018

              That’s nice – the point? Palestine was not and never was a country or a state. It was effectively a no-mans land.The land was controlled by outside parties for significant periods of time.

              British Command Paper 1785, December 1922, containing the Mandate for Palestine and the Transjordan memorandum
              Created 1920-2
              Ratified 1923
              Signatories League of Nations
              Purpose Creation of the territories of Palestine and Transjordan
              The British Mandate for Palestine, also known as the Mandate for Palestine or the Palestine Mandate, was a League of Nations mandate for the territory that had formerly constituted the Ottoman Empire sanjaks of Nablus, Acre, the Southern part of the Vilayet of Syria,[1] the Southern portion of the Beirut Vilayet, and the Mutasarrifate of Jerusalem, prior to the Armistice of Mudros.

              The draft of the Mandate for Palestine was formally confirmed by the Council of the League of Nations on 24 July 1922, supplemented via the 16 September 1922 Trans-Jordan memorandum[2] and then came into effect on 29 September 1923,[2] following the ratification of the Treaty of Lausanne, with the United Kingdom as the administering mandatory.[a]

              The document was based on the principles contained in Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations and of the San Remo Resolution of 25 April 1920, which embodied decisions made after World War I at the San Remo conference, where the Supreme Council of the Principal Allied Powers was reconvened. The objective of the League of Nations Mandate system was to administer parts of the defunct Ottoman Empire, which had been in control of the Middle East since the 16th century, “until such time as they are able to stand alone”.[4] The approximate northern border with the French Mandate was agreed upon in the Paulet–Newcombe Agreement of 23 December 1920.

              Transjordan had been a no man’s land after the Battle of Maysalun in July 1920.[5] During this period, the British chose to avoid any definite connection with Palestine[6] until a March 1921 conference at which it was agreed that Abdullah bin Hussein would administer the territory under the auspices of the Palestine Mandate. The Trans-Jordan Memorandum provided the detail to support Article 25 of the Mandate, such that the Jewish National Home did not apply to the territory east of the Jordan River. It also established a separate “Administration of Trans-Jordan” for the application of the Mandate, under the general supervision of Great Britain. Transjordan became largely autonomous under British tutelage according to an agreement of February 20, 1928, and fully independent under a treaty with Britain of March 22, 1946.[7]

              On 29 November 1947, the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine was passed, envisaging the creation of separate Jewish and Arab states operating under economic union with Jerusalem being transferred to UN trusteeship.[8] Two weeks later, Colonial Secretary Arthur Creech Jones announced that the British Mandate would terminate on 15 May 1948.[9][10] On the last day of the Mandate, the creation of the State of Israel was proclaimed, and the 1948 Arab–Israeli War began.”

        • Blazer

           /  May 15, 2018

          so if I stand over my neighbour take his car…and give it to you…you drive around in it…with the rationale that you have stolen nothing and that doesn’t even register on the moral virtue…scale!

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          • High Flying Duck

             /  May 15, 2018

            Your analogy is false. There was no nation there. There were a small number of Jews and Arabs. Many more Arabs moved to the area due opportunities afforded by the work Jews were doing to make the land arable.
            Most of the displacement of Arabs was caused by the wars the Arabs waged on the Jews.
            Arabs were offered the majority of the land in the original handover plan per the below pic. They have been intransigent and violent 100% of the time and have a stated goal to destroy Israel and the Jews no matter what.

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          • High Flying Duck

             /  May 15, 2018

            Palestine was conquered by the British military from the hands of the Ottomans during World War one and then handed to civil administration which, in turn, made Palestine the UN’s responsibility with the British civil administration having legal responsibility.
            If we were to make a demographic breakdown of the residents of Palestine at the time we wouldn’t find the name “Palestinian” anywhere… you’d find Muslims from various nationalities (Egyptian, Syrian, Jordanian etc.), Christians from various nationalities and Jews from various nationalities.
            Within these groups you’d easily find many residents, Muslim, Jewish and Christian, who can trace their roots to being from that land, but all in all, the make up of the vast majority involved is immigrants from around the area.

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            • Blazer

               /  May 15, 2018

              you’ve reinvented history..U.N was founded in the U.S in 1945.

              ‘Palestine was conquered by the British military from the hands of the Ottomans during World War one ‘

              ‘There was no nation there.’

              I think this is what’s called ‘hoist by your own..petard’.

            • High Flying Duck

               /  May 16, 2018

              Sophistry there Blazer. It was the League of Nations (the precursor to the UN). The region of Palestine existed, but there was no country and no such people as “Palestinians”

            • Blazer

               /  May 16, 2018

              @HFD…any ‘sophistry’ is entirely on your part.
              You need to make sure you are accurate and understand the topic.

            • High Flying Duck

               /  May 16, 2018

              “during the three decades of British rule, in the area West of the Jordan, the Brits issued ID documents to the local inhabitants, identifying their nationality as “Palestinian.” This designation was accepted by the Jews (with delight), but emphatically rejected by the Arabs. Why? Because to them, the land called Palestine was “a European, colonialist, Zionist invention. What you call Palestine is nothing but Southern Syria” (“as-Suriya a-Janubiyah”). That was the contention of the local Arab spokesmen to the UNSCOP (UN Special Committee on Palestine, in 1947).”

      • High Flying Duck

         /  May 15, 2018

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  6. sorethumb

     /  May 15, 2018

    I read a pamphlet Jews for Justice in the middle east. Made me think the state of israel was illegitimate. Having said that it will take a bloodbath to unseat the Jews. In the past there were no video cameras and losers became compost.
    ……
    Why does the middle east strike a nerve with the left. Is it because they think you can have a happy ending to every story (wipe the hard drive and reprogram)?

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  7. David

     /  May 15, 2018

    I heard it simplified. If the Palestinians put down there arms, opened the border and claimed they wanted peace and a deal it would happen pretty quickly. If Israel put down its arms and opened the border there would be wholesale slaughter as every Jew in Israel man woman and child would be wiped out.

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    • Blazer

       /  May 15, 2018

      that is pure biased… speculation.

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      • High Flying Duck

         /  May 15, 2018

        It is based on the stated aims of both parties.

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        • Gezza

           /  May 15, 2018

          It is based on the rhetoric of Fundamentalist extremist Hamas. It cannot be based on a true stated aim of Israel as they will never lay down their arms. And it is increasingly unlikely they will abandon stolen territory.

          Word on Aljaz a week ago was a rumour that the US plan includes Israel leaving the East Bank. If true, I cannot imagine it seeing the light of day as Bibi & his Zionist cohort will never go along with this.

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          • Gezza

             /  May 15, 2018

            *leaving East Jerusalem, sorry

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          • High Flying Duck

             /  May 16, 2018

            Who did they steal it from? The land was mostly barren and empty. It was controlled by the British, who gave the land to them.
            They expended significantly when attacked, but have given back 90% of what they took during various wars,
            It is a fallacy to say it was all Arab land and then the Jews took it.

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            • Blazer

               /  May 16, 2018

              I told you…you can’t just ‘give’ a 3rd party something that does not belong to you…its called theft…and receiving,each treated the same.

            • High Flying Duck

               /  May 16, 2018

              It wasn’t anyone else’s land to begin with. Before the British, the Turks controlled & owned the land by conquest.
              Most of the land was barren and empty. There were no such thing as Palestinians.
              The British mandate was internationally recognised (as was the French portion).
              Jordan is a country created by the same mandate.
              The only thing that has stopped a country called Palestine being formed along with a very small country called Israel is a lack of will on the Arab side.

  8. Zedd

     /  May 15, 2018

    I remember seeing ‘President Trump’ (1990s ?) on the Simpsons.. . They also mentioned the 51st state of USA; ‘Saudi Israelia’ sounds almost ‘prophetic’ ?

    BUT it sounds like Mr T has effectively declared ‘the west bank’ is all part of Israel; all the land from the river to the sea. Although the river.. is apparently the Euphrates’ not the Jordan.. look out Iran & Syria

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  9. Alan Wilkinson

     /  May 15, 2018

    Tragic consequences of extremism and religious fanatics using ordinary people as sacrificial pawns for their political ambitions. And a religion that supports and ecouragages that.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  May 15, 2018

      A religion that encourages its followers to act like lunatics also encourages its opponents to regard its followers as sub-human.

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    • Joe Bloggs

       /  May 15, 2018

      Bullshit, it”s the tragic consequences of Israeli snipers targeting Palestinians and knowing exactly where each bullet ended up.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  May 15, 2018

        Create a mob of 40,000 to advance on the Israeli border in defiance of military warnings and claim it is someone else’s fault. Well done, Joe.

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        • Joe Bloggs

           /  May 15, 2018

          trump’s deliberately driven the Palestinians away from the table and given them the excuse not to come back.

          Israel’s deliberately imprisoned 2 million people behind barbed wire and military towers, then mobilised snipers against youths and men in wheelchairs with slingshots

          And trump and netanyahu are outrageous liars and war criminals who have capitulated to a vision of brutal dominance over the Palestinians.

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          • David

             /  May 15, 2018

            “Israel’s deliberately imprisoned 2 million people behind barbed wire and military towers, then mobilised snipers against youths and men in wheelchairs with slingshots”

            Odd, does Israel control the boarder between Gaza and Egypt too?

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            • High Flying Duck

               /  May 15, 2018

              David don’t bring the Egyptians (who for some reason have needed to bomb tunnels and consider the Palestinians to be terrorists) or the Jordanians (who have revoked all citizenship routes for Palestinians) into this. It is Israel who are the bad guys…

            • David

               /  May 15, 2018

              The Syrian’s have killed 4,000 Palestinians in the last few years, mostly by bombing and sniper fire, but Joe doesn’t seem too concerned about this either.

            • Blazer

               /  May 15, 2018

              produce evidence..David..’The Syrian’s have killed 4,000 Palestinians in the last few years,’

            • David

               /  May 15, 2018

              Blazer, google is a thing. I’m sure you can mange it.

            • Gezza

               /  May 15, 2018

              You’ve been called on a statement David. I think it may well be correct because I think ISIS was running one of the rebel holdouts in a Palestinian refugee enclave in Damascus, but the onus is on you to back it up.

            • Gezza

               /  May 15, 2018

              *if it wasn’t ISIS, it was another Islamic Fundamentalist group – there were heaps of them, often interrupting shelling and rocketing the centre of Damascus to battle it out with a competing fundamentalist group in the next suburb.

              ISIS might still be in control of one rebel area that’s next on the list for a rub out.

          • MaureenW

             /  May 15, 2018

            How long have the Palestinians and Israel engaged in hostilities?And this is Trumps fault? May as well move ahead with plans for those who want change. That’s what he campaigned on and that’s what he’s done. I understood there were clear warnings given as to what the response would be to those storming/approaching the wall? They got what was offered.

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            • David

               /  May 15, 2018

              Trump was born 2 years before the creation of the State of Israel, coincidence? I think not!

            • Has he got an Israeli birth certificate?

            • David

               /  May 15, 2018

              He was born in the largest Jewish city on earth.

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  May 15, 2018

            Where did the Palestinians find 40,000 youths and men in wheelchairs?

            Drivel, Joe.

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            • Gezza

               /  May 15, 2018

              All “drivel”s will be downticked until further notice for lack of originality.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  May 15, 2018

              Rubbish.

            • Gezza

               /  May 15, 2018

              That’s better.

        • Blazer

           /  May 15, 2018

          hey Al you forgot to say give some slingshots and get themto chant anti Israeli slogans.

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            • Blazer

               /  May 15, 2018

              nice’..shame on you..Al.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  May 16, 2018

              They illustrate mass lunacy in action.

            • Gezza

               /  May 16, 2018

              They illustrate desperation with no other option but to sacrifice themselves to get world attention on what is being done to them. Commentary on Aljaz says it mainly young people : they don’t enjoy getting crippled and killed Al. It’s not about martyrdom for Allah. It’s about freedom from harrassment and oppression and the prison they’re in. The protests are also at their leadership, Hamas, and the infighting. This is an entire generation grown up under ghettoisation, beatings, deprivation, Israeli barrages, beatings & humiliation, unemployment – they have nowhere else to turn but the rest of the world because their own leaders and Hamas are FITH.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  May 16, 2018

              Yes, their leaders are FITH but so are they and their religion.

            • Gezza

               /  May 16, 2018

              And so is Israel’s without which we wouldn’t even have any of the three participating religions and all this shite happening.

              How is your good lady, btw? Well, I hope. Please give her my fondest regards.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  May 16, 2018

              Yep, she is well thanks.

  10. Zedd

     /  May 15, 2018

    when the WAR is over..

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  11. Conspiratoor

     /  May 15, 2018

    Trump campaigned on moving the US embassy to Jerusalem. Quelle horreur, a politician who delivers on his promises. This will make him highly unpopular with the liberal media and the perennial offended who think their opinion matters

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    • Gezza

       /  May 15, 2018

      🙄 WTF is wrong with these people, c? The only opinion that matters to me is mine, & frankly, surprisingly often, once I read what I’ve just posted I’m not even really all that interested in that & find myself wondering why Sir Alan even replies !

      Its not like his opinion ever bloody matters – is it ? :.D

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      • Gezza

         /  May 15, 2018

        Bugger.
        >:D

        That’s better.

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      • Conspiratoor

         /  May 15, 2018

        Understandable G, since your brain’s been washed and scrubbed by that paragon of unbiased journalism …Al Jazeera.

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        • Gezza

           /  May 15, 2018

          Nonsense. I watch it. It gives me information and perspectives unseen by the British & US churnalism seen on tv here. It also includes commentary from those who challenge an Arab-only perspective. Folk in English-speaking countries get an Israel-dominant perspective on the crisis & it’s extremely hard to even find stuff from other perspectives – and what there is, is discounted by those who favour Israel and their belief it is more like us than them.

          But I also see clearly enuf the foolish Islamic “Death To …” bs of Hamas with which they stoke up the undeducated religious dimbos among the Palestinians & the utu passages of the Koran and Hadith.

          And the sheer bloody-minded ignorant incompetence of their President and UN ambassador who speak the same angry, pointless, senseless, Allahu feckin Akbar anti-Israeli, completely exaggerated, over-the-top slogans with which Arab nations & people like to address each other, their subjects, and their troops and which nobody pays any serious attention to.

          The Palestinians have been abandoned because they don’t know how to speak to the West & are too arrogant and pig-headed to learn, and because the Arabs who profess support for them don’t really give any more of a fig than any of their soldiers do when they listen an inspiring speech by their commanders while shuffling their feet and thinking why do we have stand here in this heat & listen to this idiot who couldn’t command his way out of a desert dunny when we could be sleeping at our posts.

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          • Conspiratoor

             /  May 15, 2018

            Of course, you’re a smart guy G. You can see through the left-centre bias…

            “They often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes) to favor liberal causes”

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            • MaureenW

               /  May 15, 2018

              I would agree with that statement.

            • Gezza

               /  May 15, 2018

              Yes, they do. And their President and UN ambassador do it. And nobody listens because they get caught out. The Palestinian people have genuine issues that require redress and have done so since at least 1967.

              Their leadership including Hamas would be best taken out into the desert and shot. They need to start again.

            • MaureenW

               /  May 15, 2018

              @Gezza. Yes, that’s probably true too, the people are largely victims of their leaders.

            • Gezza

               /  May 15, 2018

              Their leaders are preaching to Arabs who no longer care about the rhetoric.

            • Gezza

               /  May 15, 2018

              Watching the Palestinian UN ambassador yesterday on Aljaz at a press conference angrily saying :”The recent Arab summit was called The Jerusalem Summit – where are our Arab brothers??” was pitiful.

              How thick can they be?

            • MaureenW

               /  May 15, 2018

              Average IQ 85?

            • Gezza

               /  May 15, 2018

              Sleazebag Saudi Arabia is busy trying to carve out its new unannounced Caliphate, with lapdogs UAE and Bahrain cooperating. They’ve done deals with Israel (for now).
              Qatar is busy resisting that and strengthening ties with Turkey (also wanting to extend its reach into the region)
              Iran is busy extending its influence into the Shia areas of Iraq – Moqtada Al Sadr has mounted a serious challenge for the Presidency in the curren elections, won’t succeed but is a power not to be ignored.
              Israel has flown over Lebanon to attack Syria, violating their airspace, and while their Sunni President semi-abducted by the Saudis has returned and been re-elected, Hesbollah is still the dominant political force to be reckoned with.
              Assad has enuf on his plate – he’s not going to support Palestinians they’ve given him grief in Damascus.
              King Abdullah of Jordan wants nothing to do with getting involved in fighting the Israelis, knows they don’t stand a chance – but IS interested in reaching a fair solution to the Palestinian state demand.
              Sisi of Egypt ain’t gonna fight Israel, he needs them & he’s busy suppressing Islamic fundamentalists in his own dictatorship – with good reason.

              If the Palestinian leadership can’t see all this writing all over the dunny walls they’re useless to their people. They can’t – and they are!

            • MaureenW

               /  May 15, 2018

              Thank you – very informative

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