Trump scraps summit with North Korea’s Kim

Rancid rhetoric has resumed between the USA and North Korea. Statements between the two countries had put the planned summit between Donald Trump and Kim Yong Un on notice, and it didn’t taake loing for Trump warnings to escalate into him withdrawing from plans to have the meeting.

Reuters: Trump scraps North Korea summit, warns Kim that military ready

U.S. President Donald Trump on Thursday called off a historic summit with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un scheduled for next month, citing Pyongyang’s “open hostility,” and warned that the U.S. military was ready in the event of any reckless acts by North Korea.

Trump wrote a letter to Kim to announce his abrupt withdrawal from what would have been a first-ever meeting between a serving U.S. president and a North Korean leader in Singapore on June 12.

“Sadly, based on the tremendous anger and open hostility displayed in your most recent statement, I feel it would be inappropriate, at this time, to have this long-planned meeting. Please let this letter serve to represent that the Singapore summit, for the good of both parties, but to the detriment of the world, will not take place.”

North Korea had just symbolically demolished what they said was a nuclear test site.

Trump canceled the summit a few hours after North Korea followed through on a pledge to blow up tunnels at its main nuclear test site, which Pyongyang said was proof of its commitment to end nuclear testing.

A small group of international media selected by North Korea witnessed the demolition of tunnels at the Punggye-ri site on Thursday.

The apparent destruction of what North Korea said was its only nuclear test site had been widely welcomed as a positive, if largely symbolic, step toward resolving tension over its weapons. Kim has declared his nuclear force complete, amid speculation the site was obsolete anyway.

But they had already threatened to withdraw from the talks.

Earlier on Thursday, North Korea had repeated its threat to pull out of the summit, which was intended to address concerns about its nuclear weapons program, and warned it was prepared for a nuclear showdown with Washington if necessary.

Trump had also been making threats of withdrawal, and Vice President Mike Pence had stirred things up an already messy lead up to the summit.

Washington Post: How Kim-Trump tensions escalated: The more the U.S. said ‘Libya,’ the angrier North Korea got

“As a person involved in the U.S. affairs, I cannot suppress my surprise at such ignorant and stupid remarks gushing out from the mouth of the U.S. vice president,” Choe Son Hui, a North Korean vice foreign minister, had said hours earlier.

The remarks came after Pence brought up Libya as an example of North Korea’s possible fate in a Fox News interview Monday, even though similar comments by Trump’s national security adviser, John Bolton, and Trump himself had previously drawn ire in Pyongyang.

“As the president made clear, this will only end like the Libyan model ended if Kim Jong Un doesn’t make a deal,” Pence told Fox News. Using almost the same words, Trump stressed last week that the example of Libya showed “what will take place if we don’t make a deal.”

One could almost think that the US was deliberately provoking North Korea on an ongoing basis. Did trump want olut of the meeting, but wanted to blame the breakdown in peace talks on North Korea?

Both were referring to the capture and killing of former Libyan leader Moammar Gaddafi by rebel forces in 2011. The references were apparently meant as a warning to North Korea to give up its nuclear weapons.

But a closer look at history reveals that Libya may be the worst example Pence or Trump could have chosen — and could have contributed to the renewed escalation of tensions in recent days. The North African nation chose to voluntarily give up its nuclear weapons program in 2003 and to comply with Western conditions — but the United States and Europe later helped topple the Gaddafi regime anyway.

So Libya was a very stupid threat to keep making.

Trump may have slipped out of contention for a Nobel Peace prize. He has just said that the US is ready for any military action – Reuters:

In a statement at the White House, Trump said he was still open to dialogue but had spoken to Defense Secretary Jim Mattis and warned North Korea against any “reckless act.” He said the U.S. military was the most powerful in the word and was ready if necessary.

Trump is acting at least as recklessly. Threatening nuclear war is a particularly stupid risk.

50 Comments

  1. artcroft

     /  May 25, 2018

    Don’t be fooled like I was. According to sources on the internet this is nothing to do with North Korea. Trump is sending a powerful signal to his deep state foes, telling them he is about to go nuclear on their collective arses. It all a chess game too complicated for mere mortals to follow. Certainly don’t be swayed by comments from the so call North Korea “experts”. Just drink the cool aid and be assured that Trump knows what he is doing.

    • sorethumb

       /  May 25, 2018

      The media are saying he shouldn’t have brought up Gadaffi?

      • artcroft

         /  May 25, 2018

        Media are also saying Bolton keep mentioning it as a way of making sure the summit wouldn’t go ahead.

        • Pence repeating it after Bolton kept repeating it makes it look like a deliberate sabotage of the summit.

    • Corky

       /  May 25, 2018

      Arty, Trumpy is parked on the outskirts of Doomsville. He’s been told Sly Draw Kim has a Chinese slinger hiding out who’s offering advice and backup. This Chinese dude is cunning. He’s already handed Trump’s domestic enemies a decisive win to batter Trumpy with. But Trumpy knows a trap when he sees one. He’s going to twirl his irons at speed. No one knows when he’ll pull his grip and fire.

  2. Alan Wilkinson

     /  May 25, 2018

    Reagan collapsed the Soviet Union by walking away from a deal. Trump is happy to do the same:
    https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-05-24/north-korea-talks-trump-can-win-by-walking-away

    • artcroft

       /  May 25, 2018

      Really? you don’t think Trump just puts on a show and walks away when actual work and progress is required?

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  May 25, 2018

        Seems to be putting plenty of work in on lots of fronts. Keeping his opponents very busy.

        • artcroft

           /  May 25, 2018

          And? Other than stirring s**t what else is he achieving? Cos I don’t see the this on-and off again summit idea moving the world towards a resolution with KN.

          • David

             /  May 25, 2018

            NK have been ratcheting up the rhetoric while Trump was always “we will see what happens” and other encouraging signals to NK about assisting them economically he couldnt have been more conciliatory without being ineffective in the negotiations.
            It could be that the mountain has collapsed on his nuclear program and there is no way he can afford to re start it, the blowing up of the tunnels indicates this too. Trump has the upper hand and his foot on their throat, China is now aware that unlike the past if they dont assist Trump will chuck tariffs on them and China knows its communist party will stay in power as long as growth keeps coming and everyone is making money.
            Its an interesting game if folk would dispassionately look at it rather than through their Trump hating lenses.

            • Joe Bloggs

               /  May 25, 2018

              Hearing that trump pulled out, micheal cohen dutifully mailed a cheque for $130,000 to Kim

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  May 25, 2018

              Not bad for a Lefty, Joe. Had to give you a tick.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  May 25, 2018

              PDT has no sense of humour. Strike the ” of humour”.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  May 25, 2018

              Joe, really ! Remember that you are a lady 😀

  3. sorethumb

     /  May 25, 2018

    North Korea’s Trump card is artillery trained on Seoul (his own cousins).

    • Gezza

       /  May 25, 2018

      Trump has Korean cousins? Are you sure of this?

    • George

       /  May 25, 2018

      And at the first salvo North Korea turns into glass.
      Kim might be a raving nutter but he’s not stupid

  4. Joe Bloggs

     /  May 25, 2018

    Kim dismantled a nuclear site and returned three US hostages and… to be rewarded by pence and bolton equating North Korea with Libya.

    I hope trump chastises pence and bolton for the hostile statement that derailed the talks. Pence threatening to assassinate Kim Jong-Un is far more hostile than a North Korean official calling pence stupid. And bolton is too blinded by rage at the world to advise anything short of war, and certainly would not be the one to advise his boss on careful and thoughtful negotiations.

    trump’s “we’ll see” attitude is not conducive to negotiations about denuclearization. It’s just another obvious sign of how out-matched he is on the world stage

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  May 25, 2018

      NK should be flattered to be compared with Libya. Gaddafi was a saint compared to Kim. Perhaps you can explain to Gezza how Kim has outmatched Trump to date. He needs a bit of support.

      • Gezza

         /  May 25, 2018

        Well, clearly, Trump had put himself in the running for a Nobel Peace Prize, no doubt dimly imagining that they are awarded by a select group of barely educated hayseeds with back country whisky stills somewhere in the bible belt of the US.

        However he has now been out-manoeuvred by a few ne-er do well warmongers who he has let into the vipers nest while Kim has got rid of a useless used nuclear testing site and returned some American prisoners in good health attracting approving nods from many good if possibly somewhat naive folk around the globe – whereas Trump is now perceived as a jingoistic bullying nuclear dick-waving nonce threatening to attack NK which is why North Korea and Iran say they need nuclear weapons in the first place.

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  May 25, 2018

          Except he didn’t threaten to attack NK. He threatened to obliterate them if they attacked anyone. Apart from that your comment is a pitiful load of steaming manure.

          • Gezza

             /  May 25, 2018

            It never seems necessary to employ anything else in order to demolish your nonsensical unquestioning admiration of an anti-free market egotisitical narcissistic bully with the morals of an alley cat, the emotional intelligence of a child, and the attention span of a gnat.

            • Gezza

               /  May 25, 2018

              *egotistical

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  May 25, 2018

              I guess you mean The Winner.

            • Gezza

               /  May 25, 2018

              Seems to me to be the loser. What has he gained?

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  May 25, 2018

              You want a list? Kim starving on a string. Prisoners returned. Test site demolished. China making huge concessions on tariffs. SK in his pocket.

            • Gezza

               /  May 25, 2018

              I’ll get back to you later on this. I have just had to name Bluey and eject him from the precincts for causing gross disorder at the Manor House.

              And right now I’m just looking up the precise meaning of debunked.

            • Gezza

               /  May 25, 2018

              Kim starving on a string.
              Not sure that he’s really any worse off than before? Aljaz reported not long ago that China had resumed some trade following his engineering a summit with Trump.

              Prisoners returned.
              Very important to their families & to many Americans & even I was happy to give Trump credit for that – but Trump made a point of even thanking Kim publicly for this so not sure that it really counts as a victory for Trump without equally counting as one for Kim

              Test site demolished.
              It was most probably totally knackered. Scored Kim international approval points, not Trump.

              China making huge concessions on tariffs.
              Not sure how this is relevant to the Kim Trump summit. Probably isn’t.

              SK in his pocket.
              My impression was that he’s blindsided them & they’re not wanting to kiss his naked feet for it at the moment?

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  May 25, 2018

              Insult to gnats 😀

        • High Flying Duck

           /  May 25, 2018

          I heard a Korean expert on the radio this morning. He said the withdrawal would have come as a huge shock to Kim and would put him on the back foot.
          He mentioned the NK regime had a habit of walking out on talks or not turning up, and that this turned the tables on him.
          Mentioned it was exactly the right move and put the US in the box seat.

          http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/mike-hosking-breakfast/audio/sung-yoon-lee-the-real-reason-donald-trump-cancelled-north-korea-summit/

  5. Joe Bloggs

     /  May 25, 2018

    Quite possibly the greatest single sentence ever uttered about trump:

    “We are attempting to make sense of what, precisely, President Trump means”

  6. lurcher1948

     /  May 25, 2018

    Everyone knows that mike pence wants the rapture to happen as a biblebasher,bolton wants a war and trump has never done the deal as a multiple bankrupty,it causes you to go orange shafting people

    • David

       /  May 25, 2018

      “Everyone knows that mike pence wants the rapture to happen as a biblebasher”

      Do you apply the same logic to any politician who happens to be Muslim?

      • Griff

         /  May 25, 2018

        Pence?
        Creationist.
        Calls himself an evangelical Catholic.
        In the USA he would be towards the 5% fringe of full on religious extremists.
        He believes in the rapture .
        He also has been linked to Dominionism.
        https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Dominionism

  7. Zedd

     /  May 25, 2018

    Mr Ts idea of ‘diplomacy’ :
    “Here are MY demands… take it or leave it”

    methinks the fact that ROK/USA recently had ‘war-games’, likely put Mr K on the back-foot too ?

    • David

       /  May 25, 2018

      “Mr Ts idea of ‘diplomacy’ :
      “Here are MY demands… take it or leave it””

      When you look at the relative amounts that NK can lose, or gain, vs what the US loses or gains, this seems like a reasonable starting point.

  8. Alan Wilkinson

     /  May 25, 2018
    • Zedd

       /  May 25, 2018

      sounds like Mr Kim wants ‘peace on the Korean peninsula’ but not with the demand by Mr T that, this means DPRK do all the backdown. Global fascism ?

      I said it before; USA need to get off the KOREAN peninsula & let the korean people sort this out.. once & for all

  9. Alan Wilkinson

     /  May 25, 2018
  10. David

     /  May 25, 2018

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5769371/N-Korea-says-open-talks-US.html

    Oh shit it looks like Trump knows how to do a deal.

    • It looks a long way from any meaningful deal, with both sides trying to play the other.

      There’s not deal until a deal is done. Posturing doesn’t count as success.

      • Corky

         /  May 25, 2018

        But just imagine if Obama was negotiating. Come to think of it, I can’t. Trump knew he didn’t have control of the situation, and the remarks from North Korea showed they wanted one up-manship. He wisely withdrew and shot ball back into Kim’s court. That said, I think Trump realises he has a worthy adversary…one who can call on China for guidance. Trump has no one I know of.

        • Gezza

           /  May 25, 2018

          Trumpy has said Prince Mohammad bin Salman is his great friend. Ok – admittedly he was arms dealing at the time – but what about him?

          • Corky

             /  May 25, 2018

            I don’t think the good prince can give Trump the same advice I believe China is giving Kim.

  11. It’s ok, even if Trump impetuously orders a nuclear strike those who actually push the buttons will be responsible.

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