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  1. Gezza

     /  May 28, 2018

    Israel-Palestine: Split Screens & Dissonant Narratives

    First 10 minutes. An interesting look at how regional media reported the provocative opening of the US Embassy in Jerusalem & the murder of 61 & wounding of 1200 unarmed Palestinian protestors, & the realities of the changing attitudes to Palestine by Arab countries.

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    • High Flying Duck

       /  May 28, 2018

      The opening of the embassy was a success, and Hamas have said their planned protests were a success too – so I guess everyone got what they wanted.

      It’s people like you who encourage Hamas to do what they do.

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      • Gezza

         /  May 28, 2018

        No it isn’t & no I don’t support Hamas in any way & I have made that very clear to you numerous times. Don’t muckrake me.

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        • High Flying Duck

           /  May 28, 2018

          I may have overstepped there – sorry. But the fact is Hamas have a tactic of creating situations where civilians will get hurt or killed by filing rockets from residential areas, schools and hospitals and paying people to protest in amongst terrorists. They then cry to the world about Israeli actions and demand repercussions.
          Israel is stuck in a never ending cycle of defending itself both militarily and from the easily gulled who spout the Hamas script whenever they create violent interactions.

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          • Gezza

             /  May 28, 2018

            It has to defend settlements they’ve stolen because the settlers attack & harrass the people they stole them off. So then some of the younger ones burn tyres & throw stones at the thieves & the soldiers who enable them. They don’t steal the settlements because they need them to stop attacks. They steal them because they’re zioinsts who say the arabs don’t belong there & they want to steal more of their land.

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            • Gezza

               /  May 28, 2018

              Oh for Jaweh’s sake!
              *Zionists.
              Better? 😐

            • High Flying Duck

               /  May 29, 2018

              Either that, or in the absence of any meaningful willingness to compromise or reach a solution over many decades, Israel has decided to simply act in it’s best interests, assume a position on the land it wants and get things sorted leaving Palestinians with less and less options.
              Had the Palestinians at any stage shown ANY willingness to accept Israel and to reach resolution the settlements would not have happened, a logical 2 state solution could have been found and everyone would be prospering..

            • Gezza

               /  May 29, 2018

              The fatal flaw in your argument is that the Israelis refuse to include the right of return to the Paelestinian diaspora in any offer. In cintrast to their ongoing welcome & invitation to Jews everywhere who’ve never lived there & whose antecedents haven’t lived there for 1400 years, and whose forebears likely only lived there for 300 years at most.

              Also to be included:

              1, Israeli Zionists need to stop continually stealing more Palstinian land in the occupied territories. Land they do NOT need for defence – except defence against those they keep recently stealing it from, when the setllers are armed & encouraged &/or protected by the IDF anyway, & the Pallies have rocks & car tyres.
              2. They need to give that recently stolen land back. It’s a given they’ll wreck everything they’ve built there before leaving – but the Saudis or the Iranians could help fund the rebuilding.
              3. They need to stop exacting reprisals on the whole population for the actions of resistors – that’s a Nazi tactic.
              4. Then – maybe then – Hamas & Islamic Jihad will get given the boot. They’ve brought the Palestinians nothing but misery – Hamas don’t even have the support of Arab countries any more – only empty rhetorical lip service, at best. Palestinians were never Islamic fundamentalists.
              5. Abbas is fecking useless. But without offers including 1-3 above, these young folk will not give him the boot & will continue to resist & die. And Israel will continue to slaughter them, because the US Congress enables & supports that.

            • High Flying Duck

               /  May 29, 2018

              The right of return would be the end of Israel full stop. It will never happen and cannot happen (unless you believe Israel should not exist). To remotely encourage right of return is to deny the peace process.

            • Gezza

               /  May 29, 2018

              Exactly the mirror claim can be made of denying the right of return to Palestinian refugees & their children and encouraging the selective immigration of Jewish foreigners.

            • High Flying Duck

               /  May 29, 2018

              What would the mirror claim be? Israel exists. Palestine does not (due to the actions of the arabs).
              For the displaced, compensation – absolutely. Land elsewhere – yes. Right of return – no.

            • Gezza

               /  May 29, 2018

              Don’t be ridiculous. Palestine exists. The Poms had the mandate over it. The Zioinsts grabbed a great big chunk of Arab Palestine & called it Israel. (In fact it is neither Israel – an ancient, very temporary state, itself created from military invasion of other nations’ lands – nor Judah. It’s Israeliland.)

            • Gezza

               /  May 29, 2018

              And as you will know, the Zionists themselves considered creating a new Zionist state in other lands & rejected it. Why on earth would you expect Palestinians to feel any different. Where would you suggest those other lands be, btw?

            • High Flying Duck

               /  May 29, 2018

              And here I was thinking it was Ottoman land from 1517 and then British land by Mandate after the war, before becoming Israeli land.

              Israel is a small country – there is plenty of room for others nearby.

              (Trans)Jordan was created by the British from the Mandate area, and took over 76% of the land area – including much that was promised to the Jews. It is 4 1/2 times bigger than Israel and has done very well. Israel takes up a fraction of the Mandate.

              Why couldn’t the rest accept a state of Palestine and get on with it?

              There are dispossessed peoples throughout history in all parts of the world. The ones who accept reality and look forward tend to do very well. Those who continually look to the past and try to change history tend to get stuck in permanent victimhood.

            • Gezza

               /  May 29, 2018

              And here I was thinking it was Ottoman land from 1517 and then British land by Mandate after the war, before becoming Israeli land.

              Yes. This is where you go wrong often. It’s been arab land since the 1400s although others have certainly been its overlords. The Brits then told them they’d get independence for helping fight the Hermans but then shat on that promise & did a deal with the Zionists & – well – they’re all still dealing with the result of a British made-disaster.

            • High Flying Duck

               /  May 29, 2018

              You’re forgetting the bit where the land owenership was fraught under the Ottomans and that the British deny the claim that they offered the land to the Arabs as it had been offered to the Jews.

            • Gezza

               /  May 29, 2018

              There are dispossessed peoples throughout history in all parts of the world. The ones who accept reality and look forward tend to do very well. Those who continually look to the past and try to change history tend to get stuck in permanent victimhood.

              That’s very amusing claim when you consider who you are talking about & backing against the people who occupied the land when they walked back in & seized after 1400 years. The logic of your argument is that if the Palestinian diaspora were allowed to return they would get pushed out again, but based on ypur logic what’s the problem there? They could just accept it & get given land in the US instead.

              Look, I’ll leave it here while you go & run your Israeli flag & Old Testament Bible claim further up the mast because the thread’s a day old now.

              No doubt we can return to your backing the Right might is right in this area in another thread later because the problem won’t go away until the Israelis allow the return of the Palestinian diaspora to at least half of Palestine. And the Zionists won’t agree to that.

            • High Flying Duck

               /  May 29, 2018

              Yes, we’ll leave it there, but you misinterpret me when I talk about those who ‘move on’.
              Many of the Jews in Israel were forceably displaced from Europe. The English are comprised of many displaced and dispossessed people, It has happened throughout history in almost every nation.
              Even the IRA eventually backed down and accepted a truce.
              The land ownership records in the area are hugely incomplete. Much of what the Palestinians claimed ownership of was in fact legally Ottoman land or British land. Israeli’s bought large tracts of land legally from absentee landlords, displacing people who lived there and thought the land was theirs.
              It cannot be unravelled.
              I am not unsympathetic to what happened or to the suffering at the time.
              I am very unsympathetic with cutting off nose to spite face and continued violence for 70 years with no prospect of resolution when there are billions of dollars in aid and support available should the Palestinians choose to make a new life.

          • Blazer

             /  May 29, 2018

            ‘ But the fact is Hamas have a tactic of creating situations where civilians will get hurt or killed by filing rockets from residential areas, schools and hospitals and paying people to protest in amongst terrorists. ‘

            gee you really take the cake…you must work in the finance field,your support of Zionists is unbelievable!
            Whats your take on this..then…

            https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/may/31/israeli-attacks-gaza-flotilla-activists

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            • High Flying Duck

               /  May 29, 2018

              So you are denying Hamas deliberately put civilians in harms way to garner international support?

              https://nypost.com/2014/08/05/hamas-manual-details-civilian-death-plan-israel/

            • High Flying Duck

               /  May 29, 2018

              Aaah the boarding where the protesters fired first and then claimed Israeli bruatality – I remember that one!
              There was an investigation and no prosecution.

              https://www.timesofisrael.com/free-gaza-spox-admits-activist-initiated-fatal-2010-violence-aboard-mavi-marmara/

            • Blazer

               /  May 29, 2018

              @HFD…do me a favour….talk about Ripley’s…

              ‘The Israeli military said it has captured a Hamas manual on urban warfare — called “Introduction to the City War” — that extols the benefits of civilian deaths and openly admits that Israel tries to avoid them.

              The Israel Defense Forces also said the manual — whose cover shows images of militants wielding rocket-propelled grenades and automatic weapons — crows about the propaganda value of the deaths of innocents.

              “The destruction of civilian homes: This increases the hatred of the citizens toward the attackers and increases their gathering around [to support] the city defenders,” the manual said’

              talk about fake news/propaganda.

            • High Flying Duck

               /  May 29, 2018

              Try the second link then. Sourced with videos.

            • Blazer

               /  May 29, 2018

              unbelievable attempts at justifying force…
              ‘“Live fire was used against our forces. They initiated the violence, that’s 100 percent clear,” he said.’

              ‘Israeli commandos boarded the Mavi Marmara by descending on ropes from helicopters. The IDF later said that its forces were attacked with clubs, knives and metal rods as they began to land from the first helicopter, with three soldiers taken captive. It stated that soldiers opened fire after a protester grabbed a weapon from one of the commandos.

              “Unfortunately this group were dead-set on confrontation,” the then Israeli government spokesman, Mark Regev told the BBC shortly after the clash.

              “Live fire was used against our forces. They initiated the violence, that’s 100 percent clear,” he said’

              ‘they initiated the violence’!
              Hello….just dropping in for….coffee!!

              ‘Israeli commandos boarded the Mavi Marmara by descending on ropes from helicopters.’

            • High Flying Duck

               /  May 29, 2018

              There was a blockade in place – the ships were not allowed to be where they were. They were told several times to change course, were told their goods would be shipped to Gaza over land after checks and were told they would be boarded if they did not comply.
              But otherwise, I’m sure the boarding came as a complete shock to the people on board who had weapons at the ready…

            • Blazer

               /  May 29, 2018

              when did the Mediterranean become Israels territory!!

              ‘the ships were not allowed to be where they were. They were told several times to change course’

            • High Flying Duck

               /  May 29, 2018

              I’m not sure if your ignorance is feigned or real. But I cannot be bothered dealing with it any more on this.
              The blockade was around Gaza to stop the supply of weapons to the terrorists running the city that had been occurring.

            • High Flying Duck

               /  May 29, 2018

              From your link above:

              “In recent years the naval commando force has played a key role in intercepting arms shipments from Iran and Syria to Hamas in the Gaza Strip and Hizbullah in Lebanon. Flotilla 13 is often compared to the US Navy Seals and Britain’s Special Boat Service.”

            • Blazer

               /  May 29, 2018

              not forgetting Israel paid Turkey 10’s of millions in compensation for the…incident.

            • High Flying Duck

               /  May 29, 2018

              Agreed to pay the families of the deceased as a condition of re-normalising political relations with Turkey.
              A politically prudent move.

  2. Gezza

     /  May 28, 2018

    US-N Korea summit could end decades of war, says Kim

    North Korean leader Kim Jong-un believes a face-to-face meeting with US President Donald Trump in Singapore next month could “put an end to the history of war” between the two nations, South Korea’s president said.

    Moon Jae-in also said on Sunday that Kim reaffirmed his commitment to “complete” denuclearisation of the Korean Peninsula in talks they had at a surprise meeting a day earlier at the demilitarised zone. 

    Chairman Kim and I have agreed … our quest for the Korean Peninsula’s denuclearisation and a perpetual peace regime should not be halted,” Moon told reporters.

    “He also expressed his intention to put an end to the history of war and confrontation through the success of the North-US summit and to cooperate for peace and prosperity.” 

    More …
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/05/donald-trump-north-korea-summit-june-12-180527053507290.html

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    • NOEL

       /  May 28, 2018

      The South Koreans have given one opportunity to save face. If Trump keeps on with his I demand path hopefully they will go it alone and include Japan.

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  3. Gezza

     /  May 28, 2018

    Aljazeera midnight tv reports that Palestinians have turned to desperate measures to break the siege of Gaza & get urgent hospital care for people wounded by Israeli snipers during the recent protests by people seeking the right of return to their stolen land.

    2 boats loaded with hospital patients and some university students are planning to set sail from Gaza this week to run the Israeli blockade.

    Gaza’s Hospitals were said to be full of woundec protestors & other patients needing urgent care that cannot be provided by hospitals starved of resources, including people needing cancer treatment & open heart surgery who cannot get medical care outside Gaza because the Israel troops will not open the border to them.

    The boats are currently being hidden to prevent their being destroyed by Israeli forces. Aljaz’s reporter says he does not expect them to get any further than the 16 mile limit of Israel’s enforced blockade.

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    • Trevors_elbow

       /  May 28, 2018

      Ummmmm the have a border with Egypt… they can drive out Gezza. Or are the Eygptians sick of Hamas and their vile tactics as well so have locked down that border as well?

      Media stunt Gezza… media stunt.

      Hamas and their charter are the real problem…

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      • Gezza

         /  May 28, 2018

        By ASHRAF SWEILAM AND FARES AKRAM / AP May 18, 2018
        (CAIRO) — Egypt has opened the Rafah border crossing with Gaza for the entire Muslim holy month of Ramadan, President Abdel-Fatah el-Sissi announced on Twitter, in what would be the longest uninterrupted period of time since 2013.

        The move is meant as a humanitarian gesture during the annual holiday, one of the few occasions in which Egypt allows some Gazans stranded by a 2007 Egypt-Israel blockade to leave and return to the territory ruled by the militant Islamic group Hamas.

        El-Sissi’s announcement is not expected to ease the lengthy, complicated security procedures that turn Palestinians’ trip to the Rafah crossing into a hardship. Egypt’s security and intelligence services haves lists of Palestinians allegedly involved in the Islamic insurgency and anti-government attacks during the 2011 uprising that forced longtime President Hosni Mubarak to step down.

        http://time.com/5282182/egypt-opens-gaza-border-ramadan/

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        • Trevors_elbow

           /  May 28, 2018

          Egypt could turn Gaza in to a prosperous enclave if they and Hamas chose to, BUt it doesnt happen because of Hamas,

          Strategy of launching rockets from hospital and school precincts is wrong but that is Hamas. They seek ollateral damage so western idiots will blame Israel

          The Arab world has trillions and could make Gaza properous but they dont, Because they are jealous that the Hebrews invented their religion and like a dog after a bone lash out with violence o claim ownership of their religion.

          All they] Arabs need to do is stop and seek peace and then a truth/reconciliation process can happen. But while the Arabs choose violence they will be met by force by Israel, as the Israelis wont unilaterally seek suicide via a one side peace

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      • Gezza

         /  May 28, 2018

        Media stunt Gezza… media stunt.
        No doubt. But so was the opening of the US Embassy in Jerusalem on the day of Al Nakba, and the building of it so that it straddles occupied East Jerusalem – stolen Palestinian land.

        Hamas and their charter are the real problem…
        I hope they wake up to that soon too – but it’s been chicken and egg. Zionists steal more Palestinian land in illegally occupied territory, always on high points to overlook and surround the Palestinians below, & having done so the settlers – usually Zionist zealots, regularly harrass the Palestinians below, protected by the IDF, which is now needed to defend the always armed settlers, which creates support for Hamas, which is used as the excuse to illegally occupy and defend more stolen land …

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    • High Flying Duck

       /  May 28, 2018

      “Meanwhile, the IDF also reopened the Kerem Shalom border crossing into Gaza this week to carry some 53 tons of emergency medical aid into the coastal territory. The crossing had been previously damaged by riots and fire. However, Hamas refused to allow two IDF trucks bearing hundreds of lifesaving medical equipment to enter Gaza. The Israeli medical equipment was intended to assist Gaza hospitals to cope with the situation.”

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      • Gezza

         /  May 28, 2018

        Source?

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        • High Flying Duck

           /  May 28, 2018

          “The army further said that Hamas has been “escalating its terror actions in the past few weeks under cover of violent riots and has been harming Gazans’ quality of life and paralyzing its lifelines.”

          “Israel and many other countries around the world have endeavored to allow good, equipment and fuels to enter the strip for its civilians, while Hamas is preventing their arrival and carrying out activities that endanger the crossings’ continued operation,” the statement continued.”

          https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-5261028,00.html

          “Palestinian Authority officials, working on the Gaza side of the crossing, sent back 14 trucks worth of food and diapers on Tuesday, for unclear reasons. The next day, Hamas officials inside Gaza refused to accept two shipments of medical supplies, despite shortages in the Strip’s hospitals, because they were provided by the Israeli military.

          While the inability to import medical equipment and other essential goods to the Gaza Strip due to the temporary closure of the crossing was a source of concern, international officials last week warned of the dire consequences of the lack of fuel.

          “The impact of the destruction of the fuel and gas lines is already being felt,” the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) said in its appeal. “To avoid a collapse of essential services, an alternative arrangement for the entry of fuel is urgently needed until the Kerem Shalom fuel pipelines are repaired.”

          https://www.timesofisrael.com/eu-denies-israeli-report-it-agreed-to-rebuild-gaza-crossing/

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          • Gezza

             /  May 29, 2018

            “The legs of two Palestinians were amputated on Wednesday after Israel refused to allow them to leave the blockaded Gaza Strip for treatment.

            Human rights groups had appealed to the Israeli authorities to allow for the transfer of Yusif Karnaz, 20, and Muhammad al-Ajouri, 17, to a hospital in the occupied West Bank for surgery that would save their limbs.

            The youths were shot during the launch of the Great March of Return protests along the Gaza-Israel boundary on 30 March.

            But COGAT – the bureaucratic arm of Israel’s military occupation that postures as a humanitiarian body – denied their requests for permission to travel for specialized surgery unavailable in Gaza.

            Israel admitted that it refused the request as a form of punishment for protesting.”

            https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/maureen-clare-murphy/palestinians-lose-legs-israel-punishes-them-denying-medical-care

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  4. Joe Bloggs

     /  May 28, 2018

    Rudy Giuliani has admitted on CNN that the ‘spygate’ conspiracy story was cooked up as a PR assault against Mueller to sway opinion and reduce the risk of impeachment.

    That ole trump, what a character. He’s lied to the public and his followers have fallen for it like the country rubes they are.

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    • Gezza

       /  May 28, 2018

      I’m lovin Rudy. Trumpy will be giving him the arse card before too long.

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      • Joe Bloggs

         /  May 28, 2018

        Giuliani’s inability to properly represent his client may be more of an indictment on Trump, who has adopted the bizarre strategy to delegitimize the Mueller’s investigation at every turn….

        Overall, Giuliani’s latest appearance on TV only proves that the president and his attorneys do not have a sound legal strategy at all. There only play since Giuliani joined the team has been to misdirect and obfuscate the American people. It’s a strange tactic for an administration that maintains its innocence and insists no collusion ever took place….

        Trump appears more and more desperate as stories pertaining to the Trump campaign continue to trickle out to the public. News broke last week that Donald Trump Jr. had met with foreign nationals seeking to help the Trump campaign defeat Hillary Clinton. As a result, Sen. Chris Coons recently alleged that Trump Jr. lied before Congress when he testified last year that he was not aware of foreign governments, other than Russia, attempting to aid Trump.

        https://www.salon.com/2018/05/27/rudy-giuliani-bemoans-spygate-while-implying-it-produced-damaging-information/

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    • MaureenW

       /  May 28, 2018

      Gee, I would have thought that would be a bigger story than Stormy .. did you have a link?

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      • Joe Bloggs

         /  May 28, 2018

        Oh, what do you know, one of the country rubes…

        Here’s one of many links you could check out. Do your own research next time Maureen. I don’t have time to nursemaid you.

        https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/may/27/rudy-giuliani-spygate-robert-mueller-donald-trump

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        • MaureenW

           /  May 28, 2018

          Thanks Joe, I had only just managed to find it myself – rather buried isn’t it. A poorly cobbled-together string of part citations parading as a story with a conclusion.

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          • Joe Bloggs

             /  May 28, 2018

            hahaha – you really take the biscuit Maureen … grudging admission much?

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            • MaureenW

               /  May 28, 2018

              No, I think it’s got more legs and likelihood than Trump/Russia. There are liars and bull-shit artists on both sides, so we will have to wait and see.
              I did note from last week’s meeting you mentioned below, that the participants were asked not to leak, so it’s good that Schiff has confirmed there is no evidence to support Trump’s assertion.

      • Joe Bloggs

         /  May 28, 2018

        The difference between “Spygate” and Stormy Daniels is that Stormy Daniels exists

        That’s why the Republicans who sat in on last week’s DOJ briefing on”spygate” left the meeting shaking their heads and saying nothing, leaving the Dems who attended to confirm there was no evidence to support trump’s conspiracy theory.

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        • Griff

           /  May 28, 2018

          It shows you the contempt they have for their followers .
          Blatant lies about the justice departments actions are excused because they make the Trump look good. They know the audience are suckers who keep coming back for more lies.
          Jesus H and Mohammad.

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        • Joe Bloggs

           /  May 28, 2018

          Republican commentator Rick Wilson on MSNBC

          “the big lie of the week that was exposed was if they had found anything in this Justice Department briefing, Devin Nunes would have run out of there like a monkey with his ass on fire to say there was a spy that they caught and knew who it was.” – my emphasis, because… Nunes 😉

          Trump’s problem was that his lie was so egregious, even some of his allies were afraid to stick their necks out by going along with it.

          Trump’s criminal co-conspirator Nunes went along with it, because Nunes is pretty much guaranteed to end up in prison if he can’t find a way to sabotage the investigation. But the serious Republicans in Congress aren’t playing.

          Of course the FBI was using an informant to try to gauge the extent of the campaign’s criminal conspiracy with the Russian government. Considering that three of trumps key campaign advisers have already pleaded guilty to felonies, and his campaign chairman is about to go on trial for charges that add up to three hundred years in prison, the FBI’s use of the informant seems damned reasonable.

          And still the suckers on the frothy right keep coming back for more lies.

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          • MaureenW

             /  May 28, 2018

            Instead the Adam Schiff monkey on steroids came out blurting, but I haven’t seen this picked up with any veracity so .. more to come.

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            • Joe Bloggs

               /  May 28, 2018

              oh Maureen, you’re really stretching now… have you completely bought into the frothy right assertion from John Cornyn that somehow Schiff breached confidentiality by revealing that there was nothing to reveal.

              Seriously, how can Schiff leak classified infomation by saying there was no classified information? How is debunking Trump’s lies a leak of classified information?

              Do you realise how silly that is? It’s time you and Alan started thinking for yourselves rather than aiding and abetting all this trumpian propaganda

  5. Griff

     /  May 28, 2018

    The internal combustion engine is doomed.
    The Dodge Challenger SRT Demon is a limited addition striped out and hopped up drag race version of the challenger. The passenger seat is optional.
    Note the disclaimer.

    Yes indeed fast…… for an ICE car.
    It gets thrashed to legal speeds by the Tesla P100D electric four door luxury sedan.

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    • Zedd

       /  May 28, 2018

      looks like the car some guy made from hemp-fibreglass/plastic panels (like henry ford in 1940s) recently

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    • David

       /  May 28, 2018

      Dodge Challenger SRT Demon $80,000 USD
      Tesla P100D $134,5000 USD

      Nice for those who can afford them Griff…

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  6. Joe Bloggs

     /  May 28, 2018

    I know it’s fun and all, but decoding Trump’s tweets for meaning is like analyzing cereal ads for spiritual guidance.

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  7. Alan Wilkinson

     /  May 28, 2018

    The Brits’ fingerprints in Spygate:
    https://spectator.org/the-london-to-langley-spy-ring/

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  8. MaureenW

     /  May 28, 2018

    Downers take on the lauded Downer – Papadopoulos meeting used to legitimise the Russian dirt planted by Misfud

    http://dailycaller.com/2018/05/27/downer-papadopoulos-trump/

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