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  1. David

     /  May 30, 2018

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/middle-east/104295988/commentary-that-palestinians-innocent-israelis-evil-is-morally-bankrupt

    Unusual and interesting the appearance in the MSM of an article taking the alternate view that Palestinians can do no wrong and its always the awful Israeli,s. I think the media had an obligation to cover that most of the people killed were Hamas terrorists and what the stated plans of the riots were.

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    • Gezza

       /  May 30, 2018

      Dr David Cumin is co-director of the Israel Institute of New Zealand.

      That’s what the Palestinians can’t hope to beat, David. The PR machine of the Israeli Propaganda Ministry manufacturing the story that it’s all the Palestinian terrorists who were killed. Look how short that video interview is. Who even is that guy?

      And the 1200 wounded by Israeli snipers? All Hamas? And the unarmed journalists shot by Israeli snipers? Hamas? Bullshit.

      The international web of the Web of the IDF / Israeli government PR machine reaches everywhere & is the best organised in the world.

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      • David

         /  May 30, 2018

        The PR battle is the only one the Palestinians will win, nearly all coverage here and in the UK and Europe is pro Palestinian. I did see the coverage of the Hamas leader claiming the death of 60 martyrs and also the Hamas guy saying they wanted to breach the border and tear the living hearts out of Israelis but obviously not at a NZ outlet.
        I know its a subject you get quite passionate about, both sides are at fault but one side doesnt even want to try and find a solution.

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        • Gezza

           /  May 30, 2018

          FFS, David. Every bloody Muslim that dies in any kind of argy bargy – Jesus Christ – some probably even in car accidents – gets called a martyr. If they tripped and fell over and expired after hitting their head on a kerb on the way to a protest March any bloody where they get called a bloody martyr. Martyr is a word Muslims chuck around like confetti.

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        • Corky

           /  May 30, 2018

          Well put, Dave. It’s an argument you can’t win on most blogs.

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          • Gezza

             /  May 30, 2018

            Course you can. There’s more Israeli Government supporters on this blog than Palestinian supporters I think Corky?

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            • High Flying Duck

               /  May 30, 2018

              Blazer’s got your back Gezza – that’s how we know you’re on the side of angels. The Hams guy claimed the death of 60 Hamas martyrs by the way – he was comfortable that most of those killed were there to kill Israeli’s.

              “Most of the protesters killed this week by Israeli fire along the border with the Gaza Strip were members of Hamas, the militant group said Wednesday, an assertion that deepens the starkly different narratives on both sides over the deaths.”

            • Gezza

               /  May 30, 2018

              Bardawil did not elaborate on the nature of their membership in the group and his claim could not be independently verified. It was unclear if the protesters he was referring to were militants or civilian supporters of the Islamic group, which rules Gaza and opposes Israel’s existence.

              The affiliation may matter little to those who have deemed Israel’s response to the protests to be heavy-handed.

              For Israel, it was enough to cement its narrative.

              “It was clear to Israel and now it is clear to the whole world that there was no popular protest. This was an organized mob of terrorists organized by Hamas,” said Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Emmanuel Nahshon. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Israel had tallied similar numbers to Hamas and “won’t let those who call for our destruction to breach our borders and to threaten our communities.”

              In response to the uproar over his remarks, Bardawil later said in a statement that Israel was “legitimizing the killing of Palestinians just because they are Palestinians or just because they are Hamas, even if they were unarmed and defending their dignity and rights.”

            • High Flying Duck

               /  May 30, 2018

              Mahmoud Al-Zahhar: “This is a clear terminological deception. When you are in possession of weapons that were able to withstand the occupation in the wars of 2006, 2008, 2012, and 2014… When you have weapons that are being wielded by men who were able to prevent the strongest army in the region from entering the Gaza Strip for 51 days, and were able to capture or kill soldiers of that army – is this really ‘peaceful resistance’? This is not peaceful resistance. Has the option (of armed struggle) diminished? No. On the contrary, it is growing and developing. That’s clear. So when we talk about ‘peaceful resistance,’ we are deceiving the public. ”
              https://www.memri.org/tv/senior-hamas-official-mahmoud-zahhar-on-gaza-protests-this-is-not-peaceful-resistance/transcript

            • Gezza

               /  May 30, 2018

              THE MEMBERS OF MEMRI’S BOARD OF DIRECTORS*
              Oliver “Buck” Revell: Chairman; Former FBI Executive Assistant Director (Investigations) in charge of Criminal Investigative, Counter-Terrorism and Counter-Intelligence programs; former Vice Chairman of the Interagency Group for Counterintelligence, former member of the Senior Review Group of the Vice-President’s Task Force on Terrorism; and currently President of The Revell Group.
              Steve Emerson: Executive Director of The Investigative Project and known terrorism expert.
              Jeffrey Kaufman: A leading intellectual property lawyer with offices in the Washington, DC area.
              Robert Reilly: Former Senior Advisor at the Department of Defense and Chairman of the Committee for Western Civilization at the Claremont Institute.
              Michael Mukasey, Former U.S. Attorney General and Judge of the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York.

              HE MEMBERS OF MEMRI’S BOARD OF ADVISORS
              Bernard Lewis, Professor of Near Eastern Studies Emeritus at Princeton University.
              GEN (Ret.) Michael V. Hayden, four-star Air Force general, and former NSA Director and CIA Director.
              Jose Maria Aznar, former Prime Minister of Spain.
              Stephen J. Trachtenberg, President Emeritus and University Professor of Public Service at George Washington University.
              Donald Rumsfeld, Former US Secretary of Defense and US Representative (IL).
              GEN (Ret.) Keith Alexander, founder and CEO of IronNet Cybersecurity, four-star Army general, first commander of the U.S. Cyber Command, and former NSA Director and Central Security Service Chief.
              James Woolsey, Former Director of Central Intelligence Agency and Under-Secretary of the Navy.
              John Bolton, Former US Ambassador to the United Nations.
              John Ashcroft, Former US Attorney General and U.S. Senator (MO).
              Ehud Barak, Former Prime Minister of Israel.
              Irwin Cotler, former Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada.
              Mort Zuckerman, Chairman and editor-in-chief, U.S. News & World Report.
              Chin Ho Lee, former FBI Special Agent and Senior Executive of the Hyundai Corporation.
              Peter Hoekstra, former Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee and 9-term member of U.S. House of Representatives from Michigan.
              Dorothy Denning, Distinguished Professor of Defense Analysis at the Naval Postgraduate School.
              Norman Podhoretz, Former editor-in-chief of Commentary Magazine.
              M.K. Narayanan, former Director of India’s Intelligence Bureau and former Indian National Security Advisor and Special Advisor to Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh.
              William Bennett, Former Secretary of Education.
              Christopher DeMuth, Former President, American Enterprise Institute.
              Anne Speckhard, Adjunct Associate Professor of Psychiatry at Georgetown University in the School of Medicine and of Security Studies in the School of Foreign Service.
              Rohan Gunaratna, Professor of Security Studies at S. Rajaratnam School of International Studies, Nanyang Technology University, and Head of International Centre for Political Violence and Terrorism Research, Singapore.
              Paul Bremer, Former Ambassador to the Netherlands; former Director of Reconstruction and Humanitarian Assistance in Iraq (de-factor governor).
              Katrina Lantos Swett, Chairwoman of the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom; President of the Lantos Foundation for Human Rights and Justice
              Alfred Moses, Former Ambassador to Romania.
              Amb. Husain Haqqani, Former Pakistan Ambassador to the U.S., author, and a Senior Fellow at the Hudson Institute.
              Father Patrick Desbois, head of the French Bishops Conference’s Commission for Relations with Judaism, advisor to the Vatican, and president of Yahad-In Unum.
              Herb London, President Emeritus of the Hudson Institute.
              Stuart Eizenstat, former ambassador to the European Union.
              MAJ.-GEN. (Ret.) Deepinder Singh, ASVM, SM, and VSM, decorated major-general in the Indian army.
              Deborah Lipstadt, Dorot Professor of Modern Jewish and Holocaust Studies at Emory University.
              Josef Joffe, Publisher of Die Zeit.
              Natan Sharansky, former Israeli Minister for Jerusalem and Diaspora Affairs, Minister without Portfolio.
              Jana Hybaskova, former Member of the European Parliament and Chairperson of the European Democrats Party (Czech Republic).
              Dr. Khaleel Mohammed, Professor of Religion at San Diego State University (SDSU) and faculty member of SDSU Center for Islamic and Arabic Studies.
              Imam Hassen Chalghoumi, French-Tunisian Imam of the Drancy mosque, Paris.
              Alan Dershowitz, Felix Frankfurter Professor of Law at Harvard Law School, author of 27 works as well as over 100 magazine and journal articles.
              Dr. Jeffrey Gedmin, Senior Fellow at Georgetown University’s School of Foreign Service and Co-Director of the Transatlantic Renewal Project at the World Affairs Institute and Journal.
              Yehuda Bauer, Former Director of the International Institute for Holocaust Research at Yad Vashem.
              Magdi Khalil, human rights activist and Executive Editor of the Egyptian weekly Watani International.
              Anthony Julius, British lawyer who successfully defended historian Deborah Lipstadt in the libel case of Holocaust denier David Irving.
              Faraj Sarkouhi, former editor of the Iranian literary monthly magazine Adineh.

            • High Flying Duck

               /  May 30, 2018

              I tried to find anything refuting the translation but couldn’t. Maybe you can?
              They show the video with subtitles.

  2. lurcher1948

     /  May 30, 2018

    I watching AM now and watching Marks performance and thought he’s a bitter person.Marks idea of a relaxing weekend is thinking of himself and the most important person in his life is his accountant,and finally announcing to the world he’s putting his tenants rent up”because he can”he’s a sad right winger and it shows

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    • David

       /  May 30, 2018

      Switch over to Fox Lurcher the host on there is trying to link Roseannes awful racist tweet to Trump, Shep Smith usually spends an hour ripping in to Trump. Channel 88 your day would probably start a little better.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  May 30, 2018

        It was a witless remark, but the reaction has been a bit extreme. Not that I watch the show; that laugh would put anyone off. And Trump endorsing it is enough to make me think that it’s nothing that I would want to see.

        1 said that it was a racist rant. so I was surprised when it proved to be a stupid fourth-form humour tweet,

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  3. David

     /  May 30, 2018

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12060783

    This government is certainly raising the bar on secrecy, taxpayers are funding 886 million in farmer subsidies to try and eradicate a disease that is just another disease that is present in every other dairying country on earth. If there is a good reason for us to bail out farmers let us see the reasoning and the numbers behind the decision, if its just so you can look like you are doing something or keeping farmers onside then that is unacceptable.
    Again Ardern,s government wont let us see the cost benefit analysis, at least they have actually done one unlike with the oil and gas debacle and its done by MPI and not “the kids” at treasury.

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  4. Blazer

     /  May 30, 2018

    Farmers always need a handout.If i’ts not a drought,its too much rain,low prices,irrigation,and…so on.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  May 30, 2018

      For sure, they should just get a Govt job like all decent Lefties.

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      • PartisanZ

         /  May 30, 2018

        Let the market decide … eh Alan? The market will fix it.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  May 30, 2018

          Suspect farmers know more about the market than 99% of Lefties, PZ. But it is the Labour Government, not the market, that has imposed this solution on them.

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          • PartisanZ

             /  May 30, 2018

            You mean the ‘solution’ of compensation and trying to contain the disease which is the direct result of National’s long and constant underfunding of MPI and border controls …?

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            • High Flying Duck

               /  May 30, 2018

              The Government is simply protecting its future revenues.

              Whether the decision is correct will be determined over time, but (apparently, given figures have not been released) the eradication policy option was cheaper than management over the next 15 years.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  May 30, 2018

              How much do they get as handouts, when and how often ?

  5. Corky

     /  May 30, 2018

    Getting harder to be a bad dude and protect your privacy.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12060517

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  6. Corky

     /  May 30, 2018

    Vicious violence now part of everyday school life. This pupil got off lightly- only black eyes and wired teeth. Don’t know about the emotional damage. I can guess who the perpetrators were. And I can guess the ultimate outcome of this case.

    I went to school with two people who later became criminals of some note. They wouldn’t have dared inflict this type of damage on anyone within the school confines.

    Hmmm..I must meditate on this and fathom what’s changed during the intervening years.

    http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/national/suspensions-for-james-cook-high-school-students/

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  7. Gezza

     /  May 30, 2018

    Righto

    1. This came this week in a House of Representatives envelope. Whoever the first is to tell me what it is in this letter that’s not exactly encouraging about Simon and Brett’s ability to hold anyone to account I will do my best to be exceptionally nice to today.

    2. If you think I should go along and meet Simon – uptick
    If you think I should NOT go along and meet Simon – downtick.

    3. Lurch – are you going? 😎

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    • duperez

       /  May 30, 2018

      Don’t know whether to uptick or not as you didn’t give enough detail. (I mean health and safety angles.) Are you scared of big crowds?

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      • Gezza

         /  May 30, 2018

        Not if Luch is going too & there’s more than one exit & they don’t block them off to make people stay & listen if Simon makes a speech. To tell you the truth, I’m more worried about whether he’ll be wearing that purple-blue suit. 😕

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    • lurcher1948

       /  May 30, 2018

      Why??

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      • Gezza

         /  May 30, 2018

        Tell him what you think.

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      • Gezza

         /  May 30, 2018

        Well if you’re not going, Lurch, I’m not.
        Frankly I expected a bit of bloody moral support on the ground buddy.
        I was planning to tell him what YOU think.
        I’m not overly bovvered. He’s a dead man walking.

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        • PartisanZ

           /  May 30, 2018

          Think strategically Gezza …

          Meet and Greet … You know … Give the man a chance …

          The longer he stays leader the less chance National have of getting back in ‘power’.

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    • Pickled Possum

       /  May 30, 2018

      Yea Gezz We in the North got an invitation to have dinner or dinner with the Simon.
      In 2 Very fancy restaurants, HMMM… Do I have the right *LBD for socialising?
      the small print says. Lunch dinner comes at your own cost.

      So I guess being unable to find my *LBD
      cost of a meal would be worth a whole week’s groceries to me.
      Sounds like another ‘meet the money’ get together,
      So I won’t be going. What could I possibly be missing?

      Maybe, there just maybe another Bridge to gap the broken structure here in the north.

      *Little Black Dress 😎

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      • Pickled Possum

         /  May 30, 2018

        jez geezza I meant …dinner or lunch

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        • PartisanZ

           /  May 30, 2018

          Do you mean the horribly broken infrastructure?

          I know! It’s a wonder all those trucks make it up-and-down to the Port and Auckland every single day …

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    • High Flying Duck

       /  May 30, 2018

      National’s communications team need a kick in the #$%@.

      First they criticised Jacinda and the endless working groups by using images of her smiling and winning races.

      Now they are going to “hold the Ardern-Perters Government to account “for delivering” on {the opportunities we have}”.

      Next up they’ll be telling everyone to vote Labour to change the government.

      * I’ll ignore the “Simon and me” bit which also grates.

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      • Gezza

         /  May 30, 2018

        Oh for Jaweh’s The Trinity’s and Allah’s bloody sake. Even bloody Jesus and Muhammad would spot it!

        Who’s the local National List MP based in Ohariu?
        What’s the name he’s signed under?

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        • Gezza

           /  May 30, 2018

          Dammit. I’m just gonna have to try and be exceptionally nice to my bloody self! 😡

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        • High Flying Duck

           /  May 30, 2018

          It’s technically correct though. He is a list MP and he is based in Ohariu?
          The letter is not community based, so being actual MP for Ohariu wouldn’t be important.

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          • Gezza

             /  May 30, 2018

            If his name’s bloody Hudson – why has he signed and sent out letter to the whole freakin electorate from Brett bloody Husdon?

            How are they gonna hold this government to account when they can’t even proof-read a bloody important letter to everyone?

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    • Zedd

       /  May 30, 2018

      Bridges came to Dn recently.. just ‘singing to the Natl-pty choir’ by the sound of it !

      I dont think David & Clare are ‘quaking in their boots’

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  May 30, 2018

      I hope that you took a pen and made it ‘Come AND meet…’ We are not in America,

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      • Gezza

         /  May 30, 2018

        I think Mr Husdon will have something else to be feeling more stupid about.

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      • Gezza

         /  May 30, 2018

        But on that topic of Kiwis speaking American – that’s an inevitability. TV presenters & certainly ALL the younger reporters on 1ewes already sprinkle Americanisms liberally throughout their reports. They don’t “get off”, they “get off of”, they say the “thing is, is that”.

        I’ve lost track of how much American they speak – it permeates young people’s conversations – but their slang peppered ours too back in the day – “like, it was all, you know, right on, brother”!

        Then layer on top of that the PM pushing out 3-year -old-speak like sumpthink and anythink which no one’s obviously ever corrected throughout her life, and the replacement of ‘t’ with ‘d’ that so many Kiwis do and she and Simon are encouraging … I can well believe that Kiwis will be unintelligible to the rest of the English-speaking world in about 50 years. 🙂

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  8. lurcher1948

     /  May 30, 2018

    Nationals low points…
    M Bovis
    the P removal industry
    the housing crises
    and allowing David Seymour to survive and dance

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    • David

       /  May 30, 2018

      The P removal thing was an absurd ruling from the tenancy tribunal, a few of them, and like landlords the government has to obey the law.

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      • PartisanZ

         /  May 30, 2018

        Presumably you mean the law formulated by the government …?

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        • David

           /  May 30, 2018

          There was no law and they commissioned the research, the only research so far was done in the states and if you have a 12 month old crawling across the carpet it picked up a lot where as the teenagers showed little residue. It does show up in the liver from prolonged exposure to just 0.5ppm but then the precursor chemicals are stuff you use everyday when you do the housework or change the brake fluid in your car.
          Every state in the US has a different level of safety but I do think National were totally over cautious because it has more of a duty of care than the normal landlord.

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      • Zedd

         /  May 30, 2018

        reminds me of the ‘workplace drug test’ stories; that any minor trace of DRUGS (mostly cannabis).. in blood or urine sample was sufficient to deny employment or even have people sacked.. even from second-hand ‘weed-smoke’ perhaps.

        Dunne once said the Govt. policy is NOT Zero-tolerance.. & we are all expected to believe it. This matter just proves that unless we ‘bin’ the MODA 75.. that is all we can expect in NZ.. driven by Cops, Judges, Courts & Prisons/’the Prohibition industry’ ($multi-billion)

        btw; in countries like Canada, Holland, USA, Uruguay, Portugal etc. etc… the sky has not fallen & their Drug-use stats have declined. NZ has some of the most draconian laws/attitudes & also the highest use rates/per capita in OECD.. go figure 😦

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        • PartisanZ

           /  May 30, 2018

          And how do we teach our kids about New Zealand’s history of social progressiveness and then say … It all changed with the new (Right) ‘Personal Freedom’ and ‘Level Playing Field’ of Rogerednomics … and we somehow became one of the most conservative nations on Earth around many social issues … especially ones involving ‘Personal Freedom’ and exhibiting ‘Level Playing Field’ tendencies …

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          • Zedd

             /  May 30, 2018

            maybe if they stick to FACTS & cut out all the B-S (lies, misinfo. prejudice etc.) it might be a good start.. PZ :/

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            • PartisanZ

               /  May 30, 2018

              It’s like we’re stuck … I mean stuck with a Capital STUCK …

              I can remember a very similar feeling towards the end of the Muldoon era … STUCK …

              That ‘stuckness’ heralded radical change … Rogerednomics … and may do so again … Robertsonomics??? (tehehehe)

  9. lurcher1948

     /  May 30, 2018

    The right are not known for their intellect, so it comes at a cost in their…pocket
    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/roseanne-barr-valerie-jarrett_us_5b0d6e0de4b0fdb2aa571448

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    • Corky

       /  May 30, 2018

      Yeah, and Trump is called a ” orange monkey.” Everybody laughs. A black woman makes fun of gays. Everyone laughs. Double standards here, son. So, what’s that about intellect?

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    • High Flying Duck

       /  May 30, 2018

      I’m pretty sure that evidence comes out every second year or so as the industry keeps growing.
      It makes me so angry I may need a few drops of my homeopathic calming remedy to settle down.

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      • PartisanZ

         /  May 30, 2018

        Definitely agree HFD … there’s some kind of cyclic pattern to the ‘Press Release Science’ around vitamins, alternative medicine and much ‘self-improvement’ …

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    • Corky

       /  May 30, 2018

      If you believe that, you believe ufo’s aren’t real. While the article states some valid points, especially regarding multi vitamins, and the bs hype surrounding some vitamins, the rest is open to being discredit by the many people who have improved their health using supplements.

      You may not be familiar with whats happening on the supplement scene….many folk are switching to using concentrated whole foods. So the article may be a little behind the 8 ball.
      Plenty of Maca,Green Tea and Turmeric will do wonders for your cynical disposition, Blazer.

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      • Corky

         /  May 30, 2018

        *discredited*

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      • Blazer

         /  May 30, 2018

        A gullible IZB man like yourself…would be loaded with Lesters Oil,Resveritrol,and….Puraz…talk about snake oil.

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        • Corky

           /  May 30, 2018

          Lesters oil- no

          Resveritrol,- no, results are very mixed, especially regarding the ” The French Paradox”

          Puraz- ?

          My mainstay for 25 years has be Kyolic Garlic and other ”secret potions” I cannot disclose. Ironically someone said to me the other day why I never got sick. I told them I occasionally do…for one, or two days. Nothing a dose of large particle colloidal silver wont fix.

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  10. lurcher1948

     /  May 30, 2018
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    • Corky

       /  May 30, 2018

      Nothing wrong with nepotism, Lurchy. Maoris are masters of this fine art of lining the family pockets…with your money.

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      • PartisanZ

         /  May 30, 2018

        Family of Origin or Family of Choice Corky … nepotism is everywhere …

        Think Maxim Institute, NZCPR or NZ Initiative … these are not places for dissenting voices.

        In so many businesses, bureaucracies, NGOs and ‘Think Tanks’ it’s “keep it all in the family” …

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  11. Gezza

     /  May 30, 2018

    I’ve found myself thinking of the 12 year old girl & the 15 year old driver who were killed in short police pursuit in Palmerston North yesterday several times today, for some reason. The families were interviewed & some of it was shown on 1 ewes.

    The girl’s mother & a young-looking aunty were devastated. Mum was saying she keeps playing back what she could change. That she could have done better. Even worse is that the girl’s older brother died in a police car chase 5 years ago.

    The boy’s nani & granddad were just as shattered. Nani said they were feeling mamai (sick) as it was: they could imagine the mamai the girl’s family was feeling; the anger, the hurt. I think they meant the anger at their boy. They said their boy had been a role model for their younger grandchildren but he’d recently been on the wrong side of the law. Grandad said unfortunately the last year or so he’d gone a bit wayward. They’d tried to haul him back in, look after him, but “you can’t put a chain & collar on these kids today: they do what they want to do.”

    He was obviously asked his feeling about police pursuits because he said “Look, that’s their job, that’s their job. You can’t blame the police.”

    The item ended with the girl’s mum saying “It’s a systemic problem really, when you look at these kids, they have been getting into trouble, they’re doing the same thing over and over again, but I dunno there’s something wrong in our system. It’s failing these kids.” But I never heard them blame the police.

    What a bloody tragedy, though. I’m coming round to Al’s way of thinking that maybe it’s time to try abandoning these pursuits.

    But is it a systemic problem? How does ‘the system’ make kids steal cars & others want to joyride with them them?

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    • High Flying Duck

       /  May 30, 2018

      Kids do stupid things. Teenagers especially are very risk prone and do not see consequences for their actions.

      The Dunedin study highlighted this very well:

      “The arguments – much based on sound research including that of the “Dunedin Study” – make sense. The adolescent brain is still forming, decision-making is less reliable, and a certain amount of “risk taking” and “bad behaviour” is part of young adult development. Many youth are not hard-core offenders, hard-wired for a life of crime.”

      Add this adolescent predisposition to vehicles and there is a recipe for disaster. The police say they often cannot tell the age of the drivers of cars they chase, so it is hard to hold it against them.

      An intractable issue with no clear “right” solutions. Just heartache for many families.

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  12. Gezza

     /  May 30, 2018

    (Damn! You’re not seeing double. One of those ‘them’s shouldn’t be there.)

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