Voters feel betrayed by Winston Peters

It should hardly be a surprise that some people who voted for NZ First, giving Winston Peters a disproportionately strong hand in negotiating a coalition agreement with Labour, are having some voters remorse.

Some NZ First voters will have preferred NZ First did not side with Labour and particularly with the Greens, but it is specific issues that are apparently dismaying many.

Mike Hosking at NZH: Kiss of death – Winston Peters is betraying his voters

I am receiving large levels of correspondence, and I am not the only one, from people saying they are embarrassed or ashamed that they voted New Zealand First.
They feel duped, ripped off, if not hoodwinked.

And it’s the foreign aid package that’s tipped them over the edge.

A chunk of the New Zealand First vote was to allegedly keep National honest. The theory being, and in normal circumstances under regular rules there was logic, that National would be picked because Winston had picked them before and fundamentally he’s a conservative.

Hence him having to swallow that massive dead fish on oil exploration, not to mention irrigation bans and the dairy crackdown. But the Foreign Affairs package – and it’s $900m worth of aid and more diplomats – is not what a New Zealand First voter would have had at the top of their priority list.

The regional fund might have been. And that still has potential, potential to help the regions and get the party votes. And the key, and this is what virtually all the correspondence is saying, the key is in the name. New Zealand First.

Where’s the New Zealand First in foreign aid? And all this on the back of the news that cheaper doctors’ visits in this country have been delayed.

If all this aid was getting us somewhere, brilliant. But it isn’t. For a party that’s done nothing but go backwards in the polls since the election this is not worth a single vote.

It might well be the kiss of death.

It’s far too soon to rule NZ First out in 2020, but it’s also too soon to know whether Peters will stand again – and if Shane Jones takes over as predicted he will unlikely to appeal to the same people who voted for Peters.

But polls are suggesting some significant voter remorse.

  • Election result 22 September 2017: 7.2%

1 News (Colmar Brunton) polling for NZ First since the election :

  • 9 Nov – 5 Dec 2017: 5%
  • 10–14 Feb 2018: 2.6%
  • 7–11 Apr 2018: 5%
  • 19–23 May 2018: 4.2%

Newshub (Reid Research):

  • 18–28 Jan 2018: 3.8%
  • 27 May 2018: 2.4%

This compares to post 2014 election polls for NZ First (election result 8.66%) – Colmar Brunton:

  • 14–18 Feb 2015: 6%
  • 11–15 Apr 2015: 7%
  • 23–27 May 2015: 7%
  • 11–15 Jul 2015: 7%

Reid Research:

  • 20–28 Jan 2015: 6.9%
  • 21–27 May 2015: 8.1%
  • 15–22 Jul 2015: 8.4%

The last polls prior to last year’s election  were close to NZ First’s result:

  • Reid Research 13–20 Sep 2017: 7.1%
  • Colmar Brunton 15–19 Sep 2017: 4.9%

Both those final polls were taken during early voting.

Obviously a lot can happen between now and the next election, but being in Government will mean that Peters will be more limited in what he can claim, and voters will decide on performance more than promises.

And next election it will be harder for NZ First to create an illusion that they could go with National or Labour, after last year’s farce for ‘keep National honest’ voters.

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42 Comments

  1. PDB

     /  May 30, 2018

    I don’t think Peters cares anymore – one last spend up on the things he personally has an interest in, revenge on the National party that knocked him out of parliament for three years and then off he goes into the sunset & bugger the people who voted for him.

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    • Corky

       /  May 30, 2018

      Whiskey, wine, super-duper and a good fishing spot. That’s not bad for barely working your whole life…apart from a stint as a teacher and helping Northland Maori( behind the scenes).

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      • PartisanZ

         /  May 30, 2018

        I’d give him an above average for the Winebox Inquiry alone …

        It’s a pity so few take corporate tax avoidance and global ‘legitimized corruption’ as seriously.

        “Peters has been labelled a nationalist and a populist by political commentators. He favours cutting taxes. However, he was critical of the free market policies enacted by the fourth Labour and fourth National governments in the 1980s and 1990s, opposing privatisations and deregulation. His economic policy retains elements of the Muldoon era.

        Peters is opposed to high levels of immigration, in order “to avoid New Zealand’s identity, values and heritage being swamped”. He has highlighted the “threat” of immigration in both cultural and economic terms.” – Wiki

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winston_Peters

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        • Dave K

           /  May 30, 2018

          Isn’t there just a smidge of irony that one of the winebox hero’s main achievements this term is to weasel through tax breaks for his racing mates (aside from the ego trip waka-jumping bill). Still, bit like fisheries I guess, whatever it takes to pay your debts……other than the $158,000 outstanding to NZ taxpayers of course.

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  2. lurcher1948

     /  May 30, 2018

    Wow PG is quoting Hosking as a source of news,you could have used lurcher or the man in the street as we are all as revalent as him in the great wide world.Hosking he will be your acting PM shortly so get used to…it

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    • PDB

       /  May 30, 2018

      Regardless of who he quoted is Hosking wrong in this instance? If so, how?

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      • Corky

         /  May 30, 2018

        Seems some posters are having problems separating the argument from the personality.
        Trump is a great example.

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    • Grimm

       /  May 30, 2018

      Nope, he’s quoted Hosking as a source of opinion. That you can’t tell the difference between news and opinion is not PG fault.

      Better get used to what, exactly? Peter’s has achieved nothing in decades, apart from being an expensive blowhard. What do you think he will achieve as PM?

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    • lurcher1948

       /  May 30, 2018

      I must admit I don’t listen to Mike Hosking anymore now as my time is more important than him.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  May 30, 2018

        I have always disliked him, so would have to be hard up for an occupation to listen to him.

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  3. duperez

     /  May 30, 2018

    “I am receiving large levels of correspondence, and I am not the only one, from people saying they are embarrassed or ashamed that they voted New Zealand First.
    They feel duped, ripped off, if not hoodwinked.”

    It’s great to see Mike Hosking is speaking out for those embarrassed, ashamed, dismayed and betrayed at the performance of Winston Peters and NZ First. Probably distraught ones too.

    Dealing with such large levels of correspondence and being so moved by it to produce such an erudite missive shows the measure of the man.

    I keep receiving large levels of communications, and I bet I am not the only one, which profess that Mike Hosking is a great man, a man for the people.

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    • lurcher1948

       /  May 30, 2018

      Hosking a great man?a man for the people???
      WTF just saying.

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      • duperez

         /  May 30, 2018

        Dammit! Missed using capitals! 😊

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      • Corky

         /  May 30, 2018

        Lurchy, to use Chinese healing terminologically… the chi ( life force) flows freely in Mikey. As it did throughout New Zealand under National.

        However, chi is stagnant in lefty commentators…to much Yang, and not enough Yin. We see this in their miserable personalities and sour utterances. We see this in the congested atmosphere taking over Aotearoa.

        An example. Someone emailed Mikey. This person was associated with a housing development. He stated the developed has now been rebranded ‘KIWI BUILD.’

        Lurchy..that’s rotten chi.

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    • PDB

       /  May 30, 2018

      Another lefty who choose to attack the messenger rather than the message…you’ll need a squirrel farm soon dupz…

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      • duperez

         /  May 30, 2018

        No squirrels, but shortly to put the Redbands on and traipse through the cow muck. Reading Hosking prepares me.

        (I thought the message was that we are lucky to be hearing from him because he is so swamped in massive piles of correspondence and the country is likely to seize up because he is not the only one in that situation. Obviously the mountains arriving at his door are from zb and Herald folk. They are pretty resilient about electoral things, that mob, they survived a ‘no addition to GST’ electoral episode. Mind you if they came out the other end of that with a mindset to vote Peters and shortly later complain, maybe the impact of it was greater than thought.)🙃

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  4. Patzcuaro

     /  May 30, 2018

    If you voted for Peters you did it with your eyes open. However the Russians, the racing industry and the fishing industry seem to have done ok.

    In fact you could say that Peters treats his votes like unwanted by catch.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  May 30, 2018

      Nice line, Patz. How anyone is surprised by Winston doing what he always does is beyond me. Come election time he will be out with his net again catching the clueless.

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      • Kitty Catkin

         /  May 30, 2018

        Do you remember how Lucy always says that this time she won’t pull the football away ?

        And what happens when Charlie Brown believes her ?

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  5. PartisanZ

     /  May 30, 2018

    It should read “Winston Peters HAS betrayed NZFirst voters” … not IS betraying them …

    Thank Heaven for that!

    NZFirst’s popularity, which is Winston’s popularity, would always have been approximately what it is now – 4.5%-ish – had he not elected to maneuver for the ‘Right Brigade’ vote … the Alt-Right, Don Brash, NZCPR, KFL & Celtic/Greek/Waitaha pre-Maori cultures crowd …

    It’s a pity he did that, because many of his policies are both sensible and compassionate … and the overall idea of a ‘degree’ more nationalism is not intrinsically bad …

    I’d wager money Hosking’s ‘correspondence’ is a vast number of letters & emails from a very few people – I could literally name most of them – who are constantly doing ‘cloned’ letters-to-the-editor and submissions to government …

    One of the weaknesses of a ‘democracy’ that doesn’t go out and ask people what they think …

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  6. Zedd

     /  May 30, 2018

    there is still a misconception that NZF=Winston + others.. but the main issue (IMHO) is the folks who voted NZF, but thought ‘they were going with Natl’ BUT thats just a hangover from FPP thinking !

    anyone who watched parliament in the year before the election, could plainly see NZF had moved closer to Labour.. I for one, was not surprised to see the current coalition 🙂

    Natl needs to learn what MMP is actually about.. they still talk in terms of FPP (no friends.. we will win anyway.. NOT) 😀

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  7. Patzcuaro

     /  May 30, 2018

    Apparently the Auckland International Airport had the termity not to provide Hosking’s plane with an airbridge when he a arrived back from his London holiday, so he had to disembark onto the runway. I hope it wasn’t raining. Then they had to wait for the bus to arrive.

    Things continued going down hill with his bag taking over an hour to come through. Welcome back to reality, makes you wonder if the airport knew Hosking was on board.

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  May 30, 2018

      Suspect they did afterwards.

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      • Patzcuaro

         /  May 30, 2018

        Yes, everybody expects everything to go perfectly but that is not life, sometimes too many planes arrive at the same time.

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    • High Flying Duck

       /  May 30, 2018

      Interesting that the airlines have come out strongly in agreement with Mike that the service to passengers is a disgrace at the airport, despite huge sums paid annually by passengers and airlines to provide it.

      Meanwhile in lieu of investment AIA pays out 100% of profits annually to its shareholders…

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      • Gerrit

         /  May 30, 2018

        You would really need to see their balance sheet to work out where their profit figure is derived from. If provisions (moneys set aside for future budgeted expenditure) pertaining to new infrastructure, are above the profit line than 100% payout to shareholders is correct.

        If the future infrastructure provisions are an off balance sheet item and not taken into account when distributing 100% off the bottom line profits, it is wrong.

        One reason the have auditors and a good governing board to keep shareholders informed. But if the auditing or governance is weak, provisions for expenditure in the future may well disappear.

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    • Blazer

       /  May 30, 2018

      ‘Then they had to wait for the bus to arrive.’….hard to believe!!

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  8. Zedd

     /  May 30, 2018

    I heard a comment on TV1 Breakfast, this a.m. that ‘perhaps Natl.. need to make more friends OR a few of their MPs should form another, Alt-right party’ (with Act on the slippery slope) BUT this went down like a lead-balloon with a Natl MP at the table.. FPP is still clearly, on his/their agenda ?!

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    • PartisanZ

       /  May 30, 2018

      I guess if there’s nothing else positive about that Zedd, at least it’s one way to keep an ongoing measure of National’s intelligence levels?

      How thick they are I should say …

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    • Gerrit

       /  May 30, 2018

      If (and it most certainly looks like it in the poling figures) NZ First is out of parliament in 2020, the next election will certainly have a FPP outcome but under a MMP regime.

      Two blocks of representatives Labour/Greens and National/Act.

      The likelihood of any other party getting voted in to join the circus is virtually nil.

      One can see National dumping Act out of Epsom to get one more electorate seat.

      It then becomes a FPP race depending upon which way the NZFirst and ACT voters swing in favour of Labour/Greens or National..

      With the Greens absolutely ruling out working with National, the Labour/Greens voting block can be seen as a single unit.

      Thus a two horse FPP type MMP election in 2020 if not 2023

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      • PartisanZ

         /  May 30, 2018

        If your scenario pans out Gerrit, it’s a tragedy for NZ’s so-called ‘democracy’, and may a blight fall upon those who set the threshold at 5% …

        … and, for that matter, all those who haven’t reduced it since …

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    • PDB

       /  May 30, 2018

      Everybody is forgetting the Maori party who (if they get the right leader) should be back in parliament next term once Maori voters have been reminded again how little their Labour MPs do for them and they could be the real kingmaker, especially if NZL First fall over.

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      • PartisanZ

         /  May 30, 2018

        Good point … There’s a lot to fix up before the bicentennial – notably a Te Tiriti o Waitangi based Constitution and true power sharing government – and the Maori Party seem the obvious candidates to capitalize on it being only a short 20 years after the 2020 elections …

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        • Gerrit

           /  May 30, 2018

          There will never be a constitution based on one person – one equal vote if the Treaty of Waitangi is involved as a founding document.

          One simply cannot have a democracy where 15% of the population has equal “power” to the remaining 85%.

          Somewhere the treaty has to be removed (and how to do that is a separate debate) from the statue books before a truly representative democracy based on one person – one equal vote is constitutionalism. That debate will include finalising ALL claims and settlements.

          Now the new constitution may well have preferential treatment for Maori if they (Maori) still think it is needed it, but not at the expense of one person – one equal vote.

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      • Zedd

         /  May 30, 2018

        Everybody is forgetting the Maori party… sex pdb

        NO we just remember that they spent 9 loooong years in coalition with Natl. & it seems that this REALLY left a bad taste in the mouths, of most maori roll voters, which will hopefully take >9 more years to get rid of ?!

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        • Zedd

           /  May 30, 2018

          oops typo: Everybody is forgetting the Maori party… SEZ pdb 😀

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      • Blazer

         /  May 30, 2018

        Need O’sullivan but think they are history. The money National handed out was not spread out. Plus the taint of almost inhuman mantra of the National administration that becomes more apparent by. ..the day.

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  9. Gezza

     /  May 30, 2018

    NZFirst policies have always been fundamentally Muldoon economics & a pretty random grab bag of changing, targeted, vote-buying dog whistles to the redneck element, imo. I think his principles, such as they are, are jelly & I can’t think of any time when NZF has even attempted to cost them. NZF is Winston Peters. When he goes, if it survives, maybe it might develop some more permanent principles & joined-up policy, although many in the party may see that as unnecessary because Winston never needed it.

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    • PDB

       /  May 30, 2018

      NZL First won’t survive without Winston. Still room for a truly centralist party in the New Zealand political landscape – one that is greener than National/ACT but more tax payer friendly than Labour/Greens.

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