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  1. Corky

     /  May 31, 2018

    Watched Ross Kemp with the Kurds last night. He was on the front line with Kurd fighters fighting ISIS within their disputed territory. Brave man, a snipers bullets were landing just above his head. The Kurd commander he interviewed was later killed by a sniper.

    The commanders view of ISIS was a group of pigs using Islam as an excuse to execute their plans. He believed many IS soldiers were fighting just for the money. I think the commander insulted pigs.

    Within the Kurd territory, were areas of Arab settlement enabled by Syria providing land.
    The Kurds retook these areas from Isis control. One Arab said ISIS wanted to take them back to the stone age. That guy needs a European speaking tour.

    Best of all the Kurds and Arabs seem to get on. All wanted democracy and equal rights for men, women and religion. Kemp showed a village council made up of men and women.

    Unfortunately, while the Syrian civil war has allowed Kurds to retake their territory they face animosity from an increasingly undemocratic Turkey, and probably a vindictive Syria once the civil war ends.

    Must say I was impressed with the Kurdish women fighters. They had a heap of good looks and guts.

    Once again I am reminded living in New Zealand is like winning Lotto 1st Division every week.

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    • Gezza

       /  May 31, 2018

      My oath. I’ve seen Kurdish units actually commanded by women on Aljaz.
      Your last sentence, me too.

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      • PartisanZ

         /  May 31, 2018

        And yet the Kurds are apparently not permitted their own sovereignty and self-government?

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        • Gezza

           /  May 31, 2018

          Yes, that’s been my thinking too, but I’ve discovered watching Aljaz over the last year it’s a bit more complicated than I thought. Some Iranian Kurds, for example, consider themselves Iranians & don’t agitate for a separate state. And many Iraqi Kurds also consider themselves Iraqi – they don’t want a separate state, they want autonomous local control within the state of Iraq.

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          • PartisanZ

             /  May 31, 2018

            It’s kinda ‘tribal’ then … like politics EVERYWHERE ELSE ON EARTH!!!

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            • Gezza

               /  May 31, 2018

              Must you shout? I’ve got a headache. 🤕

      • Corky

         /  May 31, 2018

        Tautoko.

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  2. sorethumb

     /  May 31, 2018

    ,i>Here we arrive at Gottfried’s central point. The managerial state wishes to weaken, if not cripple altogether, any social group not under its control. The favored minorities who benefit from multiculturalism depend entirely on the state for their enhanced position: strengthening them weakens those who might prove recalcitrant to the state’s domination. A majority culture not created by the state is in a position effectively to resist its absolute mastery; hence the state claims that the historically dominant culture is but one of many competing groups, enjoying no privileged status. As a result, civil society loses its independent status and becomes totally subject to the state’s power..
    https://mises.org/library/multiculturalism-and-politics-guilt-toward-secular-theocracy-paul-edward-gottfried

    Guyon Espiner can call people who object to his 15 minute long mihi “uglies and get away with it; Devoy can call Don Brashes “bigots” and get away with it.

    State, Nation and Nation-State: Clarifying Misused Terminology

    A multicultural state is a wannabe Nation-State.
    https://www.e-education.psu.edu/geog128/node/534

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    • Gezza

       /  May 31, 2018

      Multicultural states have a history of not remaining nation states but instead splitting into separate states for each culture. Our bicultural one I’m happy with.

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    • PartisanZ

       /  May 31, 2018

      @sorethumb – “As a result, civil society loses its independent status and becomes totally subject to the state’s power …”

      Perhaps the ‘State’ reflects civil society? Hence it symbolizes AND represents it’s people’s diverse independent statuses …?

      The alternative you’ve outlined is: As a result, civil society loses its independent status and becomes totally subject to the majority culture’s power.

      That’s a perfect definition of the status-quo …

      What do you propose the State be like? What kind of State do you want?

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      • sorethumb

         /  May 31, 2018

        Perhaps the ‘State’ reflects civil society? Hence it symbolizes AND represents it’s people’s diverse independent statuses …?
        …..
        I can think of a whole lot of reasons why that may not be true.
        media bias
        Polling by vested interests (versus referenda)
        benefits of immigration concentrated and costs dispersed
        class – leafy suburbs not affected
        Tommy Robinson demonstrates the problem perfectly (and not reported by Economist)

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  3. lurcher1948

     /  May 31, 2018

    Blame it on her sleeping pills…or justs being a racist rightwinger
    https://www.juancole.com/2018/05/roseanne-america-become.html

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  May 31, 2018

      I liked Trump’s comment that ABC was quick to apologise for this one-off and then apologised for insult but never apologises to him for the continuing slanders they propogate.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  May 31, 2018

        propagate

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      • Gezza

         /  May 31, 2018

        Well, he does tell loadsa lies, so if they say that about him they wouldn’t need to apologise. And as he famously loves puerile name-calling & gratuitiously insulting people & media outlets all the time himself he should maybe just shaddup his childish whining.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  May 31, 2018

          I think you mean skilful name-calling and firing back at media people who insult him.

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          • Gezza

             /  May 31, 2018

            No I mean puerile name calling and gratuitously insulting people and media organisations that report it when he lies and exaggerates and bullies which he frequently does and has done for years.

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  May 31, 2018

              Still wearing your blinkers then.

            • Gezza

               /  May 31, 2018

              Still seeing the sun shining out of Trumpy’s butt, then?

            • Gezza

               /  May 31, 2018

              PS: I win again. 👍🏼
              You know it, dude. 😎

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  May 31, 2018

              When I read the other things that Roseanne had said, and that she has a habit of gutlessly deleting scurrilous tweets, I could see why this last one was a tweet too far for the company. What a stupid bitch,

              Trump loves and praises her and this last tweet was addressed to him (or so I heard) He says that ‘she showed us ourselves’ and was delighted at the high ratings of her show.

              But what happened to the freedom of speech and expression upon which the US prides itself, ha ha ?

  4. Blazer

     /  May 31, 2018

    So far those ‘safe pair of hands’=National Party have a legacy of completely destroying the Kiwi Dream,increasing homelessness,making a meal of the Christchurch rebuild,evicting state tenants for spurious reasons,downgrading NZDF,inaction on Micoplasma Bovis,handing out massive amounts of corporate welfare,presiding over a culture of extravagance at SOE’s ,and of course ramping up public debt to never before seen levels.
    Add trashing NZ’s Pure,CLEAN AND GREEN international reputation and trying to sell the country to non resident foreigners,and you have the recipe for a…knighthood.

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    • PartisanZ

       /  May 31, 2018

      Hate to say it Blazer but Fourth and Fifth National continued destroying the Kiwi Dream that Fourth and Fifth Labour had begun destroying …

      Why either of them are still the nation’s dominant political parties is a complete mystery to me.

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  5. lurcher1948

     /  May 31, 2018

    National,SOFT ON CRIME,,NATIONAL applied soft sentances why in power and their attack poodle doesn’t say this….shame national
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/05/meet_a_second_striker.html

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    • Gezza

       /  May 31, 2018

      So you’re writing to Andy Little & Jacinda Ardern saying don’t relax the bail laws or dump the 3 Strikes law because you’re totally opposed to softer sentences, you’d like to see even harsher ones than undwr National, Lurch?

      Can you post a copy of your letter or email here & report back on what they say?

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      • lurcher1948

         /  May 31, 2018

        Have you ever heard of preventive detention G not some theory put together by a failed ACT politician,who committed crimes,law made by a violent ACT MP criminal called David Garrett to keep national in power isnt good law

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        • Gezza

           /  May 31, 2018

          So you’re writing to Andy Little and Jacinda Ardern saying sentencing under National was too soft & you are demanding they change the law so that people who were subject to the 3 Strikes law must be sentenced to Preventive Detention for long periods or forever instead?

          Can you post a copy of your letter or email here & report back on what they say?

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  May 31, 2018

          David Garrett is neither violent nor a criminal, as you would know if you bothered to do a tiny amount of research.

          Someone jumped on him and bashed him; what was he supposed to do ? The whole thing was on CCTV, forsooth. It was a blatant set-up.

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  6. Gezza

     /  May 31, 2018

    Just going to check what Hosking ranted about in Mike’s Minute today. Back soon.

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  7. lurcher1948

     /  May 31, 2018

    I’m listening to larry williams(talk back host)*, a righty working in a wood yard, a bit thick and larry is working with 2 thick planks,a powersaw and everyone knows the right are not the sharpest knives in the draw
    * this is for the thick righties think about it

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    • Corky

       /  May 31, 2018

      I listened to Larry too. The Infometrics economist who said the Regional Fuel Tax may spread to other parts of the country.

      The AA also said what I suggested to Parti. The tax should be reviewed in a years time ( can’t wait).

      Also reported was the government upping rubbish levies to pay for a working group to look at our recycling problem since China banned exports of recycled materials

      All grist for the mill. What was that about ”thick righties, Lurchy?”.

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    • Corky

       /  May 31, 2018

      Lurchy, I know you don’t listen to Mikey anymore so let me relay this to you: a listener texted Mikey this morning and said it must be cold because it’s the first time he’s seen socialists with their hands in their own pockets.

      Boom Boom!

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      • Gezza

         /  May 31, 2018

        Old as the hills that one. Probably Roman. The punchline is …”first time I’ve seen a politician with his hands in his own pockets.”

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  8. lurcher1948

     /  May 31, 2018

    National wants to build prisons, LABOUR plants trees, what is better for people??

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    • Corky

       /  May 31, 2018

      According to Larry..prisoners planting trees.

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    • Gerrit

       /  May 31, 2018

      Both. Lock up offenders and have them in a chain gang planting trees directly after a 5.00am breakfast.

      After lunch they get to attend rehabilitation programs and go into classrooms to learn what society expects from them upon release. In those programs they will instilled skills that enables reintegration into society.

      After dinner some reflective and contemplative hours before lights out at 9pm.

      Win Win all around.

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  9. Griff

     /  May 31, 2018

    Sci fi ?

    No real NASA space dude training in space X Crew Dragon’s mock up.

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