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  1. lurcher1948

     /  June 1, 2018

    Crushers running out of people who want to appear on AM and sit next to her the aggressive school snitch.

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    • Gezza

       /  June 1, 2018

      A force to reckoned with is not an attractive option for a farce to be toyed with.

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  2. Griff

     /  June 1, 2018

    Testing for drugs in workplace likened to testing for meth house contamination

    On Thursday Wendy Allison – director of drug testing group KnowYourStuff – tweeted: “Anyone who’s outraged about the methamphetamine contamination scam should probably also look at the lack of evidence supporting workplace drug testing.”

    Allison said much of the research backing workplace drug testing was either out of date or based on findings for alcohol only – not other drugs – and that claims about workplace testing needed to be critically explored.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/104367917/Testing-for-drugs-in-workplace-likened-to-testing-for-meth-house-contamination

    You can get totally wasted on alcohol and P Friday night, be obviously unfit to work Monday. Yet still pass a drug test .
    On the other hand.
    Take just a little cannabis have no measurable impairment at all and still fail a drug test up to one month later.
    Work place drug testing should be based on science not conservative feelz.
    There is no evidence that cannabis impairs your ability to work after the high has worn off in four hours or so after use.
    You definitely can not say the same for alcohol or P . It is called a hangover and can still effect users long after the drug has left their system.

    Base drug law on facts not feelz….

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    • Gezza

       /  June 1, 2018

      There is no evidence that cannabis impairs your ability to work after the high has worn off in four hours or so after use.
      Absolutely right in my own experience.

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    • PartisanZ

       /  June 1, 2018

      To say nothing of the much more pervasive impairment, physical and psychological damage from long term use of alcohol and P …

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  3. Corky

     /  June 1, 2018

    Mikey had his bloods done yesterday. He’s super healthy. However, he has run foul of nurses by suggesting they take the 9% wage offer. He claims he’s ‘getting it’ on social media, with one person sending nasty posts to one of his children. Mikey opined he may’ve had a naive perception of nurses being kind with hearts like Florence Nightingale.

    Rest easy, Mikey. I had similar perceptions many years ago until I became seriously ill. While most nurses are great humans, I was shocked to find a hardcore cartel who were just plain nasty and shouldn’t have been in the profession. I remember on one occasion tottering down the corridor of a blood lab holding onto the wall for support, while the nurse behind was barking ”’can you hurry up, you aren’t the only one waiting for treatment.”

    That experience, however, was a blessing in disguise. I realised such experiences would only be worse for the elderly and infirm. I decided then to do everything in my power to keep myself healthy and hopefully do an Elvis and die at home, on the loo, looking at porn. Anythings better than being ill and experiencing a nurse who is a sadistic bitch.

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    • PartisanZ

       /  June 1, 2018

      I wonder how the nurse perceived you?

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      • Corky

         /  June 1, 2018

        Well, I’m tottering and holding onto the wall. Have a guess. Obviously I was an impediment to her well run clinical processes.

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        • Gezza

           /  June 1, 2018

          Most of the many nurses & doctors I’ve encountered at Welly Hospital have been brilliant, really nice, really respectful people – although it’s such a United Nations there you sometimes have to ask a small number of them “I’m sorry, could you say that again, I didn’t understand you” because of their accent.

          Still makes me smile remembering being in an ED cubicle with my late lady around midnight once & we’d struggled to understand the accent of an Indian lady on the admisdions desk. After quite a long wait a nurse popped in to say that a doctor Perkins be would along shortly & my wife said “Oh good, at least we’ll be able to understand him!”

          When he turned up, he was visting from England. I can’t remember exactly where there he came from, but wherever it was his accent was so broad & strong he was virtually unintelligible! 😀

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          • Gezza

             /  June 1, 2018

            I will add, though, that:

            1. over the 10 years we had to be regular visitors to Welly hospital, the numbers of doctors & nurses seemed to drop & it wasn’t a good place to be on weekends or at night because it took over an hour to get a doctor there if you needed one
            2. as the numbers dropped so did the standard of attention from nurses as they seemed more overworked & we did encounter grumpy ones.
            3. you never get much sleep & the contractor’s food was shit & lukewarm, if that. The Hospital Kitchen & delivery staff when they used to have a Kitchen their were vastly superior.
            4. visitors’ kids often ran riot: no staff member seemed allowed to shush them & parents didn’t. It’s stressful if you’re really unwell to have to put up with that racket.
            5. my wife got constantly asked to do things she wasn’t physically capable of doing because nurses don’t have time to read up on all their patients.

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    • Blazer

       /  June 1, 2018

      ‘do an Elvis and die at home, ‘…..choking on a raspberry…bun.

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      • Corky

         /  June 1, 2018

        Beats crying over another losing lotto ticket….and fading chances of joining the idle..rich!

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  June 1, 2018

          Elvis’s death on the dunny was totally lacking in dignity. I hadn’t heard about him watching porn as he was sitting on the dunny, and am sceptical about the porn, but his death was not one that many people would want to emulate.

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  June 1, 2018

            I hope that I never know who the two are who do want to emulate it.

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  June 1, 2018

              I mean, emulate dying in middle-age, grossly overweight and with their bodies overloaded with eyewatering amounts of prescription drugs, alone in the dunny…I can think of many ways that I’d rather die.But to each his own.

  4. Corky

     /  June 1, 2018

    Oh, Wheel Of Misfortune, tell me which spin will blow Labour away:

    1-Regional Fuel Tax.
    2-Someone murdered by the hands of a criminal on HD.
    3- An empty cupboard with mouldy crumbs left over from worthless budget bread.

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  5. Joe Bloggs

     /  June 1, 2018

    The perfect response from Sally Field to that naughty Samantha Bee’s tacky insult. OMG I love Sally Field. She clearly is in her “I don’t give a fuck years,” and that’s just wonderful.

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    • High Flying Duck

       /  June 1, 2018

      Yeah, on ya sally – attack Melania because…Trump. Keeping it classy.

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      • Blazer

         /  June 1, 2018

        ‘Cunts are powerful, beautiful, nurturing and honest.’…on that basis no one will take offence on being called one..then.

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      • Patzcuaro

         /  June 1, 2018

        ?

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        • Blazer

           /  June 1, 2018

          Sally Field

          @sally_field
          I like Samantha Bee a lot, but she is flat wrong to call Ivanka a cunt.

          Cunts are powerful, beautiful, nurturing and honest.

          7:05 AM – Jun 1, 2018

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          • Gezza

             /  June 1, 2018

            He’s replying to HFD. It’s not always about you, B.

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            • Blazer

               /  June 1, 2018

              the irony of you posting to …say that…probably lost on you.

            • Gezza

               /  June 1, 2018

              Not at all brother! 😀
              What surprised me was how long it took you to say that! 👍🏼

        • High Flying Duck

           /  June 1, 2018

          Patz – Melania was called a c@#$. Sally says that’s wrong because c@#$’s are powerful, beautiful, nurturing and honest. Obvious inference – Melania is not.
          I assume she’s not because…Trump.
          Samantha at least had the grace to abjectly apologise.

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          • Patzcuaro

             /  June 1, 2018

            Not a lot of upside to calling one that c word.

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            • High Flying Duck

               /  June 1, 2018

              A bit slow today – I assume you were questioning why I said Melania. I was rushed and didn’t spot it was Ivanka.

      • Joe Bloggs

         /  June 1, 2018

        This one’s for you HFD, keeping it classy:

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    • PDB

       /  June 1, 2018

      Bloggs: “OMG I love Sally Field. She clearly is in her “I don’t give a fuck years,” and that’s just wonderful.”

      That’s not true considering she’s had so many facelifts her ‘cunt’ is now where her mouth used to be & it appears to need some disinfecting.

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      • Joe Bloggs

         /  June 1, 2018

        What better way for women to dismantle misogyny than to redefine the tools of misogyny. A word that describes a female body part and has a negative connotation was used by a female and described as “powerful, beautiful, nurturing and honest”. I don’t see hate or ugliness in that.

        When you justify grabbing women by the pussy, you don’t get to be offended by Samantha Bee’s use of the c-word. Or Sally Fields’. And almost the entire Republican Party did justify trump’s pussy-grabbing comment or came around to justifying/enabling it.

        Is sexual assault against women such a small issue that we can play games and allow the trump administration to play outraged victims over a comedian’s word, while dismissing the lawsuits against trump and accusations of sexual assault in addition to his own admission and his own ex-wife’s recounting of his abuse in her book? Sexual assault is a crime. Name calling is not.

        Sexual assault is worse than using the c-word. Always will be.

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        • PDB

           /  June 1, 2018

          I couldn’t give two shits about Trump so save your breath – Sally Field obviously isn’t in her “I don’t give a fuck years” as you say considering she is trying her best to look decades younger.

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        • PDB

           /  June 1, 2018

          Not to mention that what she said is a decades old saying of differing forms and not very original.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  June 1, 2018

          Flatulent excuses and diversions.

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          • PartisanZ

             /  June 1, 2018

            To whom do you refer Alan? PDB? Or Joe Bloggs?

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  June 1, 2018

              Dick and prick are insults, too. I don’t know why the genitals are used as insults, but they are. Calling someone a dick, prick, cunt, twat or arsehole will never be seen as a compliment.

            • Gezza

               /  June 1, 2018

              No, but me calling Trump any if those would mean I was finally starting to go easy on him. 😐

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  June 1, 2018

              How about a whoreson, beetle-headed, flap-eared knave or a rump-fed ronion ? Or a whoreson upright rabbit or the son and heir of a mongrel bitch ? Bed-breaker,horseback breaker, this huge hill of flesh ? (He) wears his wits in his belly and his guts in his head ?

              Or you could say ‘The devil damn thee black, thou cream-faced loon ! Where got’st thou that goose look ?’

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  June 1, 2018

              It is so unlikely that Samantha Bee meant it as a compliment in the context that one can rule it out.

              I can’t see any resemblance between this and Roseanne Barr’s repeated abusive remarks like sayng that someone’s mother was a gorilla who had sex with a terrorist ! One was a spontaneous rude word, the others were calculated hate speech.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  June 1, 2018

              If I meant PDB I would have replied to his comment instead of Joe’s.

            • Gezza

               /  June 1, 2018

              Kitty! I see you are still fond of quoting Shakers The Rude! 😠

        • PartisanZ

           /  June 3, 2018

          @Alan – “If I meant PDB I would have replied to his comment instead of Joe’s.”

          That explains it then. Joe Bloggs could speak undeniable truth and you would respond in exactly the same way … a Blogg-standard retort you might say …

          Indeed, I propose that’s exactly what happened …

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  6. Corky

     /  June 1, 2018

    Lady, if I was you I’d hightail it out of Aotearoa before the hate starts.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12061498

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    • Gezza

       /  June 1, 2018

      Sounds like she gets results by setting expected standards of behaviour and consistently applying consequences – and the kids thrive. Good on her.

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      • High Flying Duck

         /  June 1, 2018

        No, she’s obviously rubbish – she works at a charter school.

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  7. PartisanZ

     /  June 1, 2018

    Corky, it looks like she’s destined to move in circles where dissent and alternative, progressive thinking will not touch her.

    Far out … Bairds ‘Mainfreight’ School …? Is this for real?

    Described on Wiki as “State, Not Integrated … Established 1961, sponsored by Mainfreight since 1993 … ”

    What does that mean … “State, Not Integrated”?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bairds_Mainfreight_Primary_School

    The school’s own website doesn’t call it this … or anything really, other than ‘Bairds Mainfreight School’ … (Probably what I once knew as Baird’s Road Primary?) … They describe their relationship with the community as a “home-school partnership”, but I don’t think they mean ‘home schooling’ in any sense that I understand it.

    What can be gleaned from the website? Well, its clearly a school full of Maori & Pasifika students, being taught by a high majority pakeha teachers, with a majority Pasifika Board and Maori/Pasifika teacher-aides …

    http://www.bmps.school.nz/about-us.html

    Judging from the photos on their ‘2018 Pix’ page the school has a high level of parent participation … with rather an interesting shot of all the brown students kinda ‘coralled’ by the white teachers … (but then ‘coralling’ goes on in every school … is what ‘school’ is?)

    http://www.bmps.school.nz/2018-pix.html

    Very interesting with whom Birbalsingh has chosen to align herself for this ‘Photo Op’ visit to Bairds Mainfreight, the caption of the final Herald photo speaks volumes –

    “Birbalsingh presenting Duffy Books with author Alan Duff (in blue jersey), Bairds Mainfreight School principal Alan Lyth, left, and NZ Initiative chairman Roger Partridge. Photo / Greg Bowker …. What!?

    NZ Initiative Chairman Roger Partridge’s facial expression speaks volumes too IMHO …

    What is he doing there? Standing-in for Owen Glenn?

    “She [Birdalsingh] will tell a seminar for teachers on Saturday that traditional teaching methods work best for students who don’t have the basic “cultural currency” that middle-class kids take for granted … “I believe in the basics – lots of reading, writing and maths” she says.

    “Cultural Currency”? So … Does the reading and writing include Maori, Samoan and Tongan?

    I wonder if the students’ traditional oral languages are taught, catered-for or even recognised … It appears they acknowledge ‘Samoan Language Week’ from their ‘Calendar’ …

    http://www.bmps.school.nz/calendar-2018.html

    It kinda looks like a Right-Wing indoctrination school to rival the supposed Leftism of the remaining entire State system … ?

    Pros and Cons – Arguably good for the kids at BMP?

    And education becomes a Charitocracy ‘Popularity Contest’?

    For instance, if every large corporate put similar funding into the general education pool, every school in the country would benefit … rather than just one school singled-out by one gargantuan company … $750,000 over 20 years … $37,500 per annum … A tax deductible pittance to Mainfreight … Is it enough to purchase ‘branding rights’ to a school …!?

    Just some thoughts …

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    • PartisanZ

       /  June 1, 2018

      The bizarre paradox of neoliberalism … In its ‘freedom of choice’, private market-style Rightness it denies equality of opportunity … which I understood to be one of its core tenets?

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  June 1, 2018

      Mainfreight has been sponsoring Books in Homes for very many years and not just Baird Rd school.

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  8. lurcher1948

     /  June 1, 2018

    On a nearby rightwing blog the host highlights another soft sentence handed down under a NATIONAL govt, the shame of it,NATIONAL+crime=SOFT
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/06/meet_a_second_striker_2.html

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    • PDB

       /  June 1, 2018

      Um….I think you missed the point there Lurch – remove the eyepatch and take another look.

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      • lurcher1948

         /  June 1, 2018

        Where and what???? go back to kiwiblog and the Wako posters who HATE LOSS OF POWER ,so PDB where and what

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  9. Griff

     /  June 1, 2018

    State Highway 1 is closed after the crash, near Te Hana. It remained closed this afternoon, with drivers sent on an hour-long detour through Mangawhai.

    Yip had an appointment in Warkworth at 1100 am .
    On the return trip it took me 3 hours to get from Tehana to Mangawhai .
    The dumb coopers should have placed a point,man on duty at kiawaka Mangawhai. rd intersection as the extra traffic resulted in a solid line of cars backed up 20 km all the way to state highway one.

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    • PartisanZ

       /  June 1, 2018

      Point duty …? What is that?

      The Warkworth holiday log-jam could be solved by 2 or 3 cops on point-duty plus turning off the lights at two intersections …

      So why don’t they do it?

      One must conclude that they want the log-jam ,..

      Ammunition for RoNS perhaps?

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      • Griff

         /  June 1, 2018

        Fatal crash out side of Tehana .
        All state highway one traffic going via Mangawhai
        T intersection at Mangawhai village is a cluster with gas station and shops right on it.
        Not holiday traffic to early in the day. Trucks and peploe going about their business.
        Three bloody hours to make a ten minute trip.
        Definition of pointsman
        1 British : a policeman stationed typically at an intersection to direct traffic
        They used to do it all the time
        Haven’t seen one in years to easy to sit in the car and ignore the public’s problems.

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      • Conspiratoor

         /  June 1, 2018

        “The Warkworth holiday log-jam could be solved by 2 or 3 cops on point-duty plus turning off the lights at two intersections …”

        You might be onto something there PZ. But respectively suggest it wouldn’t take 3 cops to turn the lights off. How would cops on point duty solve this? Seems to me there is a chokepoint here. Man or machine, neither can solve it. Tell me more…

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  June 1, 2018

          Three roundabouts with extra lanes would solve most of the problems – if it didn’t take $5M+ and three years for NZTA to build a roundabout.

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          • Conspiratoor

             /  June 1, 2018

            Al, this debate is irrelevant. If you’re planning to be around in the near future you need to brace yourself for the next disruption cycle. The era of private transport as we know it is drawing to a close. Here’s one of the great minds of the 21st century on the subject. RIP Kodak…

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            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  June 1, 2018

              No, that won’t reduce the need for good roading, it will increase it as transportation becomes cheaper. There will be more vehicles travelling, fewer parked and garaged.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  June 1, 2018

              The talk does show how idiotic the Left’s fixation with public rail transport is though.

            • Conspiratoor

               /  June 2, 2018

              Picture a road train Al. Highly efficient. Vehicles travelling bumper to bumper with terabytes of lidar data keeping them inches apart. You want to pass the guy in front, just tap the dash with your iota (crypto card) and your ev rockets past guided by an invisible friend . No farting around playing mind games with the cars around you

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  June 2, 2018

              Yes, road trains will improve efficiency but we will still need good roads and there will be more vehicles on them. There will also be more movements between trips rather than parking up in your garage – the vehicle has to get to the next customer.

            • Conspiratoor

               /  June 2, 2018

              @al yes good roads will underpin this transformation. As well as technology disruption the business model that binds us to car ownership will change. No need for garage or car parks in town, just dial a cage when you need one

        • PartisanZ

           /  June 2, 2018

          @Conspiratoor – “Man or machine, neither can solve it. Tell me more …”

          Sounds like you’ve purposely ‘misconstrued’ what I said in a rather childish sort of way C … (which can also be easily misconstrued) …

          Whoever controls the lights turns them off, in collaboration with the Police, who then provide point duty at the two controlled intersections in Warkworth.

          North/South holiday traffic would have long-durations without being stopped.

          Traffic volumes on the few ‘feeder’ roads – already reduced by MSM/public/mail/social media notices in advance – would have a long wait – perhaps with a kindly Police Officer to inform them so and maybe offer them the opportunity to U-Turn and reconsider their travel? Or U-Turn and assemble at one intersection for maximum chance of being included in the next stoppage of SH1 traffic … These would be as brief as possible, co-ordinated between the two intersections … (by that marvellous device the ‘Walkie-Talkie’ …

          Traffic Officers all over Auckland used to do this daily or twice daily back in the day … Its no big deal …

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          • PartisanZ

             /  June 2, 2018

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          • Conspiratoor

             /  June 2, 2018

            Your condescending ad hom and typically illogical rant aside your last shot is pretty close to the mark …no big deal

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            • PartisanZ

               /  June 3, 2018

              Well … Except for every holiday-time it gets turned into a big deal by the media … and Police and LTSA or whoever controls the lights don’t do a damned thing about it …

  10. lurcher1948

     /  June 1, 2018

    Meth houses and Paula Bennett, where westies and rubbish facts combine…sad for people who listened to the FAILED national party and spent money,FOR NOTHING

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     /  June 1, 2018
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  12. Gezza

     /  June 1, 2018

    1ewes just reported the results of a survey of what kind of job viewers think Winston Peters will do as PM when he takes over the reign soon.

    32% good job
    53% an ok job
    11% a bad job
    04% don’t know/don’t care/who’s Winston Peters/get off my property or I’ll set the dog on you.

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  13. Gezza

     /  June 1, 2018

    Good to see on 1ewes that the government has put regional development money into Northland. Simon was shown complaining it wasn’t enuf & their RoNS money would’ve been better. But then he barks at every passing car & is always negative. Little was the same! What is it about ex-lawyers!

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  June 1, 2018

      Most of it going into state housing or some mysterious “job creation” fund. Looks like extending dependence rather than anything to change that.

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      • Gezza

         /  June 1, 2018

        It’s aspirational.
        Don’t be so exasperational. With Hon Shane Geoffery Jones, PCn , FCOTP handling the carefully assesses social-investment-oriented allocation of Provincial Growth Funds – think of how many of his nephs will now get off their couches & do stuff.

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  14. Gezza

     /  June 1, 2018
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