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  1. David

     /  June 2, 2018

    Brilliant negotiating from Trump and the meeting is back on, truly the best foreign policy president since Reagan.
    Waiting now for all those folk who said Trump stuffed it up to admit now how well Trump played this.

    • Gezza

       /  June 2, 2018

      I might be coming round to your way of thinkng on this but it’s also clear Kim is a Master of Diplomacy himself so far, & I think Xi is ahead on points behind the scenes.

      • David

         /  June 2, 2018

        Trump has often praised Xi and thanked him for his help, I agree that this probably wouldnt happen without China getting on board starting with them supporting Trumps sanctions.
        Trumps letter to Kim pulling out of the deal was very good, come back to the table we can work together it could be a great outcome for you and if not we will bomb you back to the dark ages. Unconventional but effective.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  June 2, 2018

      You’ll wait a long time for most of them, David.

      • David

         /  June 2, 2018

        I think history will judge him more fairly. Hi whole thing is is it good for America and thats it, quite refreshing.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  June 2, 2018

          That’s very dodgy logic.

    • lurcher1948

       /  June 2, 2018

      He will have a sulk and call it off again

  2. David

     /  June 2, 2018

    Surprised there was no coverage of Trumps very positive Right to Try sign off this week, its important and could hopefully have a very positive outcome. There has been a push in the UK from Saatchi who watched his wife die from cancer and she was prevented from trying some experimental drugs that had shown great promise. Big pharma dont like it so good on Trump.
    Very cute video too.
    https://www.cnbc.com/video/2018/05/30/president-trump-signs-right-to-try-bill-for-experimental-drugs.html

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  June 2, 2018

      Thalidomide.
      Heroin (used medicinally; JM Barrie had his teeth out with heroin)
      LSD (ditto)

      • David

         /  June 2, 2018

        Right to try is for people who are terminal and have no other option and are trying something when all other options have been exhausted, rather than slipping across the border to Sth America.
        Your list has absolutely zero relevance to the bill and is frankly just stupid, the things you list go through the normal FDA processes because they arnt cures for terminal illnesses. Having said that LSD is now being used through micro dosing and is showing remarkable results as are the initial tests for ecstacy/mdma for veterans with PTSD but you keep the doses limited, if you want to comment you should keep up with what is going on rather than Trump supports it it must be terrible and I must oppose it.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  June 2, 2018

          No, but they were all things that were considered to be safe, and LSD was not used in micro doses at the time. So they are relevant in that sense.

          We have all heard of people being conned by heartless charlatans and killed by people who offer hope to dying people, like the ones who told the parents of a small boy to stop chemo and use their vibrating machine instead.

          Someone I knew went to Brazil for a quack treatment rather than use conventional means for breast cancer. Guess what happened,

          In a litigious society like the US, I hate to think what would happen if these treatments didn’t work and hastened the person’s death.

          • David

             /  June 2, 2018

            With all due respect you are missing the whole thing and despite that you actually make the point that the right to try makes sense, your hatred of Trump stops you seeing the potential in this.
            If you try it in America you are going to have a quality control not typically found in Brazil et al. In a litigeous society like the US you are less likely to have some dodgy charlatan cobbling together something to scam the vulnerable person. A lot of breakthrough drugs are discovered by accident/by product and the FDA process costs millions and millions, people should be sovereign over their own self.
            And people have been micro dosing LSD since the 60s if you follow your history, read up on Suze Randle for an insightful way of making it through the 60s party scene. Read how the cure for stomach ulcers was discovered out of Australia.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  June 2, 2018

              My hatred of Trump doesn’t exist,and even if it did, it would have nothing to do with this issue. I think that he’s an ignorant blowbag, but I don’t hate him. I do have reservations about it being open season for drugs unless some independent research has been done and that would exist no matter who was in favour. Please do not put words in my mouth and attribute things to me that exist only in your mind..

              If you think that countries like the US are less likely to have charlatans, you’re dreaming.It happens.

              Ever heard of Milan Brych ? There have been people passing themselves off as doctors in the US, the UK and here.

              I can’t, of course, remember the name of the people who persuaded the little boy’s parents to have faith in their machine, thus ending his life,

  3. lurcher1948

     /  June 2, 2018

    This is one racist nasty trump loving twitter troll.I have visited her page and her views could be transplanted to a nearby rightwing blog where Obama has been swapped for our PM Jacinda Adern but the same rubbish anti Maori,muslim posts reign. Visit her twitter feed and experience the rights…hatehttps://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/anti-muslim-twitter-troll-amy-mek-mekelburg_us_5b0d9e40e4b0802d69cf0264

  4. lurcher1948

     /  June 2, 2018

    A nearby rightwing blog goes into bat for a known unemployed racist, could be pandering to his bogs resident racists and hate posters
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/06/interesting_analysis_on_roseanne.html

    • Corky

       /  June 2, 2018

      May I make a suggestion, Lurchy..forget about the nearby racist blog. Stick with this one and let me educate you into the ways of RIGHT THINK!

    • chrism56

       /  June 2, 2018

      As usual lurcher, you cannot read past the headlines or at least your spin on them. Read the original article by Brendan and DPFs comments. The actually engage your braincells about what the meaning of the words are.

  5. Corky

     /  June 2, 2018

    Heard a commentator make an interesting point this morning. Basically he said the urban view of farmers has been driven by Green and media negative narratives of a rapacious and uncaring farming community.

    Micoplasma Bovis has change that. Urban folk are becoming used to seeing the human side of farming- the caring for animals. The emotion of watch their herd culled. The stress. In other words everything Greens would say farmers aren’t, or cannot be.

    It will be interesting to see if the present negative attitude towards farmers and
    their industry changes long term.

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  June 2, 2018

      ‘To generalise is to be an idiot.’ William Blake.

      So is putting words in people’s mouths and saying what they are supposedly thinking.

      • Corky

         /  June 2, 2018

        You need to expand on your commentary so my intellect can grasp the import of your augment

        In other words, expand on the word ”generalise” so I can understand what your conclusion concludes.. And whether said conclusion is correct, or as usual, is a tortured disconnect of logical deduction.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  June 2, 2018

          Look it up in the dictionary, if you own one.

          I wouldn’t have thought that it was a challenge to even the feeblest intellect.

          Your habit of personal abuse is showing again, which is no surprise.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  June 2, 2018

          Augment is a verb, not a noun. Your first sentence makes no sense.

          I can’t be bothered to explain things in words of one syllable and spell them out for you, especially as I am certain that you are doing this to try to look clever.

          • Corky

             /  June 2, 2018

            ”Augment is a verb, not a noun. Your first sentence makes no sense.”

            You know, or could have guessed, the word is ” argument.” I made a mistake.

            I guess you are point scoring and have no interest in debate. Enough said.

          • MaureenW

             /  June 2, 2018

            Kitty specialises in correcting obvious typos and grammar – makes her feel she has something important to do. Just humour her and leave a few deliberately .. she’ll love you for it

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  June 2, 2018

              There’s no need to do it deliberately, the literacy standard of some people is decidedly low and they drop themselves in it every time they sit down at a keyboard.

            • Gezza

               /  June 2, 2018

              To be fair, with me, it’s mostly this feckin iPad – it’s hard to proof read one-finger typing with only 1/3rd of a small screen & the on-screen keyboard so sometimes I just get over-excited & only spot balls-ups after I’ve hit “post comment”.

              Then I’m banging “cancel” & swearing like you wouldn’t believe, but it’s hopeless – it’s too damn slow to react & the typo-ridden disaster appears before my eyes on YNZ.

              And I just know Corky’s going “Ha ha nit-picky bastard! Serves you bloody right!”, even when he doesn’t say it, & I bloody hate that ! 😠

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  June 2, 2018

        Blake’s generalisation wa intended to self-reference?

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  June 2, 2018

          was

          • Gezza

             /  June 2, 2018

            Kitty – Corky says he doesn’t get what your point is. It’s too obscure.
            (I know where he’s coming from, I must say.)

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  June 2, 2018

          Of course not.

  6. Corky

     /  June 2, 2018

    An endless wave of hate, murder and racism continues to engulf the West. Most isn’t reported. Maybe it’s not news anymore.

    Free Tommy now.

    https://www.jihadwatch.org/

    • Gezza

       /  June 2, 2018

      It mostly doesn’t make the news.

    • Griff

       /  June 2, 2018

      When the nice man in a wig gives you a suspended sentence you better behave.
      What you dont do is repeat what you got the superseded sentence for.
      If you do and the nice man in a wig finds out the sentence is activated .
      Cant say the smegwit was not warned that his behavour was in contempt of court .
      In England as in New Zealand you are innocent until proven guilty and have a right to a fair trial.
      What the far right nutter was doing could have prejudiced said trial allowing those charged to get off due to his actions.

      • Corky

         /  June 2, 2018

        He broke curfew..an offence, that’s true. The rest of your rant has been covered and needs no comment.

  7. sorethumb

     /  June 2, 2018

    Trans woman files human rights complaint against Canadian spa that refused to wax her

    The complainant said she had first called to inquire whether the spa welcomed trans women back in March. According to CTV News Windsor, she was told a manager would get in touch with her.

    Later, she was allegedly told by manager Jason Carruthers that Mad Wax didn’t provide waxing services for men, and that the waxing artist was a Muslim woman who was uncomfortable working on male parts.
    https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/05/21/trans-woman-human-rights-complaint-canada-spa/

    • Blazer

       /  June 2, 2018

      someone needs a stiff talking..to.

    • David

       /  June 2, 2018

      Sooner or later the world of the left and identity politics has to grind to a halt and leaves a generation just staring at each other wondering what the fuck to do.

  8. sorethumb

     /  June 2, 2018

  9. PartisanZ

     /  June 2, 2018

    “I was training to be a psychopath and I failed …”

    ‘Ex-Illuminati Banker Exposes Elite – Ronald Bernard (Whole Bottle of Red Pills here)’

    A somewhat sensational title, fairly straightforward until about 25.00 …

    I wonder if John Key’s old ‘Currency Trader’ jobs were anything like this?

    • PartisanZ

       /  June 2, 2018

      Another imminently sensible commentator – and another sensationalist title …

    • Gezza

       /  June 2, 2018

      Yup. You definitely seem to be on Alex Jones’s wavelength.

      • PartisanZ

         /  June 3, 2018

        How does almost anyone get people to view &/or read their material nowadays …?

        Sensational ‘headlines’ is one tried and true method …

        “Jones has been the center of many controversies, including his promotion of Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting conspiracy theories,and his aggressive opposition to gun control in a debate with Piers Morgan. He has accused the US government of being involved in the Oklahoma City bombing, the September 11 attacks, and the filming of fake Moon landings to hide NASA’s secret technology.

        He has claimed that several governments and big business have colluded to create a “New World Order” through “manufactured economic crises, sophisticated surveillance tech and—above all—inside-job terror attacks that fuel exploitable hysteria”. Jones has described himself as a libertarian and paleoconservative, and has been described by others as conservative, right-wing, alt-right and far-right.” – Wikipedia

        Oh Yeah Gezza … that’s me to a ‘T’! You have such a finely-tuned perception of human personality traits and political affiliation … I’d take my hat off to you if I was wearing one!

        I think of myself as being a little like Griff has described himself – although I dare say Griff won’t like this – I’m Liberal on some things, Conservative on others, Centre on some and Progressive on many … That’s why I supported TOP last election … “Not Right, Not Left … What Works” … [and even that involved some compromise … although not as much as most other voters … notably National ‘socialist’ voters] …

        Ultimately I believe the world could be organised along quite different lines to what it is now – based on ethics – and that possibly the single most important ingredient in such a ‘realignment’ is our attitude/addiction to money … and money-greed … and its pseudo-science ‘economics’ …

        “We might conceive of a new kind of money, which is allotted equally to all, but is only ‘current’ [currency] for a certain time, and therefore cannot be stored-up as capital” – Frank E Warner, ‘Future of Man’, London (1944).

        I bet Alex Jones would love that eh?

        • Gezza

           /  June 3, 2018

          Who knows. Alex Jones is fundamentally a fucken fruitcake who’s made a fortune off anyone who thinks there’s a conspiracy of any kind going on anywhere.

  10. Gezza

     /  June 2, 2018

    Today’s google doodle is Heinz Sielmann – another bird lover & filmer: 👍🏼
    🐣🐧🐦🐔🐓🦃🕊 📹 📸

    Another Avian Aviation Authority, no doubt. 👌🏽 👏🏼

  11. lurcher1948

     /  June 2, 2018

    • PartisanZ

       /  June 3, 2018

      15 “comrades” in 7 minutes … Not bad huh?

      How many are required for automatic ‘sectioning’ to a Capitalist retraining camp?