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  1. Traveller

     /  June 3, 2018

    ‘Cunning, deceitful savages’: 200 years of Māori bad press’

    A bit all over the place but instructive nonetheless. Philip Mathews in STUFF today chronicles European perception of Māori. Cringeworthy but historically accurate

    https://i.stuff.co.nz/life-style/103871652/cunning-deceitful-savages-200-years-of-mori-bad-press

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    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  June 3, 2018

      But selectively unbalanced of course. You could produce the same catalogue of denigration about men, women, royalty or dogs.

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      • Gezza

         /  June 3, 2018

        Off you go then. Pick one & post it.

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  June 3, 2018

          Better things to do and the rain has stopped. Time to walk the dogs.

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          • Gezza

             /  June 3, 2018

            Good. That’ll stop you moaning on here for a while. 😎

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            • Gezza

               /  June 3, 2018

              PS: It’s not raining in North Welly and there’s no wind.
              Be nice to see some sun though.

            • Griff

               /  June 3, 2018

              It pissing down here in kaiwaka
              They just graded the road and its flooded out again.
              FFS if you have to drive in this please be careful there is a lot of surface water on state highway one.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  June 3, 2018

              We’ve got a bit of sun. Ground is very wet though. We’ve had a drenching as it poured down for 24 hrs. Got to tackle those heaters now if the rain holds off.

          • sorethumb

             /  June 3, 2018

            You look down on Dogs don’t you Alan? – I’ll bet you keep them outside (in door- lees houses)?

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            • NOEL

               /  June 3, 2018

              Doesn’t everyone look down on dogs. Except maybe a face licking great dane.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  June 3, 2018

              A recent friend visiting commented that our place is a five star hotel for dogs – maybe six. Didn’t stop him cuddling them though.

            • Gezza

               /  June 3, 2018

              They run the place. You’re servants. Especially of Tinks. 😀

            • Gezza

               /  June 3, 2018

              She thinks everybody else but her and you are peasants.

      • PartisanZ

         /  June 3, 2018

        @Alan – “You could produce the same catalogue of denigration about men, women, royalty or dogs.”

        You didn’t mention Pakeha Alan … ?

        Cunning, deceitful, duplicitous ‘civilized’ colonisers: 200 years of Pakeha good press … or ‘fake news’ …

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        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  June 3, 2018

          Left it for you, PZ. No need to steal your thunder. Go for it. I’m sure you’ll find plenty of material from way back to the present.

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        • sorethumb

           /  June 3, 2018

          Cunning, deceitful, duplicitous. history records some Maori acting like that.

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          • Corky

             /  June 3, 2018

            Yes, individual Maori selling tribal land unbeknown to the Pakeha purchaser, or for that matter, the tribe.

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          • PartisanZ

             /  June 3, 2018

            sorethumb – ” … history records some Maori acting like that.”

            Well, actually, not “history” …

            The self-same cunning, deceitful, duplicitous Pakeha recorded some Maori acting like that … in relation to them, Pakeha …

            So maybe some Maori learned it from Pakeha?

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  June 3, 2018

          I have read plenty of derogatory anti-Pakeha writings,

          It would indeed be possible, if someone had nothing better to do, to make a selective 200 years of derogatory/sexist/racist……about many people, and make it seem that that was the only way that they were portrayed in that time.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  June 3, 2018

      SOME Pakeha perception, Philip.

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  2. Corky

     /  June 3, 2018

    Sensible Sentencing Trust has sent Andy a clear message. I doubt the message will register. These merry socialists may instinctively know they’re one term wonders and are moving swiftly to make changes to the fabric of our country before being chopped by voters.

    Please 2020, roll on.

    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1806/S00014/poll-confirms-strong-public-support-for-three-strikes.htm

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  3. Corky

     /  June 3, 2018

    Why indeed? My guess ( and it’s a guess, Kitty) is she’s perceived as one of the boys on a subconscious level. But really, can you ever know the mind of a cunning socialist? Maybe they are trying to patronise her before she becomes Nationals leader.

    https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2018/06/why-do-labour-ministers-feel-the-need-to-man-handle-judith-collins/

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  June 3, 2018

      I am not at all interested in your guesses about anything.

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      • Corky

         /  June 3, 2018

        I know you aren’t. As long as you leave it at that everything is fine. It’s when you start explaining that things turns to custard….unnecessarily.

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        • Kitty Catkin

           /  June 3, 2018

          Well, yes, when someone like you can’t or won’t understand a simple statement, that’s inevitable, I suppose. Full marks for working out where your behaviour leads to, let’s hope that you act upon it.

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          • Gezza

             /  June 3, 2018

            Get a room you two.

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            • Kitty Catkin

               /  June 3, 2018

              When someone asks for something, it’s polite to give it to them, and poor old Corks does ask for it 😀 😀 😀 He never sees it coming.:D

            • Corky

               /  June 3, 2018

              Never sees it coming,eh. I guess, like the tourist never saw the double charge for some tourist attractions coming.

            • Gezza

               /  June 3, 2018

              Yeah I saw the double charge for some tourist attractions item on 1ewes last nite. But is that a bad thing Corks? Still only half for the resident populati. Had no idea taxpayers were subsidising the visitors as much as we are.

              And if you want to visit the Waitangi Treaty grounds – if you’re a local its $5 – if you’re manuhiri from out of the rohe or someone from overseas, it’s $20. – a quadruple charge.

              Doesn’t seem to stop itinerant peasants from going and having a gawk & I didn’t see any freedom campers pooing in the car park.

    • Gezza

       /  June 3, 2018

      Seems simple enuf to me.They like a strong woman. She’s a smart cookie, and opposites attract.

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  4. Corky

     /  June 3, 2018

    Just watched a poor Pakeha dude get done by Julie Forbes on ” The Hui.” To makes matters worse he saw the train wreck approaching but couldn’t think cleverly enough to deflect her veiled assertion of ” typical shit-stirring racist Pakeha.

    The interview was in relation to a walk track being developed on Temata Peak in Hawke’s Bay. This chap has learn’t a valuable lesson about Maori.

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    • phantom snowflake

       /  June 3, 2018

      Nope, she was born Joanna Forbes, was never Julie. I think it’s time that you stopped repeating misinformation from your boy Cameron.

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      • Corky

         /  June 3, 2018

        Well, I never, Flake, you are right. I never got that info from the Whaler thought. But never mind: allow me to correct my mistake.

        ”Just watched a poor Pakeha dude get done by JOANNA Forbes on ” The Hui.” To makes matters worse he saw the train wreck approaching but couldn’t think cleverly enough to deflect her veiled assertion of ” typical shit-stirring racist Pakeha.

        The interview was in relation to a walk track being developed on Temata Peak in Hawke’s Bay. This chap has learn’t a valuable lesson about Maori.”

        Now, thats made a hell of a difference hasn’t it. But hold on. I was wrong again, she’s now called Mihingarangi…Mihi for short. Being culturally incorrect doesn’t suit you, Flakes.

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        • phantom snowflake

           /  June 3, 2018

          Keep up; she’s been Mihingarangi for over 20 years…

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          • sorethumb

             /  June 3, 2018

            She’s still had a repaint though -a professional Maori?

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          • Corky

             /  June 3, 2018

            Thanks for that. I would never have guessed until I did a Google search like you.

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            • phantom snowflake

               /  June 3, 2018

              Nah, I prefer DuckDuckGo; it doesn’t track you.

            • Corky

               /  June 3, 2018

              It’s own by Google. Someone lead you down the garden path.

            • Corky

               /  June 3, 2018

              *owned*

            • phantom snowflake

               /  June 3, 2018

              No it’s not! A simple Google search will clear the matter up for you lol.

            • Corky

               /  June 3, 2018

              Too true. Google can’t be beat for general work or a quick lookup, in my opinion. However, google is the last engine you’d use for special work.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  June 3, 2018

            You did that on purpose, didn’t you, Phantom ?

            😀 😀 😀

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            • phantom snowflake

               /  June 3, 2018

              Umm, maybe…

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  June 3, 2018

              (gives Phantom an old-fashioned look)

            • Gezza

               /  June 3, 2018

              Um – can you do any other KIND of look? 😉

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  June 3, 2018

              An old-fashioned look is hard to describe, of course. In this case, it’s an ‘Oh, yes ?’ look over the top of the glasses, a sort of what-do-you-take-me-for look.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  June 3, 2018

              Ironic, slightly sceptical, not really disapproving exactly, but a little that way. The weasel on the walkway turned and gave me what can only be described as one; too funny from a weasel.

            • Gezza

               /  June 3, 2018

              Ah yes. I know it.

        • sorethumb

           /  June 3, 2018

          That Hui isn’t on newshub yet.
          It seems to me we are talking identity. A 70 year old tells how she saw the face (?) of the ancestral chief. It doesn’t matter ; it is o.k for people to have myths. Now they are reminded that their association and identity is marginalised – all good, people can relate to that. Where it gets dodgy is when Mutu and Pihama come in with their Maori behind a screen of thought (that only they can enter). The early Maori were always clear in their communications.
          He!

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          • Kitty Catkin

             /  June 3, 2018

            Given that Maori are consulted first upon so many things, that signs are in Maori in many places, that ‘iwi’ have rights that Pakeha don’t, that visiting dignitaries are greeted the Maori way, that there are reserved Maori seats in Parliament and so on, I can’t see much marginisation going on.

            A Waikato lake, manmade, had its name arbitrarily changed to a Maori one. What would be the chances of a Maori name being changed to an English one when it had been named after the people whose property it had been on ?

            A Maori sign was sold, not given, to a local museum and when it was installed had a great fuss made as if it was a wonderful gift and not something for which a lot of money had been paid.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  June 3, 2018

      Outrage seems a bit extreme. I think that it looks a bit silly, and can’t quite see the point, but these people are giving her free publicity.

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    • Corky

       /  June 3, 2018

      Yes, the parents watching on attentively knowing they have educated another generation of Jew hating animals. I wonder about parents who want no bar of this obscenity. It must be hard for them to fain adoration and support? Maybe this is fake news. I mean, these Palestinians are meant to be the equals of Jews in all regards.

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    • Blazer

       /  June 3, 2018

      ‘Those peace loving Palestinians’…yes why can’t they just accept the confiscation of their lands and the mass murder of their people and let…bygones be…bygones!

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  5. lurcher1948

     /  June 3, 2018

    Some like it hot

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    • Corky

       /  June 3, 2018

      The tropical foliage doesn’t like it that hot, Lurchy. I hope not too many native papaya have been lost.

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  6. lurcher1948

     /  June 3, 2018

    Just happy to be alive with my lover my wife and our 3 furry loves

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  7. sorethumb

     /  June 3, 2018

    How did an Australian owned winery get to build a walking track on an iconic landscape without notifying either the Council or Iwi?
    Eh!!!????
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/shows/2018/06/te-mata-debate-exposes-racial-undertones.html
    North and South Korea/ israel vs Palestine Nuclear fuel dump. Kiss my arse.

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    • sorethumb

       /  June 3, 2018

      originally i thought this was a few maori living nearby who were upset. Now it looks like a powerful Iwi with $xxxm in assets and lots of political clout. i wonder how the left feel?

      An ambitious Tukuroirangi Morgan started his presentation with a history lesson at the Taniwha Dragon Economic Summit this week, outlining the extensive industry and shipping infrastructure documented in Tainui control, prior to the 1863 invasion of the Waikato and subsequent land confiscation of 3600sq km.

      His point was Tainui are business people and successful iwi businesses the status quo.
      In 1995 the Government compensated Tainui for confiscated lands with a settlement worth $170 million, with little cash.

      Today Tainui Group Holdings controls $1.2 billion in assets yielding $93m revenue.
      Ngati Kahungunu land loss was death by a thousand cuts, but it too is in renaissance.

      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/the-country/news/article.cfm?c_id=16&objectid=11807082

      Very, very spiritual. Money is God. The Whenua sprouts cash.

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      • PartisanZ

         /  June 3, 2018

        Am I reading this Right?

        So, after all that, you don’t really care that they didn’t notify Council or Iwi … ???

        They – all the parties involved – apparently worship the same Money God you do …?

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  8. sorethumb

     /  June 3, 2018

    Benefits of befriending the dragon – and charity status.
    Maori businesses were significantly more optimistic about the future and collaborating twice as much as non-Maori businesses, he said.

    “That collaboration is leveraging other investment, capital, relationships and channels, allowing them to succeed at a faster rate than non-Maori business.

    “Most important for me is a quarter are now operating internationally. That growth rate is exponential – Maori businesses have a far greater international and global ambition than non-Maori.”
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/the-country/news/article.cfm?c_id=16&objectid=11807082

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  9. lurcher1948

     /  June 3, 2018

    Another 100 year flood in auckland today and this month, time to abandon the cesspit called auckland, hell the blues warriors,and their netball team, a city of losers, and lets go on… weather, traffic and crime and david seymor and the Epson block voting by Sir Key and his rich mates,Avoid the cesspool if you can,WELLINGTON the best city in the world to live in

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    • Gezza

       /  June 3, 2018

      She gets a bit windy, does Welly. Needs to be about 800k further North.

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  10. lurcher1948

     /  June 3, 2018

    Nothing i post today will past so WHAT THE HELL,
    igm
    Any way they can be coerced to attack one of these CoL scum instead of decent hard working law abiding citizens would be great.

    Thumb up 1 Thumb down 0 LOG IN TO REPLY REPORTJUNE 3, 2018 5:03PM

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  11. Gezza

     /  June 3, 2018

    There’s been no wind to speak of in North Welly for the last 3 days but what breeze there is obviously a Southerly because Pookden Manor is on the flight path for aircraft landing. It’s surprising just how busy Welly airport is.

    I’ve been trying to get a few movie clips of the various different aircraft coming in to land – either as they fly overhead or off the livecam in Evans Bay.

    Peak times weekdays seem to be from about 6-9am in the mornings, 11am-2pm afternoons, & 5.30-7pm evenings. At times they’re coming in at 2 minute intervals – I can imagine how busy the air traffic controllers are getting them down and straight off the single main runway.

    You can see how much of the of traffic is AirNZ’s. Rare to see a Jetstar plane coming in. Pretty well all Air All All Blacks. Mostly Airbus A320’s, ATR’s and Bombardier Q300s hard to tell the last two apart at height – but the Bombardier’s nose is longer than the ATRs.

    An orange Jetstar aircraft is a rarity but impressive-looking somehow. A few smaller twin engine jobbies from time to time.

    The Air All Blacks 777’s are really big & seem to come really slowly; they kind of hang in the sky. The size of their engines really stands out.

    I spotted a Quantas jobbie yesterday & it’s up pointing winglets seemed particularly prominent. I couldn’t figure out what sort of aircraft it was but it looks like it was a Boeing 737-800. AAB used to operate a fleet of those – I’d just forgotten.

    Was out at the letterbox in the dark tonite and I could see the landing lights from 3 different aircraft, 2 on approach, and 1 circling to start its landing run.

    On very rare occasions I get lucky enough to see an RNZAF Hercules, generally I hear those first and go outside. Quite a unique engine sound, different from other smaller turbo props.

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  12. sorethumb

     /  June 3, 2018

    Behind the black mask -Antifa
    About one hundred black bloc protesters would be “kettled” and detained three blocks north of the park. In a controversial move, police took their photos, recorded identities, and released them. In an interview with OPB, Portland Police Chief Mike Marshman declared the day a success in that both sides were able to carry out their respective events and “violence, destruction, and arrests were kept to a minimum.”
    https://quillette.com/2018/06/01/behind-mask-inside-black-bloc/

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