Eat less meat

I eat a lot less meat than I did ten-twenty years ago. A lot less.

I enjoyed a very nice meat-less burger at urio Bay yesterday (I admit i didn’t realise it was meatless until i couldn’t find any in it).

But James Shaw wants everyone to consider eating less meat, like one more meatless meal per week. That is unlike to be bad for anyone, and will probably be good for some of us.

Newshub: Climate Change Minister James Shaw wants you to eat less meat

Climate Change Minister James Shaw wants you to stop eating so much meat.

“Ninety-five percent of new Zealanders consume meat, and it is fairly obvious there is a lot of water, a lot of energy and a lot of land use that goes into protein production that way,” the Green Party co-leader told TVNZ’s Q+A.

“If somebody wanted to have an immediate impact, they could eat one less meat meal per week. We’re not encouraging that as a Government. What we’re trying to do is to ensure that there’s settings right across the economy that make sure people are supported, that they’re really clear about the direction of travel, that there are sufficient incentives to support that transition, right?

“And then essentially what consumers do is really up to them.”

This is a good approach – encourage without compulsion.

Mr Shaw says encouraging Kiwis to say no to beef and lamb won’t harm our agriculture-led economy.

“New Zealand has enough land to feed about 40 million people with current production methodologies. We know that the middle classes in China and India and in parts of Europe and so on, there is a huge demand for our food products.”

The study, conducted at the University of Oxford, found while meat only supplies 18 percent of the world’s calories, it takes up 83 percent of farmland and produces more than half the agricultural sector’s emissions.

The most efficiently produced beef takes 36 times more land to produce than peas, according to the research, and created six times the emissions.

So easing back on meat consumption is mostly a good thing.

New Zealand farmers may have to adapt anyway if world meat consumption declines.

75 Comments

  1. Kitty Catkin

     /  June 4, 2018

    I don’t eat meat anyway, but I think that his words will make any difference to those who do eat animals.

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  June 4, 2018

      Hello, Mo’Ron and Idi Ott, Or is that Juan Kerr ?

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  June 4, 2018

      don’t think his words…..

  2. Corky

     /  June 4, 2018

    I’ve gone the opposite way. My meat consumption has increased. There are may vegetarian meats on the market now, some are vert tasty. I could quite easily substitute that for real meat.

    The Problem: Price. $13 for six measly veggie patties. As many people know, going green is not financially viable.

    Plus , to cut back on meat, go vegan or vegetarian, you need to know your nutrition. Omega 3 deficiency, along with B12 and iron may have you dead before a meat guzzler.

    • Corky

       /  June 4, 2018

      *many*

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  June 4, 2018

        Vegetarians don’t generally eat ‘vegetarian meat’ so it it is quite viable financially.

        My meals cost a fraction of what they would if I ate meat.

        • Corky

           /  June 4, 2018

          I’m not a vegetarian. It’s expensive for me.

    • Strong For Life

       /  June 4, 2018

      Six measly vegan patties are pricey but are financially viable if you earn as much as Mr Shaw. The honourable and esteemed Green Party co-leader earns $296,000 plus a generous taxpayer funded superannuation scheme, subsidised flights and other bonuses. The Beehive janitor could not afford vegan patties but Mr Shaw most certainly can. Bon appetit!!

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  June 4, 2018

        Given that Corks has told us that he buys steak and takes pleasure in going down to the section where mince etc are sold so as to try to make the people there jealous (does he wave it in the faces and say ‘Nyer, nyer, look what I’VE got ?) I can’t see how he can find vegetables more expensive than meat.

        • Corky

           /  June 4, 2018

          Check your B12 and Omega 3 levels. Most vegetarians are deficient. That explains their pale skin, shallow complexion, lack of stamina and high pitched voices. Bloated overweightness can ironically also be a problem.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  June 4, 2018

            Shallow complexion ? I have seen sallow complexions. What’s a shallow one ?

            Bloated fatness is seen in meat-eaters quite often.

            Whatever you imagine vegetarians to look like – and they mostly don’t, of course – has nothing to do with your thinking that other people are interested in what’s in your shopping trolley.

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  June 4, 2018

            Check your own, and learn the difference between vegan and vegetarian.

            Being a vegetarian does not mean automatic Vitamin B12 and Omega3 deficiencies ; the first is a myth, Nor do the symptoms you describe indicate that people are vegan or vegetarian.

            • Corky

               /  June 5, 2018

              I’m afraid you are seriously misinformed. I have had my levels checked. You haven’t..maybe you should. That includes your Vitamin D levels that would also be just adequate at best.

              Check out this voice.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  June 5, 2018

              Informed ? By whom ? You aren’t that interesting.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  June 5, 2018

              Mind your own business, and don’t try to put words in my mouth.

            • Corky

               /  June 5, 2018

              Can’t hack the science..by a doctor? Let’s debate…or is the above nastiness all you have?

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  June 5, 2018

              Oh, go away and stop being a pest, Nobody likes a smartarse, and nobody’s interested in your levels of anything.

            • Corky

               /  June 5, 2018

              I’m not being smart. You posted. I answered with science.

            • phantom snowflake

               /  June 5, 2018

              Hi Corky. Previously you repeated the myth about vegetarians being prone to Iron deficiency. The truth is that there are so many plant-based sources of Iron that it would be very difficult for a vegetarian to be Iron deficient; they would virtually have to consume a “chips and chocolate” kind of diet. Just a few of the many sources: legumes, nuts, seeds, leafy green vegetables. My favourite is raw parsley. It grows like a weed, and as well as containing a reasonable amount of Iron it also has Vitamin C which aids Iron absorption.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  June 5, 2018

              Pearls before swine, Phantom.

              Anyone who thinks that that drivel is science won’t be convinced by the real thing !

            • phantom snowflake

               /  June 5, 2018

              I was remarkably polite!

            • Corky

               /  June 5, 2018

              If I remember correctly I commented on the two forms of iron, of which plant based iron was not as well absorbed as meat based iron.

              Regarding Vitamin C, it’s my belief that VC needs to be supplemented by everyone. Especially given modern food and stressful living.

              A relative of mine had his flu shot today. They also made him take a VC tablet.

            • Corky

               /  June 5, 2018

              Dr. Greger…Kitty.

              ”Anyone who thinks that that drivel is science won’t be convinced by the real thing !”

              In fact the good doctor doesn’t eat meat. He believes in plants.

            • phantom snowflake

               /  June 5, 2018

              Omega 3 deficiency, along with B12 and iron may have you dead before a meat guzzler.” Misinformation, particularly where Iron is concerned.

            • Corky

               /  June 5, 2018

              Not true. You obviously haven’t looked at the video. Repeat. Iron from plants is not as well absorbed, and the mineral profile of plants has decreased with modern framing practices. As for omega three, the same applies for a number of reasons.

              https://tonic.vice.com/en_us/article/gqynxw/the-fatal-flaw-of-the-vegan-diet

              And even with supplements, vegans may still be short of omega 3.

              “Omega 3 deficiency, along with B12 and iron may have you dead before a meat guzzler.”

              That is a reasonable, and factually correct comment to make.

            • phantom snowflake

               /  June 5, 2018

              Ah, the old ‘bait and switch’ eh! I never mentioned vegans, veganism, or vegan diet. As for the “modern framing practices”, I concede that plants may have lower levels of Iron when wooden frames rather than steel ones are used lol…

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  June 5, 2018

              😀 😀 😀

              Checkmate.

            • Corky

               /  June 5, 2018

              Checkmate? I don’t differentiate between vegans or vegetarians. They both don’t eat meat. Seems you have been reduced to inanities, and Kitty to smiley faces.

              Perhaps you guys need more meat in your diet to make up for your ‘deficiencies.’ 😎

              Just sayin.

            • phantom snowflake

               /  June 5, 2018

              Corky: Perhaps it was wrong of me to make fun of your spelling. There are far worse things than the occasional ‘typo’; for example rampant misogyny, racism and Islamophobia.

              Just sayin.

            • Corky

               /  June 6, 2018

              I have no problem with people making fun of my spelling. I encourage it. It speaks not of me..but them. That’s why I don’t use a grammar/spell check app.

              ”there are far worse things than the occasional ‘typo’; for example rampant misogyny, racism and Islamophobia.”

              Now you are talking. I agree. I like to tackle these issues at the times. It’s good calling out racists, traitors and excuse mongers.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  June 6, 2018

              Phantom, he just doesn’t get it. His ego is so inflated that he can’t imagine that you mean him.

            • Corky

               /  June 6, 2018

              Let it go, Kitty. You have been dealt to. Move on. No one is reading you..except me.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  June 6, 2018

              How do you know ?

              Your arguments are weak and faulty.

              Vegetarians and vegans are quite different, You might like to google them.

            • Gezza

               /  June 6, 2018

              Nonsense. I’m very fond of you two & I religiously read all posts from both of you as soon as I see them appear, Corks, to see who I reckon is ahead on points at the time.

              I can’t read your last one though Corks. I click on it determinedly but nothing appears! Must’ve been a ripper! 🙂

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  June 6, 2018

              It was, as usual, nonsense,

              He sees no difference between vegan and vegetarian and has been babbling on about vitamin and iron deficiencies as well as being offensively personal about these o other people, which are none of his damned business.

            • Gezza

               /  June 6, 2018

              Possibly has good intentions – although the evidence is not overwhelming.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  June 6, 2018

              Is a busybody who can’t see when he’s beaten.

            • Gezza

               /  June 6, 2018

              I wondered.

            • Corky

               /  June 6, 2018

              ”He sees no difference between vegan and vegetarian and has been as well as being offensively personal about these o other people, which are none of his damned business.”

              First part, correct. As I stated before, both don’t eat meat. That should be simple enough to understand.

              Babbling on about vitamin and iron deficiencies . That isn’t true. I was giving you scientific facts that you aren’t the least bit interested in. If I didn’t eat meat I would want to know more. You don’t. I find that unusual.

              Being offensively personal about other people. Again I am trying to debate..you are playing to Pete.

              One has to wonder why you are posting? If you want to debate..let’s do it.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  June 7, 2018

              Debate with you ? Dream on, Offensive personal remarks are not debate.

              If you don’t consider your babbling to be such, that’s up to you.

              My diet is none of your business. I don’t want or need advice.

              For the recors; vegetarians don’t eat meat, but vegans eat nothing but vegetables. There is a big difference,

            • Corky

               /  June 7, 2018

              Ok, I give up. You aren’t interested in debating. In fact you are being wilfully obtuse. You have made that clear

              ”For the record; vegetarians don’t eat meat, but vegans eat nothing but vegetables. There is a big difference,”

              If you’d have taken the time to read my comments above, I said:

              ” I don’t differentiate between vegans or vegetarians. They both don’t eat meat. Seems you have been reduced to inanities.”

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  June 7, 2018

              Go AWAY.

  3. Alan Wilkinson

     /  June 4, 2018

    Anyone who claims meat produces more emissions than peas has never stood behind Sir Gerald.

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  June 4, 2018

      Someone had to say it 😀

      • Gezza

         /  June 4, 2018

        Not a great fan of peas. Don’t hate em, but really prefer the tubers, cruciforms & green leafies. Gotta have either meat, fish or mushrooms with em though.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  June 4, 2018

          What about cauliflower and cabbage (a most underrated vegetable, I think ) ?

          • Gezza

             /  June 4, 2018

            Yes my mistake apologies – I meant cruciferous.
            Cruciferous vegetables are vegetables of the family Brassicaceae (also called Cruciferae) with many genera, species, and cultivars being raised for food production such as cauliflower, cabbage, garden cress, bok choy, broccoli, Brussels sprouts and similar green leaf vegetables.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  June 4, 2018

              I was none the wiser, anyway, so didn’t notice any errors.

              Cauliflower with cheese sauce ! Raw, fresh cauliflower !

              The dog loves cabbage as well as peas and will eat as much as I am prepared to give him.

              I read that the reason some people dislike broccoli is because their taste buds make it taste horrible to them. It’s not my favourite, I prefer cauliflower.

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  June 5, 2018

      Alan, you said that as a joke, but given that some vegetables do make people fart like carthorses, how do you suppose that the ant-emission brigade get round this ?

      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  June 5, 2018

        Best way is to kill themselves, Kitty. And then be buried in a stainless steel sealed cylinder.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  June 6, 2018

          Wash your mouth out ! They would be buried in a biodegradable container.

          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  June 6, 2018

            No, that would allow decay emissions. Stainless steel would contain them.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  June 7, 2018

              Hmmm….but it needs to be mined and processed. How about deep in the ground under a tree ?

              Tangent; of all the wastes of money, coffins must be the worst, or among the worst. My old man wanted the cheapest, plainest one that he thought would be plain pine. It wasn’t, so I bought the cheapest one they had. Even that had things like fancy handles.

  4. MaureenW

     /  June 4, 2018

    More social engineering twaddle. Right now the price of beef and lamb and fish is enough to drive anyone to salads which I love anyway.
    Personally I prefer Asian styles of food which typically use less meat than European dishes anyway.

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  June 4, 2018

      I had a chickpea, spinach and roast vege salad in a cafe last week. It was really delish. I’d love to know what it was flavoured with.

      I don’t miss meat at all. That salad was so good that it’s hard to imagine anything nicer.

      It dawned on me that the pasta sauces and others like butter chicken can be made with lentils and chickpeas and other beans and (a) cost much less (b) are easier (c) still, of course, have the flavour so you don’t miss the meat..

  5. Zedd

     /  June 4, 2018

    hey good idea..
    when I was in India (many moons ago) i had a month on vegetarian food.. nice for a change indeed

    I thought it would be cheaper to eat vegie/vegan, but ‘it aint necessarily so’ 🙂

  6. Griff

     /  June 4, 2018

    Unfortunately this will be disruptive to our farming economy in the future.
    The call to limit or halt meat and diary production is already loud in Europe.
    My dinner tonight?
    Bacon sandwiches just smell so good.

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  June 4, 2018

      Mine was a lazy one because I had spent the day doing housework and other things,

      I took some pasta from the freezer, just plain, thawed it and put it in two bowls with half a tin of Watties Roast Onion and Garlic tomatoes (special at Pak & Save) in each. One went into the fridge, the other was microed and some cheese melted on top, It was really nice and looked it in its pottery bowl.

      • Gezza

         /  June 4, 2018

        Pasta mostly tastes like puffed cardboard. No wonder the Italians lose all their wars.

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  June 4, 2018

          I don’t know; I’ve never eaten puffed cardboard.

          You did know that you’re supposed to cook it before you eat it ? 😀

          • Gezza

             /  June 4, 2018

            Tasteless stuff, pasta. Just a bulker-upper for other things. Unappetising as all get out.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  June 4, 2018

              Not of it’s done right. Macaroni cheese….talk about comfort food ! 🙂

            • Gezza

               /  June 4, 2018

              Comfort food? Nothing beats my mince on toast!

          • Gezza

             /  June 4, 2018

            They knew what they were doing with pizza though 🙂

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  June 6, 2018

              Did you realise that you were supposed to take pasta out of the packet first ?

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  June 6, 2018

              (runs away very fast, ducking to avoid flying objects)

  7. Alan Wilkinson

     /  June 4, 2018

    Good luck with farming peas or any other crops on much of our hill country. And this shows just how much of that there is:
    https://www.worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/oceania/lgcolor/nzcolor.htm

  8. David

     /  June 4, 2018

    I have been off anything dairy for a few years, feel better health wise and wasnt a big fan of the impact over intensive dairy farming had on the country, dairy farmers and Fonterra have made huge strides since so less of a concern now for me but its my nod to the environment.

  9. Grimm

     /  June 4, 2018

    “Climate Change Minister”

    Has there ever been a more ridiculous job? If he tells us all what to eat, he can control sea levels, save the Great Barrier Reef and save the private jet industry (so he can get to conferences in Switzerland)

    The conceit of the man.

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  June 4, 2018

      You forgot that he can change the weather.

      Does he ever wonder or say what stopped global warming in the past ?

    • Griff

       /  June 4, 2018

      The conceit is yours.
      You think your ignorance means science is wrong.
      The formal name for your lack of logic is.
      https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_from_incredulity

      No one is talking about controlling sea levels.
      That is what is called a straw man argument .
      Another fail when it comes to logic .

      • Grimm

         /  June 4, 2018

        #triggered

        • Kitty Catkin

           /  June 4, 2018

          How DID global warming correct itself in the past ? How did climate change happen ? This was long before the modern age.

        • Griff

           /  June 4, 2018

          ROFL
          Makes a change from going all snowflake again Grimm.
          You dont fool me.
          You only fool yourself .

          Kitty your argument is because we did not do it in the past it can not be us now.

          Imagine a murderers lawyer in court telling the judge ” my client can not have killed than man even though he was standing there with a smoking gun because men have died naturally in the past”

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  June 6, 2018

            That’s a specious argument. The man was was shot, I take it, ergo someone killed him rather than letting him die of natural causes.

            But climate change has been cyclical in the past, ergo it is likely to be it now;