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  1. Gezza

     /  June 4, 2018

    Israel strikes Hamas in Gaza after ‘projectiles’ fired
    2 June 2008

    Israel launched a series of air raids on Palestinian positions in the besieged Gaza Strip, in what it said was in response to rocket fire from the enclave.

    Israeli warplanes hit at least 15 targets belonging to Hamas’ armed wing, the Al Qassam Brigades, the Israeli military said early on Sunday. There were no reports of injuries.

    The attacks targeted at least three Hamas compounds in the northern part of the strip. There was no immediate comment from Hamas on the attacks. The strikes came days into a ceasefire between Hamas and Israel. The truce went into effect on May 30, following one of the worst days of violence in Gaza since the 2014 Israeli assault on the strip.

    On Wednesday, Hamas said that armed groups in the Gaza Strip had agreed to a deal with Israel following a night of air attacks targeting several Hamas and Islamic Jihad positions in the coastal enclave, so long as the “occupier” did the same – referring to Israel.

    Last week, Israel hit more than 35 targets belonging to Hamas and Islamic Jihad, after the Israeli army said Palestinian fighters were behind a “barrage of projectiles” fired from Gaza into southern Israel. The escalation came after Islamic Jihad vowed to take revenge after a deadly attack against its members last month.
    Aljazeera

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    • Hitting PA in the pocket a possibility.

      “Under an economic agreement signed in 1994, Israel transfers tens of millions of dollars to the PA each year, in customs duties levied on goods destined for Palestinian markets that transit through Israeli ports.

      Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Sunday ordered Israel to withhold funds from the Palestinian Authority, in order to compensate farmers living on the Gaza border who have had their crops destroyed by massive fires sparked by flaming kites sent from the Palestinian enclave.
      Netanyahu instructed National Security Council to work on a process that would withhold payments to the Palestinian Authority to offset compensation for the communities living on the Gaza border, who have seen tens of thousands of acres of fields and nature reserves destroyed in blazes over the past month and a half.

      It has been estimated that so far 25,000 dunams (6,200 acres) of agricultural land and nature reserves in the area have been destroyed by fire,” she said, which is more than a third of all the land adjacent to the Strip.”

      https://www.timesofisrael.com/pm-orders-funds-withheld-from-pa-to-compensate-victims-of-kite-terror/

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  2. Gezza

     /  June 4, 2018

    In Gaza, grief and pain for slain ‘angel of mercy’ paramedic
    An Israeli sniper shot and killed medical volunteer Razan al-Najjar as she tried to evacuate a wounded protester. At the protest site in Khuza’a, witnesses said that Razan approached the fence on Friday in her medic’s vest and with both of her arms raised to show the Israeli soldiers a 100 yards away that she posed no threat.

    Her intention was to evacuate a wounded protester lying on the other side of the fence, after he had managed to cut a hole through it. Instead, Razan was shot in her chest with live ammunition, the single bullet escaping through a hole in the back of her vest.

    She became the 119th Palestinian to be killed by Israeli forces since the popular protests began calling for the Palestinians’ right of return to the homes from which they were expelled from in 1948. More than 13,000 others have been wounded.
    More…
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/06/gaza-grief-pain-slain-angel-mercy-paramedic-180602143958100.html

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    • David

       /  June 4, 2018

      “Her intention was to evacuate a wounded protester ”

      No it wasn’t.

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    • David

       /  June 4, 2018

      Just for fun;

      “”Then a sniper fired a single shot, which hit Razan directly. The fragments of the bullet wounded three other members of our team.”

      What exactly did they shoot her with, a cannon?

      “”Razan at first didn’t realise she had been shot, but then she started crying out, ‘My back, my back!’ and then she fell on the ground.”

      Shot with cannon shell which injured three others, but she didn’t notice?

      “It was very clear from our uniforms, our vests and medical bags, who we are,”

      Bit of a shame Hamas has on a very frequent basis used exactly these things to camouflage themselves for attacks isn’t it? It’s almost like there is a consequence to this action.

      “In an interview with Al Jazeera on April 20, Razan said that she felt it was her “duty and responsibility” to be present at the protests and help the wounded.”

      Yet her last Facebook post indicates she was there for a very different purpose.

      “”Women are often judged but society has to accept us,” Razan said. “If they don’t want to accept us by choice, they will be forced to accept us. Because we have more strength than any man.””

      Feminists get killed in act of stupidity, that I can believe.

      “Known as the “butterfly bullet”, it explodes upon impact, pulverising tissue, arteries and bone, while causing severe internal injuries.”

      There is no such thing, unless she really was shot with a cannon.

      “She was deliberately and directly killed by an explosive bullet, which is illegal under international law,”

      Last time I checked firing rockets at civilians is also illegal under ‘international law’, didn’t seem to bother this person much.

      “a team of paramedics wearing white medical coats attempting to evacuate the injured”.

      Hamas must have an account at a discount medical supply company, they seem short of everything except medical coats.

      “This is a war crime against health workers and a violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention which gives medics the right to offer their assistance in times of war and peace.”

      As is firing rockets at civilians.

      “According to the World Health Organization, 238 health personnel and 38 ambulances have been targeted by Israeli forces since the start of the Great March of Return movement.”

      Remarkable.

      “Medical workers are #NotATarget!” Nicolay Mladenov, UN special coordinator for the Middle East Peace Process, said in a post on Twitter,”

      Good to see the UN take effective action with a cutting hashtag.

      “Back in Khuza’a, before Razan’s body arrived for the funeral, her father held out her bloodied medic’s vest.
      “This is Razan’s weapon,””

      Yes it was her weapon, what else do you expect from the death cult that is Hamas?

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      • Gezza

         /  June 4, 2018

        Find out the count of dead & wounded Israelis and Palestinians since 1 January 2014.
        Report back?

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        • David

           /  June 4, 2018

          Palestinians stack up their own bodies as a propaganda tool. Israeli protects it’s people. Like I said, Hamas is a death cult.

          Razan al-Najjar’s last Facebook post pointed this out. So proud of ‘martyrdom’.

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          • Gezza

             /  June 4, 2018

            Just the numbers thanks. Not a Netanyahu speech.

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            • David

               /  June 4, 2018

              It’s not a game of numbers.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  June 4, 2018

              Since one side advocates suicide and the other doesn’t, how are you going to interpret the numbers, G?

            • Gezza

               /  June 4, 2018

              Just by adding them up because when they attack Gaza the folk there aren’t committing suicide they’re fighting their attackers back.

            • Gezza

               /  June 4, 2018

              You know – like the Jews did in Warsaw.

            • David

               /  June 4, 2018

              “You know – like the Jews did in Warsaw.”

              Let’s compare shall we?

              The uprising started when 8000 of the 55,000 Jews in the ghetto were to be transported to Treblinka, which was an extermination camp.

              There were around 1,000 ZOB ‘fighters’ in the ghetto, armed with a single machine gun and around 20 rifles, fighting 3000+ German troops who used everything from flamethrowers to Karl-Gerät, a 600mm siege mortar.

              This ended with 400 germans dead, 14,000 jewish civilians killed and another 7,000 transported to Treblinka.

              Can to show me where Israel is doing anything like this? Where are the extermination camps for Palestinians? Where are the ovens?

              Gaza is what it is because Palestinians choose for it to be that.

            • Gezza

               /  June 4, 2018

              Gaza is what it is because Jews came in, kicked thousands of Palestinians and their descendants out, and took over where they lived in Palestine – & they won’t give it back. Now they have them walled into an open air ghetto with an army, air force and navy to attack them with when they fight back. Have you got those numbers yet?

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  June 4, 2018
            • David

               /  June 4, 2018

              “Gaza is what it is because Jews came in, kicked thousands of Palestinians and their descendants out, and took over where they lived in Palestine – & they won’t give it back.”

              I seem to recall there being a UN partition plan and something of a war with Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon and Jordan being involved too. A few other things seem to have happened there at various times too.

              Palestinians are not going to reclaim israel, no matter how many “Great March of Return” there are.

            • Gezza

               /  June 4, 2018

              I seem to recall there being a UN partition plan and something of a war with Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon and Jordan being involved too. A few other things seem to have happened there at various times too.
              ———
              I seem to recall nobody asked the Arabs and they didn’t agree to it. Israelites had it for 300 years (and nicked it off others then too – read your Bible. But was now Arab land. Had been for 1400 years.

              You said yourself, other people have had to accept their lands being taken over – so why didn’t they? That state being forcibly established there 70 years ago has caused so much bloody mischief. They could’ve settled in New York or Utah.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  June 4, 2018

              Palestinians were kicking Jews out of Gaza in the 1920’s. Now they’ve got it all to themselves to enjoy.

            • David

               /  June 4, 2018

              “I seem to recall nobody asked the Arabs and they didn’t agree to it. Israelites had it for 300 years (and nicked it off others then too – read your Bible. But was now Arab land. Had been for 1400 years.”

              It’s not Arab land now is it. If you want to apply this thinking, doesn’t Spain belong to the Moors?

              “That state being forcibly established there 70 years ago has caused so much bloody mischief.”

              How is it any more or less bloody than any other conflict? The total death toll for Palestinians is in the low tens of thousands since 1948, the Sri Lankan Civil War killed several times that and no one cares.

              If you really want someone to blame, it was Cyrus the Great.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  June 4, 2018

              It’s pretty clear from the Wikipedia link I posted that there was a more than adequate amount of bloody mischief going on there before the state was forcibly established and much more forcibly attacked.

            • Gezza

               /  June 4, 2018

              Ah, but people do care about Palestine, David. Cos they’s Arabs. And they’s Muslims. And they’s got long memories. And Israel’s right smack in the middle of the blighters. So if they want peace they are going to have to make them an offer that includes the right of return of the Palestinian diaspora to at least a half of the area.

              The UN created this mess. It should be policing it – both Palestine & Israel. Except the US will never agree to that. Will it. Because of fundies and the Jewish lobby (they don’t want to live there though).

              If they make that offer then maybe other countries than the Israel-biased US can supervise the transfer. Otherwise people like Hamas & Islamic Jihad are going to continue to make this a religious war & not a land one.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  June 4, 2018

              If the Muslim countries that have been hosting the Palestine diaspora for 70 years don’t want them as citizens, why should Israel? And why should Europe take Muslim refugees in as citizens when these countries won’t?

              Almost everything the Palestinians have done has been counter-productive. Maybe everything. It makes no sense to support them when there is no sign that will change.

            • Gezza

               /  June 4, 2018

              Flooding an Arab country with Jews who want to take it over is pretty bloody counter-productive, Al. Look at all the hassles it’s caused the whole bloody region!

            • Gezza

               /  June 4, 2018

              But look I’ll play your game, though, Al.

              What’s your argument for why they should even be there? What justification can you think of?

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  June 4, 2018

              They were dispersed in the Ottoman Empire and elsewhere and needed a home where they were not at risk of serious harm as demonstrated eventually and horrifically by the Nazis. That movement dated back to the 1880s.

              Would you want to live in a Muslim country?

            • David

               /  June 4, 2018

              “Ah, but people do care about Palestine, David. Cos they’s Arabs. And they’s Muslims. ”

              No they don’t. They only care because it’s the jews….

            • Gezza

               /  June 4, 2018

              @ Al – so why couldn’t they have gone to the US – New York say, and bought land there? Instead of pushing the Brits out with Zionist terrorist attacks and taking over Arab land?

              Is there some other reason you think they should be in Palestine?

            • Gezza

               /  June 4, 2018

              Al?

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  June 4, 2018

              The Arabs were also making terrorist attacks and driving Jews out. But the Jews won. And have kept winning thereby making history in the usual way.

            • Gezza

               /  June 4, 2018

              What do you think gives them the right to take someone else’s land though?

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  June 4, 2018

              Successive military defeats. The usual method.

            • Gezza

               /  June 4, 2018

              They’ve not been defeated. In this day and age, why do you support someone invading someone else’s country and taking control of it?

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  June 4, 2018

              Because if you don’t you’ll have endless disputes going back millennia trying to unwind history just as you are trying to do now. There is a reason possession is nine tenths of the law.

            • Gezza

               /  June 4, 2018

              So you think because Yaweh said it was theirs a few of them could just go back and take it, 1400 years after they got pushed out, and that’s the end of the matter?

            • Gezza

               /  June 4, 2018

              It’s pretty clear from the Wikipedia link I posted that there was a more than adequate amount of bloody mischief going on there before the state was forcibly established and much more forcibly attacked.
              – – – – – – – – –
              “This article has multiple issues. Please help improve it or discuss these issues on the talk page. (Learn how and when to remove these template messages)
              – This article’s use of external links may not follow Wikipedia’s policies or guidelines. (August 2016)
              – This article’s factual accuracy may be compromised due to out-of-date information. (March 2017)
              – This article is incomplete. (March 2017)”

  3. Gezza

     /  June 4, 2018

    How the blockade on Qatar failed
    The GCC crisis has inflicted significant financial loss on Qatar, but it has failed to bring it down.

    On the morning of June 5, 2017, Qataris woke up to the shocking news that their country was under blockade. The hostile move came from none other than its Arab neighbours and cofounders of the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC): Saudi Arabia, the UAE, and Bahrain, along with their ally, Egypt. The so-called quartet abruptly cut off diplomatic ties with Qatar and imposed travel and trade bans.

    The “shock and awe” strategy was meant to precipitate the collapse of the Qatari government, or at least its capitulation. Thirteen demands were presented to Qatar. They included shutting down the Al Jazeera media network, reducing diplomatic relations with Iran, and closing a Turkish military base near Doha.

    Qatar was also asked to pay reparations for years of alleged damages caused by its policies to the blockading countries.

    It was disclosed later that the quartet had also considered military action against Qatar but the US Department of Defense, which has its largest military base in the Middle East in Qatar, had warned against it.

    Qatar was taken by surprise by the Saudi-led diplomatic offensive and was unprepared for such a major escalation. However, the blockade largely failed to bring down the country and has made Doha that much more resilient.
    https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/blockade-qatar-failed-180602145011055.html

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  4. Gezza

     /  June 4, 2018

    Qatar Defence Minister: Qatar will not ‘fuel a war’ with Iran
    A senior Qatari official has told an international security conference in Singapore that his country will not be dragged into any conflict with Iran.

    Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Defence Khalid bin Mohammad al-Attiyah said that Qatar has “a lot of differences” with Iran but it does not mean “we go and fuel a war” in the region.

    “Is it wise to call the United States and to call Israel to go and fight Iran? … Whether any third party is trying to push the region or some country in the region to start a war in Iran, this will be very dangerous,” he said.

    He did not name any party was clearly referring to Iran’s rival Saudi Arabia, which has also led a blockade of Qatar with Bahrain, the United Arab Emirates and Egypt (also a shit hole) since June last year, accusing Doha of supporting “extremists” and refusing to cut ties with Tehran.

    Qatar rejects the accusation of supporting groups that are designated “terrorists”.
    “Iran is next door. We should call Iran, put all the files on the table and start to discuss to bring peace rather than war,” he said in a speech.

    Responding to a question on whether Qatar’s air bases could be used to launch airstrikes on Iran, al-Attiyah said that his country was not a “fan of war” and supported engagement and dialogue.

    Qatar is hosting 10,000 US troops stationed at sprawling Al Udeid Air Base as part of its campaign against the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) group and the war in Afghanistan. (Video footage showed even a B52 bomber taking off there – weird – Gezza)
    ———-
    Qatar blockade: Surge in food imports from Iran
    People living in Qatar are unlikely to forget the neighbours willing to lend a hand when they needed it most.
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/06/qatar-blockade-surge-food-imports-iran-180603104252926.html

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  5. Gezza

     /  June 4, 2018

    Slovenia elections: Anti-immigrant party set to make gains

    Half a million people fleeing war and poverty passed through Slovenia in 2015 on their way to Western Europe, and since then migration has been pushed up the electoral agenda.
    A right-wing, anti-immigration party is leading the polls in Slovenia ahead of Sunday’s parliamentary election.

    Half-a-million migrants passed through Slovenia on their way to Western Europe in 2015.

    That thrust immigration into the spotlight, in a country with a population of just two million.

    Al Jazeera’s Emma Hayward reports.
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/06/slovenia-elections-anti-immigrant-party-set-gains-180603060225481.html

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  6. Gezza

     /  June 4, 2018

    Mattis accuses China of ‘intimidation’ in South China Sea
    China criticises ‘irresponsible comments’ on S China Sea policy after Mattis accuses them of ‘coercion’

    4 June 2018
    US Defense Secretary James Mattis has accused China of “intimidation and coercion” in the South China Sea, taking a tough stance on Beijing at a security summit in Singapore.

    Speaking on Saturday at the Shangri-La Dialogue, Mattis said China’s militarisation on man-made islands in the South China Sea “stands in stark contrast to the openness of [US] strategy” and “calls into question China’s broader goals”. He added there would be “consequences” if China does “not find the way to work more collaboratively with all of the nations who have interest”.

    Hours after Mattis spoke, Chinese Lieutenant General He Lei lashed out at “irresponsible comments” on China’s build-up in the South China Sea.

    “Any irresponsible comments from other countries cannot be accepted,” he said at the Shangri-La Dialogue.

    The comments came on the heels of a string of events that highlight the tension between the world’s two biggest economies over the South China Sea’s disputed waters.

    Last Sunday, Beijing protested what it called a “provocation” after US warships came within 12 nautical miles (around 22km) of the disputed Paracel Islands, among a string of islets, reefs and shoals over which China has territorial disputes with its neighbours.

    Earlier that week, the Pentagon withdrew an invitation to China to participate in the world’s largest multinational maritime exercise RIMPAC as “an initial response to China’s continued militarisation of the South China Sea”.
    More …
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/06/mattis-accuses-china-intimidation-south-china-sea-180602064317360.html

    (China had earlier defended its actions, stating that what the US is doing militarily in the region is simply being matched.)

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    • David

       /  June 4, 2018

      The Republican Party has been asleep for decades. They didn’t even have an alternative to Obamacare when the opportunity to repeal it came up.

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      • Blazer

         /  June 4, 2018

        prove this..sounds like b/s…’Final Days’ construct…’There were around 1,000 ZOB ‘fighters’ in the ghetto, armed with a single machine gun and around 20 rifles, fighting 3000+ German troops who used everything from flamethrowers to Karl-Gerät, a 600mm siege mortar.

        This ended with 400 germans dead, 14,000 jewish civilians killed and another 7,000 transported to Treblinka.’

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    • Gezza

       /  June 4, 2018

      Gawd – that was a disappointment. I was expecting 7 minutes worth of discussion, not 0.07 of a second!

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    • duperez

       /  June 4, 2018

      Will it be like the days of yore when we (sort of) go to their rescue?

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    • Missy

       /  June 4, 2018

      Except for the Remain extremists no-one actually believes this, and it has been pretty widely rubbished as project fear part II.

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  10. Blazer

     /  June 4, 2018

    bold moves to stymie property inflation in Vancouver,finally some ‘balls’….

    ‘The New Democrats raised British Columbia’s foreign-buyer tax to 20 per cent of a home’s purchase price, from 15 per cent. (Ontario has a 15 per cent tax.) In addition, the party plans to impose higher property taxes on second homes, on families whose primary breadwinner’s earnings come from money abroad and on homes valued at more than 3 million Canadian dollars ($2.3 million). Vancouver has passed local measures, including a tax on empty homes.

    “There’s no question that many of the measures we are bringing in are bold, but we felt they were critical if we were really going to address this crisis,” Carole James, British Columbia’s finance minister, said in an interview.

    This would seem politically perilous. Two-thirds of Canadians own their homes, roughly the same share as in the US. And Canadians, like Australians, expect to make money from the investment. Yet polls, and interviews with homeowners like Welsh, suggest that Vancouverites are so shocked at the price levels that even homeowners want the market to cool.

    In 2016, the nonprofit Angus Reid Institute in Vancouver found that roughly two-thirds of residents in the metropolitan area wanted home prices to fall, including half of homeowners. More startling was that 1 in 5 homeowners in the survey expressed a desire to see home prices fall by 30 per cent or more.

    No doubt, many voters would think twice about that opinion if home prices actually crashed. Still, respondents “were clearly reacting from a place of deep anxiety, even desperation, about their own or their loved ones’ ability to access the housing market,” said Shachi Kurl, executive director’-C.Douerghty..The Age.

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    • Joe Bloggs

       /  June 4, 2018

      Collusion. / obstruction timeline:

      1. No communication with Russia
      2. No communication *we’re aware of*
      3. No *planned* communication
      4. Planned meeting, but not regarding campaign
      5. Was regarding campaign, but no good info
      6. Trump never knew about meeting
      7. Collusion isn’t crime
      8. No info was used
      9. Trump dictated meeting
      10. Even if crimes happened, Trump can pardon himself.

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      • Alan Wilkinson

         /  June 4, 2018

        Since Republicans will win the Senate easily, your Lefty dreams of impeachment will not happen even if Mueller finally tries to make a case for it. Therefore Trump will continue happily making America great again as per the article and will be re-elected.

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        • Joe Bloggs

           /  June 4, 2018

          With all those Republicans rushing for the exit (perhaps the best polling indicator the GOP is expecting a rout) there’s no guarantee of a November win for the GOP.

          And if the Republicans win the house in November then there’s still no guarantee they’ll back trump in 2020 for a second term.

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          • Alan Wilkinson

             /  June 4, 2018

            There’s no guarantee for anything, but American approval for the direction the nation is heading is at a high that was last touched 5 years ago and prior to that only in 2009:
            https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/direction_of_country-902.html

            And Trump’s approval rating is back to the level when he took office and still trending up:
            https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html

            Considering the hit pieces your Lefty media run on Trump every single day and syndicate around the world, it is quite amazing, isn’t it?

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            • Joe Bloggs

               /  June 4, 2018

              Yes indeed, it’s quite extraordinary to see such commitment to trump.

              I suppose that’s a natural outcome of the collapse of American democracy and the emergence of American tribalism.

              And when a rank tribalist wins the office and governs almost entirely in the interests of the hardest core of his base, it’s hardly surprising that the rest of the populace feels as if it’s under siege.

            • Alan Wilkinson

               /  June 4, 2018

              Your political problem is that, as my original link showed, the base he is governing in the interests of includes many former supporters of the Left including blue collar workers, Blacks and Hispanics.

    • Gezza

       /  June 4, 2018

      Why Trump will be re-elected
      Most likely …
      1. Massive voter fraud.
      2. Collusion with Wikipedia, Alex Jones, some dodgy Saudis, Bibi, Xi, & the Russians – again (It’ll all be in Mueller’s report, just you wait.)
      3. The pack of absolute tosspots & slackarses the Dems have to try a pick a runner from.
      4. Stormy Daniel’s lawyer.

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      • Gezza

         /  June 4, 2018

        PS: Wikipedia should’ve said Wikileaks – but his team will probably collude with them too! They collude with everybody else!
        And did I mention the NRA? 😡

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      • David

         /  June 4, 2018

        “Alex Jones”

        This is fun, Alex Jones has the power to swing a US election. If only Hillary had known!

        “The pack of absolute tosspots & slackarses the Dems have to try a pick a runner from.”

        Which one do you think they will pick, Bernie Sanders corpse, or Elizabeth ‘PowWowChow’ Warren’

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        • Gezza

           /  June 4, 2018

          They need to find a reality tv star with a few clues.
          Not Ozzy Obsbourne.

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      • MaureenW

         /  June 4, 2018

        1 Massive Voter Fraud
        Have you got any evidence of or for this Gezza?
        For a moment there I thought you were being a whiny bitch, but I guess you’ve got something to support your No 1 assertion.

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  11. Missy

     /  June 4, 2018

    In response to a question by Gezza in yesterday’s World Watch please see below for my take on Tommy Robinson.

    Most people are aware of Tommy Robinson’s history as the founder of the English Defence League, which is popularly seen as a far right racist organisation. I don’t know enough to say definitively that is what it is, and from what I have seen it does attract racists but does not appear to have been set up as a racist organisation, and calling it a racist organisation is not different from saying Labour is an anti-semitic organisation. The EDL was officially set up to counter the rise of Radical Islamism in the UK, and its purpose was to fight radical islam not anti muslim, however, this message got lost with some of those that joined to EDL.

    Robinson had been involved in debates with members of the Muslim community on Islam, one of which led to a documentary being filmed when Tommy met Mo (Mo is Mo Answar a Muslim activist and political commentator in the UK). As a result of this he met Maajid Nawaz, founder of Quilliam – a counter-extremism organisation – and as a result he left EDL. This association has soured in recent years.

    I feel that this history is important as much of it feeds the views on him in the UK.

    Robinson now works as an independent journalist for rebel media, (I am not sure if he has any journalistic qualifications), and activist. He regularly posts provocative videos of him confronting Muslims, and filming outside courts during Grooming trials.

    As well as his activism Robinson has been convicted on a number of charges unrelated to his anti islamic work, or membership of the EDL, including fraud and protesting against FIFA.

    His latest arrest, and subsequent imprisonment, is on contempt of court charges. He was live streaming outside a court on a case that had reporting restrictions on it, partly to protect victims and witnesses, and he was arrested and sentenced to a suspended sentence and told if he did it again he would be jailed, so when he did it again he was arrested and imprisoned. Despite what many say he has not a political prisoner and has been jailed for contempt of court.

    And to answer Gezza’s question, in the UK it depends on which side of the divide you are on as to whether he is a hero or villain, those on the left see him as a villain, many on the right see him as a hero, and many of the ordinary working class people see him as a hero.

    Personally I don’t think he is either, he is somewhere in between. Some of what he does with regards to Islamic Extremism is good, but at times he goes too far in his rhetoric in what he says and it plays to the more extreme right wing. I don’t believe he is a full fledged villain as he does raise some issues that some in the UK don’t want to address, but he doesn’t always do it in the right way or within the law.

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    • Gezza

       /  June 4, 2018

      Nicely balanced assessment. Thanks Missy.

      I think he’s a needed voice, if a sometimes ill-judged one. Seems passionate enuf about his cause to not be bothered who joins him as long as the message gets heard.

      He knew he’d be arrested & do jail time. That’s not a coward’s act, or just recklessness, in my view.

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      • Missy

         /  June 4, 2018

        I agree Gezza. He is needed as he does get (some) people talking about issues they really want to ignore, however, at times I think he is ill-judged. The problem with Tommy Robinson in the UK is that some people are not listening to the message but looking at the messenger, and this means that in some cases it is the public missing out. There are a lot worse than Robinson in the UK talking about this issue in a much more confrontational and divisive manner.

        I saw someone over the weekend on social media comment that Tommy Robinson’s younger sister was the victim of a grooming gang, I don’t know if that is true or not (could just be made up BS or an urban legend), but if true it gives context regarding some of his activities.

        Yep, he was fully aware he would do jail time when he defied the Judge this time around, and he pleaded guilty in court as well. I will give him credit, he is not a coward, but at times he is reckless – and in this latest situation I think it was a bit of both!! Also, he does love his country, and what he is doing is to preserve its culture and traditions, so he can’t be faulted for his motivation in my view, just some of his tactics occasionally.

        Just a note on the arrest previously for the protest at FIFA, it was in response to FIFA refusing to allow the England football team where a poppy on their shirts in 2011 for a game that fell around Remembrance Sunday. This is a stance that FIFA has taken over the years claiming it is political.

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        • Gezza

           /  June 4, 2018

          Your last para – yeah well that’s a bit over the top. For the Germans, the Austrians, the Hungarians, the Romanians, Slovakians, Croatians, the Italians, & maybe the Japanese – that’s a reminder they were all defeated in WW2. Not the best idea probably.

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          • Missy

             /  June 4, 2018

            The game was a Euro game being played in the UK on Remembrance weekend, why is it over the top for them to want to wear a poppy? All the sports teams in the UK wear a poppy on their jerseys if they are competing Remembrance weekend, just as we do for Anzac.

            Officials of the other countries you mention have no issue of the wearing of poppies when they attend commemorative events – which they do a lot of during the year – so I don’t see why they would have an issue of the poppy being worn for a football match.

            The poppy is used to remember all of those that have died in all wars, it no longer is specific to WWI or WWII.

            It is not a political statement, and FIFA should not have made out it was. They finally gave in last year and relented to allow the British football teams playing Remembrance weekend wear the poppy.

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            • Gezza

               /  June 4, 2018

              Oh well, in that case if everybody else was happy I guess I don’t have a problem with that either then.

              I have sympathy for his general position. I’m a strong nationalist who believes immigrants should assimilate into the culture of their host country.

            • Missy

               /  June 4, 2018

              It was FIFA that were being bloody minded, not because any other nation complained about the poppy.

              I do to an extent, though I wouldn’t go so far as to say immigrants should assimilate, but rather just integrate – learn the language, accept the values and laws, and participate in a society. I don’t think they should completely give up their own culture, and they shouldn’t live in their own communities refusing to learn the language, and expecting the inhabitants of the country they CHOSE to emigrate to to adjust to fit their culture and beliefs.

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