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8 June 2018

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    • Gezza

       /  June 8, 2018

      “National leader Simon Bridges accused Labour of hypocrisy.

      “Labour sought to kick the crap out of us for somewhat similar sorts of events. Now they’re deep in it.” It was “deeply ironic” that Labour was giving speeches at the venues Robertson was speaking at, Bridges said.

      “All this talk in the election campaign and recently about the squeezed middle and equality and the need to do more with urgency in the way that supposedly – although I disagree – National wasn’t. Then they’re highfalutin it at the fanciest clubs in New Zealand at big prices per plate.”

      Bridges said the average New Zealander probably would not understand what it meant for a minister to be at an event in a personal capacity. “I’m not having the Labour Party on for having fundraising events. Parties do need to do it, and there is a line here that I appreciate is fine, around ministers versus MPs and those Cabinet rules issues,” he said.

      ‘I think the National Party learned a lesson around Cabinet Club and the like and changed our policies accordingly. But [Labour] were the guys who had us on about it. They’re doing the same thing, at high prices, in the fanciest clubs in the land.'”
      . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
      When did National stop doing it?

      • David

         /  June 8, 2018

        When they were criticized by labour and the media over the cabinet club events they stopped doing it.

        • Gezza

           /  June 8, 2018

          No problem then. When these guys are criticised by labour and the media they can stop doing it too.

        • Blazer

           /  June 8, 2018

          they then kept it at a lower profile….stopped using the term…’cabinet club’.

      • lurcher1948

         /  June 8, 2018

        Whose Simon bridges?i thought crusher collins and communist China her partner ran national

        • Gezza

           /  June 8, 2018

          National’s Simon Bridges. The Hon Mrs Collins does not yet quite have her foot on the throat of the National Party.

    • PartisanZ

       /  June 8, 2018

      Hasn’t “hosting business” been par for the course since Rogerednomics?

      If not before … and ultimately who’s sweet-talking and ‘courting’ who?

      It was okay for Fourth Labour to do it? And Fifth Labour, who certainly did? Why not Sixth?

      • PartisanZ

         /  June 8, 2018

        Yes, that should keep the “hypocrite” screaming hypocrites thoroughly engaged …

  1. David

     /  June 8, 2018

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/104542844/mps-consider-recalling-kelvin-davis-to-select-committee-over-vacant-answers

    And NZs biggest export earner has been left in this guys hands, shows how totally shallow the talent pool is.

  2. David

     /  June 8, 2018

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12066348

    And the trifecta. Ardern seems quite happy just to let things tick along under Nationals settings with the occasional mad moment when she impulsively bans something, government by hormones perhaps, or she just chips away at our competitiveness.
    Laziest government I have ever seen but they were a very lazy opposition and the most pressing issue seems to be not putting the boss under any pressure given her condition.

    • PartisanZ

       /  June 8, 2018

      Well look’ee here …

      “Barnett said the Government had to get better at communicating because businesses also acknowledged there was going to be opportunities when topics like infrastructure and housing came up.”

      But woe betide Labour-led if they host business at expensive dinners …

      • David

         /  June 8, 2018

        Interesting you linking government infrastructure opportunities and paying donations to the Labour Party.

        • PartisanZ

           /  June 8, 2018

          David, do you seriously think that I don’t believe Labour-led are selling influence, if not policy itself, just like every other government has done before them?

          They are inescapably part of the austere-welfare-neoliberal stream of inconscience* … no better or worse than any since the Lange/Douglas government … playing different ‘vote buying’ games at the outer periphery of society’s real issues …

          Here’s another example – ‘Brian Fallow: Who said tax was meant to be fair?’

          https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12066124

          They’ve achieved some positives though … notably injecting some hope into the lives of many people largely disenfranchised under National … This is worthy of praise …

          *inconscience – might be new word # 159

      • Gezza

         /  June 8, 2018

        I think the issue is the perception (& who knows, maybe even the reality) of wealthy special interest groups buying influence with the government through these pay as you eat affairs.

        Finance and other Cabinet Ministers attending & speaking at conferences (even if they are “free lunches”) at no fee, where Press are permitted, is a much better look.

  3. lurcher1948

     /  June 8, 2018

    Brave fat white police handcuff a 10 year old boy who pisses himself with fright,they(the cops) shoot you if they feel scared and after all 2 BIG white cops and one little boy…scary
    https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/Video-Shows-Chicago-Police-Handcuffing-10-Year-Old-Boy-484629641.html

    • Kitty Catkin

       /  June 8, 2018

      I don’t wonder that he wet himself, most people would,

      He looks like a teenager…I DON”T think.

    • Corky

       /  June 8, 2018

      Two things, Lurchy. Somethings you may not understand:

      1- That is America. They play for keeps. They don’t have limp wrist cops like us..only poorly trained ones.

      2- Looks like these cops were in the hood. They don’t like ‘Whitey” in the hood. They like ‘popping Whitey’. Anyone can be carrying a gun, from granny to a ten year old kid.

      3- If you were a fat white cop in the hood, I bet you may piss yourself, too. Having been in these hoods, I wouldn’t laugh at you.

      • Gezza

         /  June 8, 2018

        That’s three things.

        • Gezza

           /  June 8, 2018

          Your writing’s good but your maths leaves a lot to be desired.

          • Corky

             /  June 8, 2018

            School C fail.

            • Gezza

               /  June 8, 2018

              Thank God for that. I thought I was alone there.

            • Gezza

               /  June 8, 2018

              (That’s why I always con Alan or someone else into digging up any stats I need.)

          • Kitty Catkin

             /  June 8, 2018

            I hope that you were joking about the good writing. Even the arithmetic was better.

            • Gezza

               /  June 8, 2018

              I enjoy Corky’s writing style. Maybe not always the content. But he conveys his ideas clearly when he wants to make a genuine point, and that’s the essence of good writing.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  June 8, 2018

              One needs a certain amount of clarity and literacy, surely, for it to be good writing, as well as a knowledge of basic punctuation.

            • Gezza

               /  June 8, 2018

              Getting your message across clearly is important and good grammar and punctuation help ensure that. But if you’re not writing an academic paper or a literary work or a book – the most important thing is engaging the reader’s attention and getting them to understand what you want to convey.

              Corks can do that perfectly well, even allowing for the odd incorrect word or typo.

              I can’t criticise anyone these days, given the Mangleish I sometimes notice with horror that I’ve just posted.

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  June 8, 2018

              If people use wrong words and write nonsense, then they are attracting attention for the wrong reasons. It’s as easy to write correctly as it is to write incorrectly, and poor literacy will never be good style.

              Bad writing is maddening to read, and poor logic and bad writing are a hideous combination.

            • Gezza

               /  June 8, 2018

              Probably depends on the writer, their purpose in writing, and the reader. I find the interchanges between you two riveting stuff. Fall about the place quite often actually.

  4. David

     /  June 8, 2018

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/06/07/baby-born-transgender-man-could-become-first-person-without/

    England is a total mess under May, probably the worst PM in a generation after being a useless home secretary with London now reaping the joy from her cutting police numbers, making sure the remaining coppers were culturally sensitive with 60 moped muggings a day in London and a murder rate higher than NY.
    Trump wont talk to her anymore with her school maam hectoring and finger wagging and the EU negotiators walking all over her and the Lords undermining her. Promoted as if she was Thatcher like but she is a weak vacillating woman who needs replacing urgently.

    • High Flying Duck

       /  June 8, 2018

      The gloss faded very quickly didn’t it? She looked like the strong decisive leader that was needed when she took over and has slid downhill fast since then.

      Much like Turnbull, her only saving grace is the opposition leader is an anti-semitic, communist fruit cake.

      • Blazer

         /  June 8, 2018

        you do have a penchant for Zionist,crony capitalist, nutbars….though.

        • High Flying Duck

           /  June 8, 2018

          Like who?

          • Blazer

             /  June 8, 2018

            Bibi.

            • High Flying Duck

               /  June 8, 2018

              I couldn’t care less for Bibi. He says some good things, but has a stink of corruption that seems to follow him. I’m not big on Israeli politics.
              Doesn’t mean I disagree with Israel defending itself.

            • Griff

               /  June 8, 2018

              Trump wont talk to her anymore?
              Mostly because she looks on him as a gibbering smegwit.
              And it shows.
              Same goes for many other world leaders.
              I doupt he will enjoy the G7 with a group of adults treating him like a annoying child.

              By the way I still have been able to think of a connection to the motherless child and the leader of the UK conservative party.
              Can you give the connection please?

            • Kitty Catkin

               /  June 8, 2018

              I can’t see one, either.