When the Greens supported the introduction of NZ First’s ‘waka jumping’ bill into parliament it raised eyebrows and angst. The Greens had until then always strongly opposed legislation like that.
When the Government announced they would not issue any new oil and gas exploration permits the body language of Shane Jones suggested a large degree of discomfort with having to support the decision.
The oil and gas decision turns out to have been made by Government party leaders only without going through Cabinet – see Party leaders made oil and gas decisions, not Cabinet.
Richard Harman at Politik that suggests the two dead rats may have been a tradeoff in Waka jumping and oil exploration
Did the Prime Minister get Winston Peters to support the petroleum exploration ban by locking in Greens support for the waka-jumping legislation?
That is a possible scenario suggested by the papers relating to the ban which were released under the Official Information Act on Tuesday.
The papers set out a timeline which eventually leads to both Peters and Shaw.
A detailed timeline covering March and April is shown, followed by some poindering, .
There is a chain of events here which strongly suggest that Ardern was having to play Peters and Shaw off against each other.
Peters clearly was not happy with the exploration ban.
So how was he persuaded to support it?
Did Ardern persuade Shaw to ignore the protestations of many in his party and support Peters’ waka jumping bill and was that enough to persuade Peters to forget his concerns about the exploration ban?
With a Government relying on two support parties with a sizeable number of MPs, and leverage, this may be a reality of MMP in action.
The oil and gas decision is a done deal – although the possible implications and negative effects of the decision are gradually emerging.
However the waka jumping bill is still going through the parliamentary process. A lot of pressure may go on the Green MPs to not support it through it’s final stages. However will Shaw insist on a dead rat deal being honoured despite party opposition?
Grimm
/ June 8, 2018Have I got a deal for you…
If you support our plan to sabotage the economy, we’ll support your plan to sabotage democracy.
Blazer
/ June 8, 2018howl,howl at the moon and keep howling …for at least another 2.5 …years.
Grimm
/ June 8, 2018*Howl, howl at the moon and keep howling, for at least another 2.5 years
It’s no wonder you can’t get a job.
Blazer
/ June 8, 2018on the job…right now…moonbeam.
traveller
/ June 8, 2018According to Hooton and a position I concur with in respect of the timing, this was nothing more than a cynical move from Ardern ( and her movers and shakers) to garner kudos after a series of disasters.
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https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12066447
Griff
/ June 8, 2018No one has banned new oil and gas exploration.
Existing permits to search for oil and gas are all still active.
If you think the last ten governments and the oil industry have not already opened up the most likely prospects I have a cheap harbor bridge you may wish to buy.
What they have done is stopped issuing new permit areas.
As offshore Tarnaki is already open to both exploration and exploitation the idea that any jobs in the region have been lost is equally as wrong.
Most comments on this subject are no more than scare story’s based on over active imaginations.
Grimm
/ June 8, 2018“No one has banned new oil and gas exploration”
Did you step through the wardrobe and arrive in Narnia this morning?
Gerrit
/ June 8, 2018Griff,
You are aware that even though that the EXPLORATION permits are not for EXPLOITATION?
So yes, existing EXPLORATION permits are still valid but who is going to EXPLORE when recovery is NOT permitted?
Griff
/ June 8, 2018Yet another over active imagination.
No need to shout it doesn’t make it more real of you type your fantasy’s in caps .
Feel free to link to a ban on extraction of any reserves found under existing permits.
No new permit areas will be opened. The goverment has not said they are banning recovery of anything found in the present open exploration permits.
Grimm
/ June 8, 2018As if we needed more evidence of your nonsense claim of being a “Liberal”
No openness, no consultation, processes outside the reach of the OIA, selective advice, dubious timing, cynical tradeoffs.
Is that how your “Liberal” deomcracy works?
Gerrit
/ June 8, 2018An exploitation (mining) permit is required
“Petroleum mining permits grant the holder rights to develop a discovered petroleum field to extract and produce petroleum. Activities allowed include extraction, separation, treatment and processing of petroleum.
These exclusive permits are granted subsequent to an exploration permit, and are granted based on the evaluation of an appraisal programme and work programme.
The size and duration of the permit is constrained to the extent of the discovery.”
https://www.nzpam.govt.nz/permits/petroleum/types/
Do you honest think that this government will grant a mining permit in already permitted EXPLORATION permitted area’s?
Naive to say the least.
At close to $400K per day for EXPLORATION cost, do you think anyone ids going to EXPLORE without a mining permit.
Worth a read
http://www.mfe.govt.nz/publications/marine/report-possible-government-interventions-promote-sustainable-development-new-8
And shouting got your attention, no?
Griff
/ June 8, 2018Again.
Please supply evidence of a ban on extraction under existing permits or a ban on issuing new exploitation permits in existing exploration permited areas.
Until then your fears are merely a function of your over active imagination.
Griff
/ June 8, 2018I see.
Rather than addressing your fantasy’s being pointed out you go on the attack.
Spending my days pointing out your issues with both reality and logic is fun for me but not so fun for others.
In respect of PG and his blog I am making an effort to ignore your rather dumb comments.
Grimm
/ June 8, 2018Thanks for your concern trolling, but maybe you could try being consistent?
Gerrit
/ June 8, 2018Sorry what fantasy? I said you need a exploitation (mining0 permit as a separate entity from an exploration permit. Have provided links to prove the case..
Fantasy? No reality!!
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David
/ June 8, 2018And watch for James Shaw being given a run at Wellington Central while Robertson goes list only. Dirty deals everywhere which is fine but lets be transparent
MDG
/ June 8, 2018There’s cynical, and then there is completely stupid.
At least he would get two votes. From his mum’s.
Blazer
/ June 8, 2018wonderful idea!
PartisanZ
/ June 8, 2018Odd to expect “transparency” about back-room deals peculiarly from the Labour-led government … Should the National/ACT opposition be transparent too …?
Transparency should be built into a ‘reformed’ democracy via a Constitution.
Trevors_elbow
/ June 8, 2018National Act is completely transparent….or are you blind.
When this rabble destroy the productive sector I complete support the next right if centre govt running Boks prescription of no running up of debt…. then we will have a nice clean out of all this welfare shit
I look forward to your and Boks goals of I dignation