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  1. Pickled Possum

     /  June 15, 2018

    The Sacred Plant
    “Learn all about governments and Big Pharma’s role in the creation and sustainment of the unjust laws that make it difficult, if not impossible, to access this life-saving treatment”.

    “There’s an enormous amount of misinformation which shows how successful the propaganda campaign has been. Back In the 1920s, there were 30 over-the-counter preparations that contained cannabis. Doctors wrote over 3 million prescriptions a year that contained cannabis. Our drug laws have an incredibly strong basis in greed and discrimination and demonization.”
    https://thesacredplant.com/

    Acute lymphoblastic leukemia (ALL)
    Cannabinoid resin extract is used as an effective treatment for ALL with a positive Philadelphia chromosome mutation and indications of dose-dependent disease control.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24474921

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  2. Patzcuaro

     /  June 15, 2018

    Looks like Clarke Gayford and Winston are going to have parenting in common.

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    • Kitty Catkin

       /  June 15, 2018

      Another Listener subscriber !

      There are a couple of stinkers in the ordinary crossword this week.

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      • Patzcuaro

         /  June 15, 2018

        No just came across the cartoon and thought it was topical

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  3. sorethumb

     /  June 15, 2018

    “We are pushing this because it is the right thing to do. It’s the only thing to do and Wellington should be leading. New Zealand needs to embrace our unique sense of identity and this is how we can support asserting that,” Lester said.

    His council was future-focused and part of a generation that saw the importance of te reo, he said.
    It is a public statement of our commitment to the language. An acknowledgement of the mana of Māori culture and values, of our joint history and of the whakapapa of our rohe.”

    Deputy Mayor Jill Day, who leads the Māori partnerships portfolio, said 94 per cent of policy submissions supported the move and this was a strong mandate from Wellingtonians.

    Many people said it could not come soon enough, she said.
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/wellington/104689962/te-tauihu-policy-first-step-towards-wellington-becoming-te-reo-mori-capital

    How does he/she know it’s the right thing to do: prove it?
    Identity is what we have; we dont need to be told (as though we were choosing a suit)?
    He is part of a generation (which?) that saw the importance of te reo (what?)
    Blib blib blah blah!!!!!.
    Robert Mugabe would be pleased with the 94% “mandate”
    The question is who are the key players behind this wider push and will central government stand uP?
    ……..
    Is it possible we become so diverse and factionalised we become ungovernable (in our normal sense)?
    I see Guyon Espiner’s defiant go it alone attitude on RNZ a symptom of decay.

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    • Gezza

       /  June 15, 2018

      He’s not going it alone. I’ve had RNZ on in the mornings a few times in the past few days & many presenters seem to be using Maori phrases at the start & end of their slot, eg to identify themselves.

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      • sorethumb

         /  June 15, 2018

        I didn’t really mean on his own, I meant the way he is pushing boundaries and saying things like: “you have to keep pushing the uglies”. Who is in control? Where is the mandate?

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    • PartisanZ

       /  June 15, 2018

      That’s a beaut sorethumb … You’ve left so many weak spots, gaps and openings it can almost be simply paraphrased … but regardless easily addressed and answered …

      “How does he/she know it’s the right thing to do: prove it?”

      ‘Right’ in this instance means the correct thing for a governance body to do. Hence “94 per cent of policy submissions supported the move”

      “Identity is what we have; we dont need to be told …”

      Except you were told. Everything all around you told you … Family, the landscape, the built environment, pre-school, school, society, the media, entertainment, sport, arts … Everything!

      Blah! Yeah, so, it contains the same spelling and comprehension errors found in any MSM article nowadays. Productivity and efficiency has largely removed the employment position ‘sub-editor’ from the News manufacturing process …

      “Robert Mugabe would be pleased with the 94% “mandate””

      ANY POLITICIAN would be pleased if not overjoyed with a 94% mandate!

      “The question is who are the key players behind this wider push and will central government stand uP?”

      Translation: Righties (& Whitey) be afraid because this must be a Leftie (&/or Immigrant – read ‘Muslim’) ‘Long March’ conspiracy theory adjunct.

      “Is it possible we become so diverse and factionalised we become ungovernable (in our normal sense)?” (You saved the best for last!)

      We’re already ungovernable in our ‘normal’ sense …. because ‘normal’ is normally unconscienable governance …

      Nice kick off to Friday night comedy …

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      • Gezza

         /  June 15, 2018

        We’re already ungovernable in our ‘normal’ sense …. because ‘normal’ is normally unconscienable governance …
        WTF?

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      • PartisanZ

         /  June 15, 2018

        I could’ve said: … because ‘normal’ government (or governance) is normally unconscienable …

        Also: productivity and efficiency has largely removed the employment position ‘competent reporter’ from the News manufacturing process as well … hence English proficiency …

        But what the heck … We’re here manufacturing our own ‘news’ and opinion!!!

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        • Gezza

           /  June 15, 2018

          unconscionable
          adjective
          not right or reasonable.
          “the unconscionable conduct of his son”

          synonyms: unethical, amoral, immoral, unprincipled, indefensible, wrong; unscrupulous, unfair, underhand, dishonourable, dishonest, corrupt, depraved; informal: shady
          “the unconscionable use of humans as test animals”

          unreasonably excessive.
          “shareholders have had to wait an unconscionable time for the facts to be established”
          synonyms:excessive, unwarranted, uncalled for, unreasonable, unfair, inordinate, disproportionate, immoderate, extreme, undue, outrageous, preposterous, monstrous, inexcusable, unnecessary, needless; informal: over the top, OTT
          “we have had to wait an unconscionable time”

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        • Gezza

           /  June 15, 2018

          She’s a hard road designing the perfect system of democracy, boy. I guess the closest I can think of would be Switzerland.

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  4. lurcher1948

     /  June 15, 2018

    Halemaumau crater is a mess these days…
    [video src="https://volcanoes.usgs.gov/vsc/movies/movie_173991/multimediaFile-2244.mp4" /]

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  5. Filched from @dpfdpf Kiwiblog

    What Peters may regret is that presumably MSD in its defence will include details about the over-payments such as whether the form Peters signed stated he was single and whether or not he got annual letters asking him to confirm the (incorrect) single status. It may be that it was all a typo error caused by an MSD staffer, and Peters is blameless. But we don’t know as he won’t do a privacy release. However by suing the MSD CE, they presumably are entitled to use that information in their defence.

    I can’t wait for this to happen. I’ve long held the opinion that the sheer quantity of both the overpayments and the annual letters were simply too plentiful not to notice. I don’t hold that he “didn’t notice overpayments” or that he didn’t know the difference between single v partnered pension or never received a single letter.

    HIs past shows us that Peters is very much about the pecuniary and I’d also take a punt and say it’s just as important as any principle he holds.

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  6. lurcher1948

     /  June 15, 2018

    You have to smile, the whiteboard reminder on a nearby rightwing blog pointed out to the blog host that Winston Peters is taking over as acting PM so now the blog is attacking him full time and never mentions Jacinda now, truly earning his retainer from National

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  7. sorethumb

     /  June 15, 2018

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    • PartisanZ

       /  June 15, 2018

      Snap! Left and Right dovetail on some issues …

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      • PartisanZ

         /  June 15, 2018

        Top shelf Ted Talk that … for we masses …

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        • Gezza

           /  June 15, 2018

          Makes points that are particularly relevant for Americans because their system of government is well & truly corrupted by big money special interest groups from the very point of candidate nomination up. With gerrymandered electiorates to help keep it corrupt. Similar issues arise here in some ways but they don’t have a proportional representation system that can see the whole political & governance landscape change overnight.

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    • PartisanZ

       /  June 15, 2018

      Here’s another one ……… Excellent!

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      • PartisanZ

         /  June 15, 2018

        “Persuasion Architectures” ….. Love it!

        “Been thinkin’ ’bout … Persuasion … Persuasion …
        Even if …. even if …. you don’t own me anymore …” – Eagles, paraphrased.

        Ode to Neoliberalism

        I don’t look much like me any more
        All these cameras never do me Justice

        I don’t think much like me any longer either
        Or feel much like myself much … Now …

        Just buy online instead
        Existing otherwise becomes Subversive …

        Oh reimagine Aotearoa New Zealand
        Reinvent … Recreate … Renew
        and Grow Your Own
        While there’s still a law against it.

        Yours Sincerely … A camp with only one follower

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        • PartisanZ

           /  June 15, 2018

          Actually … correction … She’s not “Excellent” …

          She is F&%#*N BRILLIANT!!!

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          • Gezza

             /  June 15, 2018

            What was her suggestion for how?

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            • PartisanZ

               /  June 16, 2018

              No-one can simply bring something to our attention, can they?

              Everyone must have the answer, mustn’t they Gezza … ?

              Like you do …. ?

            • Gezza

               /  June 16, 2018

              Of course people can bring things to anyone’s attention. The world is full of people bringing things to our attention. Often we already know what they’re bringing to our attention.

              Her presentation was actually fascinating because although I knew some of that, she outlines the extent of the manipulation of ads and information content being calculated & served up already by social media platforms like Facebook, and YouTube, and by google generally.

              But then she sort of trails off and says we need to do something about it (from memory).

              I’ve certainly noticed Facebook serving me up content that doesn’t interest me but does I know interest the small number of Facebook friends I have and that’s a very good illustration of her point about how extensive the AI operating behind these platforms already is.

              I can’t stand Facebook. I rarely use it. My newsfeed is always chock full of stuff I don’t want to see – it buries the very small number of family pics and videos I do actually want to see. I can’t shut it off.

              Lately it’s started serving me up hundreds of “friend suggestions” of people I don’t know from Adam and don’t want to see. And I’ve discovered after checking preferences & googling that I can’t shut that off either.

              It’s a monstrosity. But everyone’s still using it. It’s out of control. Zuckerberg’s only fiddling at the margins cos he got caught out.

  8. sorethumb

     /  June 15, 2018

    Maori – “We are a colonised people”

    Beyond the Flynn effect: new myths about race, family and IQ?
    He tells me of research showing that “when American troops occupied Germany at the end of the second world war, black soldiers left behind half-black children and white soldiers left behind all-white. By 11, the two groups had identical average IQs. In Germany, there was no black subculture.”
    https://www.theguardian.com/education/2016/sep/27/james-flynn-race-iq-myths-does-your-family-make-you-smarter

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  9. lurcher1948

     /  June 15, 2018

    Sue them Winston, and take Paula(zip it sweetie)to the cleaners,CLEAN HER OUT,shes QUICK to release peoples details for gain or punishment, a nasty national MP

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    • Corky

       /  June 15, 2018

      What information has she previously released, Lurchy?

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      • Pickled Possum

         /  June 15, 2018

        Two beneficiaries personal details … to the msm.

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        • Corky

           /  June 15, 2018

          That’s right. After the dead beats bleated in the media thinking Bennett couldn’t/wouldn’t reply publicly. Most of the information supplied was available on the WINZ website. And that information showed those prats earn’t more then many low paid workers working an honest 4O hours per week.

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          • Pickled Possum

             /  June 15, 2018

            So Corky that’s how you see two women educating their way out of a benefit.
            Their weekly ‘wage’ would not have been on the website, only examples.

            What the two women spoke about was the TIA, Bennett cancel while she was Minister of Social Development.
            Human rights found PB guilty of breaching privacy
            PB said in a letter to the Judge;
            “I was wrong to do so and that this resulted in a breach of Ms Fuller’s privacy.”
            Green Party co-leader Metiria Turei said Ms Bennett should give an assurance it would not happen again .HA HA HA HA

            More gossipping from Sweety;

            “National Party delegates took in a deep breath this morning when social welfare minister Paula Bennett told them about a West Coast couple who had had been living on an invalids benefit for 15 years and were on $1700 a week.”

            Said Bennett “What gets me most about this story is that in the 15 years they have been on the benefit – the husband has a very bad back – they had 10 children.”

            So if you can have sex then you can work and stop being a bludger, Paula?

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            • Gezza

               /  June 15, 2018

              Do you think they realise you can have sex & not have 10 children?

            • PDB

               /  June 15, 2018

              Don’t be silly Gezza – where’s the taxpayer money in that?

            • Corky

               /  June 15, 2018

              ”Green Party co-leader Metiria Turei said Ms Bennett should give an assurance it would not happen again .HA HA HA HA.”

              I will let you off for having a sense of humour.

    • You don’t know that, it’s defamatory to suggest this

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  10. Gezza

     /  June 15, 2018

    Featured on 1ewes at 6 tonight. Bridges has written to the PM offering Bipartisan support to the government on climate change. James Shaw very appreciative.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/104743900/simon-bridges-offers-government-bipartisan-support-on-climate-change

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    • PartisanZ

       /  June 15, 2018

      I’m so suspicious of them …

      I mean, why Climate Change?

      For most National supporters I gather Climate Change is still in the “unfounded accusation” phase of development? In ‘RightSpeak’ it’s so easily contested …

      If they wanna buy cred and kudos, why not bipartisan support for Housing, Health or Education …?

      It doesn’t make sense!

      Ohhhh, there you go …. I’ve explained it.

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      • Gezza

         /  June 15, 2018

        Targetting the blue/greens? Polling showing support for Climate Change action by more voters than not? Who knows. It’ll make sense though. This is obviously not just some whim.

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      • Corky

         /  June 15, 2018

        Precisely why Bridges has to go. He should screaming ” manmade climate change is bullshit.”..not trying to claim browny points being false and wanting a bipartisan agreement.

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        • Gezza

           /  June 15, 2018

          Well, that would be silly since the odds are that it probably isn’t.

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          • Corky

             /  June 15, 2018

            I won’t argue. Time will be the ultimate arbitrator of this contested science, heresy or con?

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        • PartisanZ

           /  June 15, 2018

          Hey, great thinking there Corky …

          Bridges could also scream, “Man-made Real Estate bubbles and Housing Crises are bullshit. Man-made Health and Education failings are bullshit” ….

          I’m with Gezza … Might even be a prelude to the launch of a Blue-Green Party?

          Bridges claimed in ‘News’ yesterday that the Greens are ‘Watermelons’ … Green on the outside and Red on the inside …

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          • Corky

             /  June 15, 2018

            ”Hey great thinking there Corky …”

            Thankyou.

            ”Bridges could also scream, “Man-made Real Estate bubbles and Housing Crises are bullshit. Man-made Health and Education failings are bullshit”

            No he couldn’t. Man created those problems and science ..nay..common sense can prove it.

            ”Bridges claimed in ‘News’ yesterday that the Greens are ‘Watermelons’ … Green on the outside and Red on the inside …”

            I think he mean’t…Green on the outside, blue on the inside,.

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            • PartisanZ

               /  June 15, 2018

              No … He meant the current Green Party, part of the Labour-led coalition government, are ‘Watermelons’ … Green … Skin … Red … Flesh …

            • Corky

               /  June 15, 2018

              Oh, yes. A hybrid seed.

            • PartisanZ

               /  June 15, 2018

              Yeah … GMO … I laughed …

              Music and comedy are the universal languages eh, what?

            • PartisanZ

               /  June 15, 2018

              … Or NOT … as the case may be ….?

            • Corky

               /  June 15, 2018

              Tell me who wins the argument with yourself…. tomorrow.

            • PartisanZ

               /  June 16, 2018

              It’s not an argument Corky ….

              I reached out to you … and what do I get ….?

              Well, sorry … I reached down to you …

  11. Corky

     /  June 15, 2018

    Damn, that Nikki Haley is one bad sheila. Just watching the video posted on Whaleoil of her ‘taking it’ to Jew haters at the UN. Nice try., but my guess is she’s flogging a dead horse. The UN hates Israel..

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  12. PartisanZ

     /  June 15, 2018

    Early contention dogs the PGF project nearest where I live –

    “Hokianga residents are concerned the small towns of Opononi and Omapere won’t cope with an influx of visitors flocking to see the Manea Footprints of Kupe cultural and education centre.”

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/northland/104621948/hokianga-residents-concerned-about-visitor-influx

    “Locals had no idea resource consent had gone through,” Dellaca said. “In a small community like this to contemplate the impact of such a huge influx of visitors, without consulting the local community is very disappointing and insulting.”

    Mayor John Carter said the trust, supported by Far North Holdings, the council’s commercial arm, applied for funding and are grateful to have been supported. “These applications are judged on their merits and are dealt with in confidence by the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment,” Carter said. “The trust is aware of speculation and some misinformation about aspects of the proposal.

    “To clarify these issues, the trust and Far North Holdings will hold a series of public meetings, beginning in July to ensure that the community is kept informed about the project and its progress.”

    Allow me to translate –

    – FNHL, “council’s commercial arm”, is essentially (or ‘commercially’) Council themselves, who also happen to be the Local ‘democratically elected’ governance body …

    – Resource consent, normally notifiable, was granted in secret.

    – The public and local community found out about this massive project through inherently non-detailed Provincial Growth Fund and Council media releases (plus, possibly, impartial reporting if we’re extremely lucky)

    – This results in community discussion. (Well I never!) Some dissent and contention over several issues arises and requests for clarification and consultation are lodged.

    – These are labeled “speculation and misinformation”

    – The Council deems that clarification of these issues can only be obtained by personally attending public meetings … not via the media where the project was originally announced.

    – Council further adds a strong indication that these public meetings will essentially change nothing, and are really being staged to keep the public “informed about the project and its progress”

    It will be interesting to see how this project develops. I believe the issues pertain especially to questions about how tourism initiatives, logically including visitor numbers, impact upon the natural, man-made (ie infrastructure), social and cultural environments … in addition to their economic impact.

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    • PartisanZ

       /  June 16, 2018

      Do those who hate the RMA when it comes to their own buildings and ‘developments’ hypocritically accept and even like the RMA when consenting by-passes and or short-circuits public consultation and submission processes for the sake of ‘economic growth’ alone … ?

      Would you allow this to happen ’round where you live?

      This is a Trust that’s been ‘tied up’ with Far North Holdings for a long long time, being granted Resource Consent by MBIE (why not MfEnvironment?) who surely have strong links to FNHL ‘governance arm’, Far North District Council …?

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