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16 June 2018

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  1. lurcher1948

     /  June 16, 2018

    Drone flight over the collapse of Halimaumau crater

    • lurcher1948

       /  June 16, 2018

      Gezza this was it

      • Gezza

         /  June 16, 2018

        Pretty awesome that. I grew up in the shadow of a volcano. Mt Taranaki – or the Egmont Volcano as it’s known to volcanologists. I think it’s the most beautiful volcano in the country. Awesome to fly over too – if you can see it.

        But when I looked up its geologic history it’s a pretty damn scary mountain. It’s a cinder cone so it looks substantial but it’s not. And it’s unusual among the world’s volcanoes because it’s blown itself to bits – like Mt St Helens – and rebuilt itself 5 times, from memory. It’s eruptive history suggests it’s overdue for an eruption. And given that both Ruapehu and Tongariro – both well-monitored volcanos have had eruptions which were completely unexpected I’m wondering whether & when Taranaki will pop its top next.

  2. lurcher1948

     /  June 16, 2018

    Duncan Garner puts the boot in and also allows” crusher” to accuse Phil T of groping her(i cannot get the horrible thought out of my head)
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/104757447/duncan-garner-mum-the-misfit-kids-need-you-back-in-a-hurry

  3. Blazer

     /  June 16, 2018

    ‘Garnering’ attention,with 1/2 the page taken up with him smiling in his..pink shirt and waxed hair.

  4. lurcher1948

     /  June 16, 2018

    David Seymour the one man band,ACT party, says cruise liners and tourists will go elsewhere because of a $35 tax to improve facilities, stick to twerking you right wing fool
    http://spyimg.nzherald.co.nz/media/77322/david.jpg?mode=crop&width=675&height=379&quality=80&scale=both
    Seymour talking out of his bum,a new future after parliament,

  5. lurcher1948

     /  June 16, 2018

    Maybe some stupid rightwinger can tell why we need to open new coal mines why closing working coal mines,when its the same coal

  6. lurcher1948

     /  June 16, 2018

    GO THE BLACKS

  7. lurcher1948

     /  June 16, 2018

    PLE

  8. lurcher1948

     /  June 16, 2018

    DEEP PURPLE, what could go wrong

  9. Corky

     /  June 16, 2018

    More weird stuff from NASA. New Rover vehicle to explore polar caps on the moon cancelled….after ten years of development. Maybe this vehicle was never meant to go to the moon?

    Quote:

    ”Scientists working on the mission expressed astonishment at the decision ”

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-5667463/Scientists-shocked-NASA-cuts-moon-rover.html

    • Gezza

       /  June 16, 2018

      Yeah I think it was. Looks like money problems. Trumpy might fix it.

      • Corky

         /  June 17, 2018

        ” Looks like money problems.”

        There’s more to this than funding. It doesn’t make sense. Especially given Trumps directive, and the chance of extended funding.

        NASA has a history of these weird decisions.and the doctoring of photos with UFOs in them.

        • Gezza

           /  June 17, 2018

          What’s your theory?

          • Corky

             /  June 17, 2018

            That NASA has proof of extraterrestrial life, or proof that the Universes is not as scientists out of loop believe and lay people accept as fact.

            That NASA is in cahoots with the highest level of government and for some reason(s) is hamstrung in some ways as to what they can, and cannot do in space.

            It’s nearly 50 years since we were last on the moon. What’s happened?

            Nixon and the Huston Plan may have been the beginning of this problem

            • Gezza

               /  June 17, 2018

              I think it’s unlikely those theories are true but I can see how they might excite a fringe element. There are certainly some unexplained events & objects observed in orbit, even by astronauts but definite proof of what you’re suggesting would be impossible to keep a lid on.

              Look at the speculation about Area 51. They were building & testing the SR71. No wonder they had to keep that quiet. It was regularly roaring over the USSR for years & they had nothing that could touch it.

            • Gezza

               /  June 17, 2018

              It’s nearly 50 years since we were last on the moon. What’s happened?

              Budget – the Apollo programme cost a fortune. There wasn’t any point in spending that money sending any more astronauts to the moon (the risks to the astronauts of that program were enormous: how they got away with no fatalities still surprises me). They’d beaten the Russians to it & that was actually the key driver.

              They’d found out enuf to figure out where it came from. The improvements in imaging and radar & other observing techniques meant there was no value to be gained from further manned trips without sufficient benefit to cost ratio.

              Obviously thought it better to spend all their money enriching corporates & financiers & increasing the range & scope of their military so they could threaten & attack smaller countries that bothered them. They still are doing that.

            • Yes, extremely high costs, very high risks, and no realistic chance of revenue.

            • Corky

               /  June 17, 2018

              I have no doubt funding has, and is , an issue. But the money spent on the Space Station and Hubble telescope was huge. If that money had gone into a moon base the ultimate costs would have been much cheaper and provided a much better platform for observations.

              Quote:

              ”Asking the International Space Station to justify its existence is a tall order. NASA estimates the station has cost U.S. taxpayers $50 billion since 1994 — and overall, its price tag has been pegged at $100 billion by all member nations.”

              Quote:

              ”The world’s first space telescope was then launched on April 24, 1990. The effort cost $1.5 billion, but there would be ongoing costs — both expected and unexpected.”

              These costs are probably less than creating a moon base. But in my opinion we are talking false economy.

              President Trump wants us back in space. Obviously he must be prepared to fund it. NASA obviously disagrees by chucking millions of dollars
              and man hours down the gurgler in spite of what the president said.

            • Gezza

               /  June 17, 2018

              I’m not sure he’s actually got the money, Corks. He probably hasn’t. Not with what he’s spending on the military, the cut in tax take, & now with all the extra expenses Americans will face buying anything imported or locally made.

              Their own steel & aluminium manufacturers, being capitalists & thus keen on exploiting the opportunity he’s given them, are already ramping up their prices, for example, because they can do that now, as imports cost 25 -30% more. Beer manufacturers have to raise the price of their products because so much is sold in aluminium cans. Niche beer marketers are worried.

              This is why Trumpy’s so often touted economic & jobs boom has to be evaluated over the long-term. He’s started trade wars with everyone. They’re implementing retaliatory tariffs. So now US citizens, workers, msnufacturers, & farmers, have to wait & see what that costs them.

              I don’t buy American-manufactured products because they’re usually too expensive & there are cheaper products that are just as good & sometimes better.

    • Gezza

       /  June 17, 2018

      These costs are probably less than creating a moon base. But in my opinion we are talking false economy.

      Two points.

      1. The costs are sure to be less than creating a moon base. How is this false economy? What were they going to be getting from a moon base, or a moon-based space telescope, which I imagine would have far more limitations on what it could observe, & servicing or upgrading it would be a lot more expensive if it required safe manned landings.

      2. Some previous US administrations were just more prepared to spend more on the search for knowledge & discoveries than others, without necessarily expecting commercial returns from all their efforts.

      We still actually know stuff all about Mercury, Venus & the outer planets. If Trump had been running the show we’d probably know next to nothing.

      I’m interested to see whether private interests are going to try for a lunar base & mars mission but they’re nowhere near doing that yet. They’re too busy with figuring out how to make low earth orbit satellite deliveries and orbital tourism pay returns on their investments.

  10. Gezza

     /  June 16, 2018

    Game’s just starting on Prime. If Wilkinson turns up can someone else keep him under control please.