Ardern on conversations and journeys and one term Government

Some interesting comments from Jacinda Ardern in the weekend on what is necessary to avoid being a one term Government – but talking about having a conversation and bringing people on a journey probably things that aren’t going to resonate with a lot of voters.

Newshub: Jacinda Ardern mulls how to avoid being a one-term PM

On the Government on prisons and crime:

Though the Labour-NZ First coalition (with support from the Greens) has kept its nose ahead in the polls, the public doesn’t appear to be so keen on the Government’s plan to reduce the prison population. A poll earlier this month found two-thirds of voters back the three-strikes law, including a majority of NZ First and Labour voters.

Ms Ardern acknowledged the Government may be getting ahead of public opinion on this issue.

“The biggest obstacle we have at the moment is making sure that we bring the New Zealand public with us. You know, this is a conversation we need to have together.

How about having a conversation on how to go with the public rather than trying to bring them with you?

And she wants the public on-side with any changes the Government does implement.

“If you end up being a one-term Government as a consequence of changes you’ve made, you probably haven’t brought people on that journey, and the pitch that we’re making, the conversation we need to have, is to – with New Zealand, is when we have a static crime rate – one actually that we want to bring down – but when we have a static crime rate but an ever increasing prison population, is that the kind of country we want to be?”

I think that people are looking more for leadership than having ‘conversations’ (listening to Ardern prattling), and they want the Government to do what they want rather than getting the people to tottle along on some sort of journey with a conversing PM.

Ardern started off with promise of engaging on a new level, but the longer she has been PM the more she seems to have drifted towards beltway babble and political palaver.

Ardern was thrown in the political deep end and will have had to get help from the political class (politicians and state servants), but is sounding more of a remote insider.

If she really wants conversations she should learn to speak our language.

 

21 Comments

  1. Kitty Catkin

     /  June 19, 2018

    Silly me, I’ve always thought that a conversation involved more than one person talking.

    • PDB

       /  June 19, 2018

      Fits the way Ardern speaks…

      *Absolutely – meaning: not at all.
      *Open and transparent govt – meaning: not open and transparent govt.
      *Have a conversation – meaning: we will tell you what’s what & you’ll eventually come around to our way of thinking (re: Oil and gas).

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  June 19, 2018

        A.I absolutely hear what you’e saying, Pants. I’m taking it all on board, absolutely.

        B.I want this government to be completely and absolutely open and transparent.

        C. We will have conversations on this and absolutely bring you along with us. Absolutely, yes.

        Translation

        A. I hear it but I know best so I won’t ltake any notice and will do what I was going to do anyway.

        B. Our decisions will be open and transparent once we’ve made them. Or perhaps not. It will depend upon…oh, lots of things. Yes. Absolutely. .

        C. Our conversation = your conversion to our way of thinking.

    • Kevin

       /  June 19, 2018

      What’s wrong with just saying have a talk?

      • Gezza

         /  June 19, 2018

        Not aspirational enuf.

      • Kitty Catkin

         /  June 20, 2018

        Ask Ms Ardern….conversation must sound better, but either one is meaningless here. Talk would be more accurate; Labour would doall the talking.

  2. Alan Wilkinson

     /  June 19, 2018

    She will soon enough find that doesn’t wash with investors of any kind or colour. Pretty much as soon as her tax working group reports how sad it is that property investors don’t face the same effective 55% tax rate on after inflation profit that other NZ savers and investors do. What a bunch of dorks.

  3. Blazer

     /  June 19, 2018

    fuck property ‘investors’=parasites…squash them.

    • Gezza

       /  June 19, 2018

      Item one on 1ewes tonight was that the government has announced it will allow overseas investors (or some overseas investors) to buy apartments as long as they rent them to kiwis. Or something along those lines. Somehow connected to “pre-existing trade agreements” before the CCTPP comes into force

    • Grimm

       /  June 19, 2018

      You need to catch up with latest kool aid flavour.

      Today, they’re ok, especially those foreign ones investing in Auckland.

      And we love the Singaporean ones, they’re top blokes.

      Catch up Blaze.

      • Blazer

         /  June 20, 2018

        Apartments are fine,new builds all for it.
        Gobbling up existing …not so much.

    • Alan Wilkinson

       /  June 20, 2018

      Moron. How do you think houses get built?

      • Blazer

         /  June 20, 2018

        According to you landlords build them,and the only thing that affects property inflation is the…RMA.

        • Alan Wilkinson

           /  June 20, 2018

          And the building regulations. As my architect friend noted, in Switzerland they are a six page booklet – here, a shelf-full constantly changing.

          • Blazer

             /  June 20, 2018

            and in Switzerland…
            ‘Third-country nationals
            You do not require a permit to buy a main residence (e.g. single-family house or owner-occupied flat) or building land where you live if you meet the following requirements:

            You hold a valid residence permit, generally a B permit for foreign nationals.
            You will live in that main residence for as long as you hold residence in that location.
            If you wish to build on the land that you have purchased, you must do so within one year.
            You will require a permit in order to purchase the following types of apartment:

            Holiday apartment
            Housing unit in an apparthotel (hotel with flats)
            Second home

  4. Grimm

     /  June 19, 2018

    Let’s be very clear…

    This woman is the accidental prime minister and she’s not going to last.

    She thinks she has to have some grand vision that no one else can quite see yet. What she really needs is to understand who she is (she doesn’t), what her real values are (they’re a moving target), honesty about what she brings to it, and bloody hard work (that ain’t gonna happen).

    She’s disconnected from us, because she IS disconnected. She hasn’t transitioned from the student politicians/play socialist, to a pragmatic leader from the left that deals with the real world. She’s years away from it.

    What other female politician, let alone PM, would let Peter’s treat her like he is?

    • David

       /  June 19, 2018

      “What other female politician, let alone PM, would let Peter’s treat her like he is?”

      Justin Trudeau?

  5. David

     /  June 20, 2018

    What plan,what conversations..she has done nothing but appoint working groups. She has an idealistic and unrealistic vision of what she wants but no clue on how to get there or the work ethic and grit to achieve it.

    • Blazer

       /  June 20, 2018

      What tosh.
      Why do we have to sell the whole of NZ to foreigners?
      That’s National and their ‘open economy’…asset strip the public of NZ.
      Board appointments for compliant ministers after they retire from politics.

      Working groups are democracy /consensus in action.